[Spoilers] Chapter 585 Tsukiyomi
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Re: Sasuke doesn't have Tsukiyomi
sasuke does have tsuku cuz he has itachi`s eyes too (with their power)
the thing is that he has not mastered tsuku on itachi`s level
so he prefers to use ordinary genjutsu
IMO
and both amaterasu and enton kagutsuchi belong to blaze release.
sasuke does have tsuku cuz he has itachi`s eyes too (with their power)
the thing is that he has not mastered tsuku on itachi`s level
so he prefers to use ordinary genjutsu
IMO
and both amaterasu and enton kagutsuchi belong to blaze release.
Re: Sasuke doesn't have Tsukiyomi
Not all MS users awaken the same jutsu. Shisui is proof of that. It matters not if it takes a lot of chakra considering Sasuke has been spamming MS jutsu all of which take a considerable amount of chakra nonstop since he acquired EMS.
Re: Sasuke doesn't have Tsukiyomi
If Sasuke has Tsukyomi, then why does it say "Genjutsu - Sharingan" on Sasuke's panel, rather than "Tsukyomi"? Surely if Sasuke had it, it would say "Tsukyomi", just like the panel for Itachi does.
Re: Sasuke doesn't have Tsukiyomi
sasuke has itachi's eyes and his ocular powers though? so i am sure he has that advanced genjustsu. sasuke is not a heavy user though, and this is his first fight using itachi's eyes. i am sure we will see it later on. since he as itachi's eye techs plus his own.
GodaimeRaikage
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Re: Sasuke doesn't have Tsukiyomi
Blaze release isn't one of the three technique giving to you by ms.Sasuke is just manipulating Amaterasu flames.First MS technique was and still is Tsukiyomi.When Sasuke cast his genjutsu on Danzo he had both MS eyes activated.So until someone can name that genjutsu Sasuke was using with his MS eye, then it was Tsukiyomi.
NarutoVsGoku
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Re: Sasuke doesn't have Tsukiyomi
Evident is the ms being activated for all 3 scenarios, than the other person is in a black n white background.
If you continue reading those pages during sasuke fighting bee n danzo u will see he is using tsukiyomi.
And sasuke doesnt say genjutsu sharingan. Both itachi and sasuke are saying it simutanesly.. Tsukiyomi is a genjutsu of the sharingan. But anyways how can sasuke use a regular sharingan genjutsu when his ms is activated. The chapter is showing the teamwork of both sasuke n itachi and they are both using the same jutus at the same time like amaterasu sasunoo n yes tsukiyomi.
You think sasuke would cancel the genjutsu on itachi with a regular genjutsu? Are u fools? Like i said befire you guys fail. This thread shouldnt be discussed nor disputed or should have gone to the 2nd page. Im amazed at the amount of noobs on this site.
Its clearly evident that sasuke used tsukiyomi multiple times in the past and ya are discussing it. Idiots..
Like i said before Sasuke used tsukiyomi on bee danzo n just now on itachi.
Evident is the ms being activated for all 3 scenarios, than the other person is in a black n white background.
If you continue reading those pages during sasuke fighting bee n danzo u will see he is using tsukiyomi.
And sasuke doesnt say genjutsu sharingan. Both itachi and sasuke are saying it simutanesly.. Tsukiyomi is a genjutsu of the sharingan. But anyways how can sasuke use a regular sharingan genjutsu when his ms is activated. The chapter is showing the teamwork of both sasuke n itachi and they are both using the same jutus at the same time like amaterasu sasunoo n yes tsukiyomi.
You think sasuke would cancel the genjutsu on itachi with a regular genjutsu? Are u fools? Like i said befire you guys fail. This thread shouldnt be discussed nor disputed or should have gone to the 2nd page. Im amazed at the amount of noobs on this site.
Its clearly evident that sasuke used tsukiyomi multiple times in the past and ya are discussing it. Idiots..
Re: Sasuke doesn't have Tsukiyomi
why do you have to complicate everything?
it's pretty obvious that Sasuke has blaze release in his right eye, it's been obvious since the Kage meeting when he could have used Tsukoyomi on C instead of regular genjutsu. we saw him manipulating Amaterasu with his right eye and since each eye has only one power, Sasuke doesn't have Tsukoyomi. it's that simple.
yeah, the genjutsu is called genjutsu
why do you have to complicate everything?
it's pretty obvious that Sasuke has blaze release in his right eye, it's been obvious since the Kage meeting when he could have used Tsukoyomi on C instead of regular genjutsu. we saw him manipulating Amaterasu with his right eye and since each eye has only one power, Sasuke doesn't have Tsukoyomi. it's that simple.
we can't know if Shisui had Susano'o and it doesn't matter. Tobi said not everybody awakens Susano'o.
GodaimeRaikage
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People seem to go off into their on word and refuse to used anything that resembles logic.
When Sasuke awaken his MS, he recieved Amaterasu and Susanoo, and a unknown genjutsu.Throughout the manga we have seen pages saying the three powers, you must awaken, Amaterasu and Tsukiyomi to get Susanoo, and so on and so forth.Now Sasuke gets three powers when he awoke his MS, and we are trying to dispute what the genjutsu is.A genjutsu we never saw Sasuke used before he awaken his MS?
You failed kid.
When Sasuke awaken his MS, he recieved Amaterasu and Susanoo, and a unknown genjutsu.Throughout the manga we have seen pages saying the three powers, you must awaken, Amaterasu and Tsukiyomi to get Susanoo, and so on and so forth.Now Sasuke gets three powers when he awoke his MS, and we are trying to dispute what the genjutsu is.A genjutsu we never saw Sasuke used before he awaken his MS?
And you prove that how? Sasuke has the ability to manipulate the black flames of Amaterasu with his other eye, but that isn't a power granted to you by awaken MS, no more than Kotoamatsukami is.The ability to manipulate the black flames is something Sasuke created just like Kotoamatsukami is something Shisui created.And you discredited your own nonsense when you said each eyes has one power.If MS only allows you to have one diiferent power in each eye, how did Shisui manage to have Kotoamatsukami in both his eyes?
You failed kid.
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Re: Sasuke doesn't have Tsukiyomi
Here is another panel:
Again, it doesn't say "Tsukyomi" but "Sharingan". Not once, have I ever seen the word "Tsukyomi" when Sasuke is using his Genjutsu.
And, even assuming that Sasuke does have Tsukyomi, by your logic, Sasuke would still be in a Genjutsu, because Itachi's Genjutsu is stronger than Sasuke's. So clearly that was not the purpose of putting a Genjutsu on each other.
Again, I ask you. Why does it say "Genjutsu - Sharingan", on Sasuke's panel, and not "Tsukyomi"?
Where did you get the idea that Itachi and Sasuke are saying "Genjutsu - Sharingan" simultaneously? It's pretty clear that on Sasuke's panel it says "Genjutsu - Sharingan", and on Itachi's it says "Tsukiyomi".
Here is another panel:
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Again, it doesn't say "Tsukyomi" but "Sharingan". Not once, have I ever seen the word "Tsukyomi" when Sasuke is using his Genjutsu.
That was not their purpose at all. The purpose of putting Genjutsu on each other was simply to disrupt their chakra so they could esape the sound genjutsu. It has nothing to do with negating each other's jutsu.
And, even assuming that Sasuke does have Tsukyomi, by your logic, Sasuke would still be in a Genjutsu, because Itachi's Genjutsu is stronger than Sasuke's. So clearly that was not the purpose of putting a Genjutsu on each other.
Again, I ask you. Why does it say "Genjutsu - Sharingan", on Sasuke's panel, and not "Tsukyomi"?
iknowwhotobiis
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go re-read the last chapter. IT is obvious sasuke used tsukuyomi. Just use your brain for a second. Sasuke gained a new genjutsu once he got MS that has not been named along with amaterasu and susanoo?! What do you guys think it´s the name of that genjutsu?! Even danzo said that sasuke tsukuyomi was far below itachis.... And on the last chapter it is not sasuke saying sharingan genjutsu. Kishi is showing the teammwork between the brothers and explaining they are using a sharingan genjutsu tsukyomi. THere are no bubbles, only letters at the top on a different font which suggests both of them said or kishi is simply explaining what they are doing. If you think otherwise you are wrong i am sorry.
all of you, good people, are full of crap
let's start things off
In the battle with Danzo there was no such page.
When Sasuke casted genjutsu on Itachi he didn't go black-white.
The only "proof" you have it that could have been cast on Bee.
However, Tsukoyomi is a genjutsu that sends you to the hospital in literally one second. The hachibi couldn't possibly dispell the genjutsu in less than one second because we actually see Bee thinking he is paralyzed and falling on the floor. Also, if Sasuke could use Tsukoyomi, I'm sure he wouldn't let himself get stabbed by Danzo using a regular genjutsu.
Next, how can Sasuke use genjutsu when he has MS activated? Simple.
How can Madara use Susano'o when he has Rinnegan activated?
Having advanced dojutsu doesn't mean you can't use the previous powers.
It's not about breaking from genjutsu, it's about nullifying the first genjutsu with a more powerful one. For example, Shisui's Komoamatsukami breaking Edo Tensei. I'm sure we can all agree that an Uchiha genjutsu is more powerful than Tayuya's sound genjutsu. So what's the problem? Once the weaker genjutsu is gone, the second one takes effect and it can be dispelled at will from the caster. That's what the Uchiha brothers did anyway.
And what gives you the right to call people idiots? Seriously? Everyone has the right to their opinion and you haven't done much to disprove anyone thinking Sasuke doesn't have Tsukoyomi.
How exactly did I discredit myself? You are the one who has no proof whatsoever that could even suggest your theory. By the way, where did anyone say that everyone must have a physical and a genjutsu MS power? As far as I know, Kakashi has space-time ninjutsu which sends people and things in another dimension. Tobi can travel through dimensions himself with his sharingan.
Don't patronize me. I backed up my theory, now you back up yours.
If they were actually saying it together, that's something we won't know for sure until the anime gets to that point. Either that or we see something in the manga that could prove beyond any doubt that Sasuke has Tsukoyomi. Prove me wrong then. Give me some conclusive proof and I'll admit I'm wrong.
let's start things off
I went through the manga and your little theory that everything goes black and white during Tsukoyomi.
In the battle with Danzo there was no such page.
When Sasuke casted genjutsu on Itachi he didn't go black-white.
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The only "proof" you have it that could have been cast on Bee.
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However, Tsukoyomi is a genjutsu that sends you to the hospital in literally one second. The hachibi couldn't possibly dispell the genjutsu in less than one second because we actually see Bee thinking he is paralyzed and falling on the floor. Also, if Sasuke could use Tsukoyomi, I'm sure he wouldn't let himself get stabbed by Danzo using a regular genjutsu.
Next, how can Sasuke use genjutsu when he has MS activated? Simple.
How can Madara use Susano'o when he has Rinnegan activated?
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Having advanced dojutsu doesn't mean you can't use the previous powers.
It's not about breaking from genjutsu, it's about nullifying the first genjutsu with a more powerful one. For example, Shisui's Komoamatsukami breaking Edo Tensei. I'm sure we can all agree that an Uchiha genjutsu is more powerful than Tayuya's sound genjutsu. So what's the problem? Once the weaker genjutsu is gone, the second one takes effect and it can be dispelled at will from the caster. That's what the Uchiha brothers did anyway.
And what gives you the right to call people idiots? Seriously? Everyone has the right to their opinion and you haven't done much to disprove anyone thinking Sasuke doesn't have Tsukoyomi.
How do you know Shisui had Komoamatsukami in both eyes? We never saw Danzo using Shisui's MS. For all we know Danzo could have casted a normal genjutsu on Mifune. Please, show me where is it said that he had Komoamatsukami in both eyes.
How exactly did I discredit myself? You are the one who has no proof whatsoever that could even suggest your theory. By the way, where did anyone say that everyone must have a physical and a genjutsu MS power? As far as I know, Kakashi has space-time ninjutsu which sends people and things in another dimension. Tobi can travel through dimensions himself with his sharingan.
Don't patronize me. I backed up my theory, now you back up yours.
Again, how do you know Sasuke gained a new genjutsu with MS? Does anyone ever say anything about it in the manga? Sasuke himself never said the word Tsukoyomi. Danzo said Sasuke's illusion was inferior to Itachi's Tsukoyomi. You are the one who should re-read the manga. It's on chapter 478, so go ahead.
If they were actually saying it together, that's something we won't know for sure until the anime gets to that point. Either that or we see something in the manga that could prove beyond any doubt that Sasuke has Tsukoyomi. Prove me wrong then. Give me some conclusive proof and I'll admit I'm wrong.
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