With Chidori, it's different as you can clearly see what kind of jutsu it is. (Lightning chakra stored in the hand). Also, it has been stated in the manga that Sasuke can use Chidori and he learnt it from Kakashi. But with Tsukyomi, we have not had any real confirmation that he can do it. I've not seen a single link which says he can use Tsukyomi. If we had just one link, then I can agree that there is no need for him to say it, but as of now there hasn't been one.
[Spoilers] Chapter 585 Tsukiyomi
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LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!
In that panel it was them saying it together!
Notice the "Genjutsu sharingan!!!"
Then next panel they say "tsukuyomi".
No thought or word bubbles.
But regardless if its 'World of the Gasping Moon' or not ITs still that PArticular eyes MAngekyo Jutsu!
In the databook It is said that you need Tsukuyomi and Ameratsu to use susanoo. Soooooo What do you say about that?
In that panel it was them saying it together!
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Notice the "Genjutsu sharingan!!!"
Then next panel they say "tsukuyomi".
No thought or word bubbles.
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But regardless if its 'World of the Gasping Moon' or not ITs still that PArticular eyes MAngekyo Jutsu!
In the databook It is said that you need Tsukuyomi and Ameratsu to use susanoo. Soooooo What do you say about that?
But why say "Genjutsu Sharingan Tsukyomi", rather than just "Tsukyomi"? We all know what Tsukyomi is and in this link:
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They only say "Amaterasu", not "Sharingan Amaterasu". Also, notice how it is only written once and yet it's still clear that it refers to both of them. Why not do the same thing with "Tsukyomi"? I still think it's just Sasuke saying "Genjutsu Sharingan", and Itachi saying "Tsukyomi".
As for the databook: admitedly, I've never read them so I can only use what Vegeta said earlier in this thread:
But I do not know if this is actually true having not read the databook myself.
iknowwhotobiis
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but those panels are set up in a different way and size. It is not like kishi has a fixed way of drawing naruto (the manga). In the scenario you provided, there was more space to enlarge the word amaterasu and put it in the middle without interfering the panels. I could be wrong but that´s how I read/saw it.
I agree that Kishi doesn't have a fixed way of drawing (at least I think he doesn't anyway). But surely Kishi could have just set the panels in the same way as before and then just write one "Tsukyomi" for both of them. Or write "Tsukyomi" in both panels.
iknowwhotobiis
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ok I just read the databook 3 and it says (in my own words) only those who can control both jutsus (amaterasu + tsukiyomi) can use susanoo. My databook is not in english so i cannot give you the official english translation.
The databook also says that Susano'o holds The Sword of Totsuka and The Mirror of Yata
I don't see Sasuke having those. Do you?
That databook was written when only Itachi had Susano'o. I guess Kishimoto had different plans for Sasuke so it's most likely that the requirements for awakening Susano'o will be different as well.
I can't believe this thread. Some people need to learn how to read and use their memory as well. Sasuke used Tsukuyomi on Bee and Danzo already.
Here is Tobi stating that Sasuke indeed does have Tsukuyomi and compares Sasuke's to Itachi's.
Sasuke only uses Tsukuyomi with his right eye which is the opposite of Itachi just like his Amateratsu. Why would he use a "genjutsu" with only his right eye? What sense does that make?
This is when he awoken Tsukuyomi and felt the affect from using it.
This is when he awoken Amateratsu which is his second ability.
Here is Tobi stating that Sasuke indeed does have Tsukuyomi and compares Sasuke's to Itachi's.
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Sasuke only uses Tsukuyomi with his right eye which is the opposite of Itachi just like his Amateratsu. Why would he use a "genjutsu" with only his right eye? What sense does that make?
This is when he awoken Tsukuyomi and felt the affect from using it.
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This is when he awoken Amateratsu which is his second ability.
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iknowwhotobiis
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the first part is true but does not necessarly prove that you need tsukiyomi + amaterasu = susanoo.
because sasuke called susanoo the third power. So what is the second one?! I strongly dont think it is blaze release because that is a KG (most likely).
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iknowwhotobiis
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I am agreeing with you. However, he pointed it out that the databook says that susanoo has the yata+totsuka and that is not true. And that was my response to him.
That is because at the time of that Data Book only Itachi had Susanoo. But it does indeed tell you how to gain Susanoo and it claims you have to have both Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi. Itachi in recent chapters was shocked that Sasuke could even use Susanoo. I think that tells you how rare it is. If it just required two MS techniques then Susanoo cant be that rare but according to Tobi, he states that eyes that can use even Susanoo is a rarity. Which probably explains why Itachi was shocked that Sasuke had it.
the killer bee fight is clearly tsukuyomi. the color of pages is the color things turn when itachi uses it. this fight does not seem like that tech or itachi's panel would of been the same color as in the bee fight or when itachi uses it. keep in mind it's no where near itachi's mastery of it. sasuke has not has his eyes for long and he learns as fights. genjustu is not sasuke's strong suit but it's a natural ability clan wise. itachi was trained in the ways of a uchiha longer than sasuke was. sasuke has kakashi's and orochimarus fighting style (taijustu/rigged traps or jutsus). maybe later on down the line he will be a better genjustu user but it's not his style of fighting.
GodaimeRaikage
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You're joking with this nonsense, right?
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And just in case you think the eye technique Danzo used wasn't Kotoamatsukami , listen to what Itachi said about the technique and what AO said about it.
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So Itachi had one of Shisui eyes with Kotoamatsukami, and Danzo had the other eye with Kotoamatsukami.If we can count, that's two eyes with the same technique, destroying the one technique per eyes nonsense and going further to prove that Blaze Release, like Kotoamatsukami isn't one of the three powers granted by awakening MS, but a power of Sasuke own creation using his MS.
Kotoamatsukami is the ultimate genjutsu granted by Shisui Uchiha's Mangekyō Sharingan. The technique itself allows the user to enter the opponent's mind and manipulate them by giving them false experiences~
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6PathsofKami
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Re: Sasuke doesn't have Tsukiyomi
Spot on, this is exactly what I was thinking.
That isnt a separate power, its just manipulating amaterasu flames, its basicly amaterasu.
DonUchiha671
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Re: Sasuke doesn't have Tsukiyomi
I agree, tired of people getting simple things mixed up. He has tsukyomi, idk why it said "Genjustu Sharigan" but he does have up
