[Spoilers] Chapter 581 - New Jutsu: Izanami

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I still think that a true Uchiha doesn't need senju DNA for Izanagi or Izanami.

If that is the case, then Tobi is not an Uchiha.

We shall see I suppose.

Well based on the most accurate and more or less 'likely' predictions as to whom Tobi really is (The ones where they predict he's built from Hashirama's DNA just like Zetsu), then it would make proper sense for him to be able to use Izanagi. And needless to say, Tobi wouldn't have to bother about the "Eternal" Sharigan where you don't lose the eye, since he's got a ****ing laboratory full of Sharigans just laying around. Pretty sure he could spare a few. ;) In any case, if Izanagi/Izanami really does require Hashi's DNA, then this chapter was shit. Else, it was fine.
 

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Well based on the most accurate and more or less 'likely' predictions as to whom Tobi really is (The ones where they predict he's built from Hashirama's DNA just like Zetsu), then it would make proper sense for him to be able to use Izanagi. And needless to say, Tobi wouldn't have to bother about the "Eternal" Sharigan where you don't lose the eye, since he's got a ****ing laboratory full of Sharigans just laying around. Pretty sure he could spare a few. ;) In any case, if Izanagi/Izanami really does require Hashi's DNA, then this chapter was shit. Else, it was fine.

Exactly! Well put :) (+ rep)
 

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Uchiha = tons of free OP upgrades
Senju = has to work hard for everything they get


Also - Kabuto must know what Izanami is, he and Orochimaru probably knew of it already.

Also - why didn't Danzo use it instead of burning all his eyes for Izanagi like an idiot.


I'm thinking Kabuto is gonna have to end edo to prevent getting pwned by Itachi here if he knows what Izanami is.


The stronger Uchiha's get the stronger Senju will get, Kishi will obviously give them a power up boost and some sort of Izanabi or something like that which will make them equal.
 

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Izanami - Theory & Relations to Mythology

Alright this is my first theory thread forgive if I break a few rules here and there. I'll try to make this short and simple.

Let's get down to business.

1. Kishi uses Japanese Mythology Names in Naruto. A fine example is Susanoo and Tsukoyomi. Here Kishi uses Izanami.

2. In Japanese Mythology - Izanami (goddess of creation & death) is the wife to Izanagi and as a pair they both are creator of things. Which is also why Itachi said that both Izanami and Izanagi goes hand in hand. A pair of lovers I say.

3. We know that Izanagi is a genjutsu that's cast on the user to make he/she believes that they have killed you but in reality it is not. Pretty much it turns reality into illusion. Therefore my theory is Izanami is a genjutsu that turns an illusion into reality. And it is cast on the opponent instead.

4. Itachi mentions that it does not require the 5 senses of the opponent to be affected by Izanami. So I am guessing it targets the opponent chakra flows. As we know Chakra flows throught a persons body (every part of the body) Hence why Itachi has been sensing Kabuto Chakra all this while.

By the way I am no Uchiha fan just a manga reader.

Links with information on Izanagi & Izanami Myths :



 
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Itachi could use Izanami too turn Genjutsu , that consist of him having KA of Shisui and then use KA on Kabuto :)
 

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congrats you are user # 100 to come up with this. This thread will be merged in 5....4...3...
 

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Itachi could use Izanami too turn Genjutsu , that consist of him having KA of Shisui and then use KA on Kabuto :)

As I said, there just has to be a downside because if used correctly it's just..............yeah.
 

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unfortunately izanagi is already a genjutsu which is casted on the user.
and also izanagi turns reality into illusion and illusion into reality so you have just got izanagi slightly confused with izanami their.
 

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The stronger Uchiha's get the stronger Senju will get, Kishi will obviously give them a power up boost and some sort of Izanabi or something like that which will make them equal.

@ bold -> No, I don't think so :rolleyes:
 
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Itachi could use Izanami too turn Genjutsu , that consist of him having KA of Shisui and then use KA on Kabuto :)

If what some guys said before on this thread "Izanami can make a Genjuts reality" and you mean what you said like that the Genjutsu Itachi's gonna make reality is KA because if Izanami makes a GENJUTSU REALITY then the opponent should have a Genjutsu casted on him and THAT Genjutsu will become reality, and KA is a Genjutsu that is still being casted on Kabuto, that's the only Genjutsu Kabuto "has" basically.
If you mean that then you have a really good point.
 

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Yet another uchiha Power up, Surprise surprise xd.
 
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According to Japanese Mythology, Izanagi-no-Mikoto lamented the death of Izanami-no-Mikoto and undertook a journey to Yomi ("the shadowy land of the dead"). Quickly, he searched for Izanami-no-Mikoto and found her. At first, Izanagi-no-Mikoto could not see her at all for the shadows hid her appearance well. Nevertheless, he asked her to return with him. Izanami-no-Mikoto spat out at him, informing Izanagi-no-Mikoto that he was too late. She had already eaten the food of the underworld and was now one with the land of the dead. She could no longer return to the living.

Izanagi-no-Mikoto was shocked at this news but he refused to give in to her wishes of being left to the dark embrace of Yomi. While Izanami-no-Mikoto was sleeping, he took the comb that bound his long hair and set it alight as a torch. Under the sudden burst of light, he saw the horrid form of the once beautiful and graceful Izanami-no-Mikoto. She was now a rotting form of flesh with maggots and foul creatures running over her ravaged body.

Crying out loud, Izanagi-no-Mikoto could no longer control his fear and started to run, intending to return to the living and abandon his death-ridden wife. Izanami-no-Mikoto woke up shrieking and indignant and chased after him. Wild shikome (foul women) also hunted for the frightened Izanagi-no-Mikoto, instructed by Izanami-no-Mikoto to bring him back.

Izanagi-no-Mikoto burst out of the entrance and quickly pushed a boulder in the mouth of the Yomotsuhirasaka (黄泉津平坂; cavern that was the entrance of Yomi). Izanami-no-Mikoto screamed from behind this impenetrable barricade and told Izanagi-no-Mikoto that if he left her she would destroy 1,000 residents of the living every day. He furiously replied he would give life to 1,500.

Another version is Izanagi was running with his wife out the entrance of Yomi, instructed not to look at her until out, and a step before fully out he looked at Izanami and she was decayed. Afraid, Izanagi summoned a boulder in front of the entrance. Enraged, Izanami cursed that she would kill a 1,000 men every day, but Izanagi retorted that he would give life to 1,500 men every day.

So maybe this jutsu is supposed to be use something to kill because Izanami did say (according to mythology) that she would kill 1,000 men every day. Izanagi (technique) is used to save yourself from death, so maybe the techniques have some relation to this myth.




Credit to wikipedia for myth
 

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unfortunately izanagi is already a genjutsu which is casted on the user.
and also izanagi turns reality into illusion and illusion into reality so you have just got izanagi slightly confused with izanami their.

ah my bad mate sorry bout that will make amendments to the thread
 

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ya seems pretty reasonable
 

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So itachi uses izanami and his gonna go blind?? or he will have the light come back because he is already dead.
 

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Alright this is my first theory thread forgive if I break a few rules here and there. I'll try to make this short and simple.

Let's get down to business.

1. Kishi uses Japanese Mythology Names in Naruto. A fine example is Susanoo and Tsukoyomi. Here Kishi uses Izanami.

2. In Japanese Mythology - Izanami (goddess of creation & death) is the wife to Izanagi and as a pair they both are creator of things. Which is also why Itachi said that both Izanami and Izanagi goes hand in hand. A pair of lovers I say.

3. We know that Izanagi is a genjutsu that's cast on the user to make he/she believes that they have killed you but in reality it is not. Pretty much it turns reality into illusion. Therefore my theory is Izanami is a genjutsu that turns an illusion into reality. And it is cast on the opponent instead.

4. Itachi mentions that it does not require the 5 senses of the opponent to be affected by Izanami. So I am guessing it targets the opponent chakra flows. As we know Chakra flows throught a persons body (every part of the body) Hence why Itachi has been sensing Kabuto Chakra all this while.

By the way I am no Uchiha fan just a manga reader.

Links with information on Izanagi & Izanami Myths :




lol that like is a genjustu casted on u o_O
 

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Edit: Sorry, I didn't want to miss anyone, lol. :)

lol, I predicted this a while back

I was on wikipedia and I found out about Izanami and Izanagi

So Izanami had to be it's partner jutsu

You're not alone, you're a member of the Izanami predictors club for NB. Further, that excludes all the other forums around the world where people came to the same prediction. Cheers. :izuna:

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yeaa it does lose one of your eyes, just like izanagi

But i THINK that itachi is using it due to being an edo, so he could possibly just regenerate back to his previous eye state

idk , if he can spam an op jutsu like that, he has this in the bag

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The most likely self-risk of Izanami is losing the light given that the risk of the two most powerful Sharingan power ups/jutsu (MS/Izanagi) are losing the light forever. Further, the Uchiha draw all their power from their eyes, well at least the vast majority, so again it seems fitting. Further, it's Izanami is a doujutsu. Three obvious reasons, to speculate that blindness is the normal result; however, as you noted, Itachi is an Edo Tensei and regenerates, so what the hell.

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Makes genjutsu reality for the opponent. Itachi imagines Kabuto releasing ET and it happens.

Yeah, this is the most concise, and logical answer on the thread. Other people have nailed it too, but not so concisely. +rep.

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Tbh i already knew what it did a will back because i read on myths anyway and the way kishi has said what izanagi does, it makes sense to assume that izanami would be the opposite.

So izanagi casts genjutsu on the user and turns reality into illusions.

With izanami it casts genjutsu on the opponent and turns illusions into reality. Therefore basically itachi can determine any of his opponents fate with this jutsu alone.

Also he is dead anyway therefore even if he loses and eye, it doesnt matter
although due to edo tensei he might regain it back. He might be using edo tensei's regeneration abilities to his advantage

An excellent summary, even better by putting it in the context of Izanagi and mentioning Itachi's ET's status, which may preclude him from the Kinjutsu's self-imposed risk of "his windmill losing the light" (i.e. blindness).

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Not a big deal to me. Itachi will lose one eye or both to take down Kabuto
As a mortal, I'd agree that'd be a strong possibility. As an Edo Tensei, I doubt that'll happen except at best temporarily due to the regeneration component of being an Edo Tensei.

Albeit, you bring up an interesting point. With Izanagi, we know that you lose 1 eye, the eye you cast Izanagi with. I wonder if Izanami is the same or if it's cost is higher. Good point on that. :)

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Another thing; Does it require Senju DNA? We know that it is Izanagi pair, and Izanagi requires Senju DNA. Would it be therefore logical to assume Izanami also requires both Uchiha and Senju DNA?

I highly doubt it. Itachi, particularly in the post-time-skip era, has been all about being the ideal Uchiha as demonstrated most highly during his meeting/battle with Sasuke and demonstrating the MS's powers and the clan's secrets and history. He's not like a Tobi, Danzou, and ET Madara who are idealists towards the Rikudou Sennin. Itachi is an idealist towards the Uchiha line, and as such, I can't see him (or perhaps I should say Kishi the author/artist) diluting his character by taking a power from the Senju or any other line to augment him. Rather, he'll maximize the Uchiha line for now and Sasuke may after him.

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Atleast kishi has basically put the vs thread concerning itachi vs minato to rest, imo. Thank you kishi :izuna:

Seriously? That vs. thread is more immortal than damn near anything in the Narutoverse, lol. It's never dying. We'll die before it does, book it! :sy:

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great another tech for the ms. and here i though it would be reserved for the ems. Well at least sasuke hopefully will play a part in izanami since he has ems.

I'm thinking this the last tech of MS there's not more japanese gods left.

What's Sasuke gonna do? This is an Uchiha Sharingan Kinjutsu that may not even require the MS. Itachi is protecting Sasuke right now while he's performing Izanami against Kabuto.


Lol, yeah, there's at least 5 jutsu for Sasuke now with EMS - Tsukiyomi, Ameratsu (also Blaze Release), Susanoo, 4th EMS doujutsu [unknown], Izanami [likely causes blindness, it's a Kinjutsu], ... :)

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That would just be like the genjutsu that Sasuke used on Danzo to make him think he still had an eye left, so basically that's just a basic genjutsu.

That was actually Tsukiyomi. It just sucked, so it seemed like a basic genjutsu, lol. If you go back and reread, you'll see it was in fact Tsukiyomi. Tobi comments on it being crappy too I believe, lol. His EMS version seems improved though based on the White Zetsu clone's response.

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Yeah, i'm pretty sure Sasuke will learn how to use this technique. But I just think, if it hits, it's an auto win. That's why there must be another unkown factor we don't know about, because it is just too OP IMO......

This is an Uchiha Kinjutsu, so of course there's a downside. It's likely blindness, but Itachi is an ET who can regenerate while Sasuke is a mortal who can't do that. I don't foresee Sasuke spamming this jutsu.

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Uchiha = tons of free OP upgrades
Senju = has to work hard for everything they get


Also - Kabuto must know what Izanami is, he and Orochimaru probably knew of it already.

Also - why didn't Danzo use it instead of burning all his eyes for Izanagi like an idiot.


I'm thinking Kabuto is gonna have to end edo to prevent getting pwned by Itachi here if he knows what Izanami is.
This has been happening all series long, so why complain about it now. Further, you can't compare the hard working Senju, since they haven't been around this series at all except for Tsunade, and we haven't seen her train. All we've seen is Naruto, who's a half-Uzumaki, distant blood relatives to the Senju. Further, his latest and greatest power ups have been coming fast and furious, so I'm not bothered.

As for why Danzou didn't use it. My simplest proposition (then applying Occam's razor) is that he didn't know about it. He apparently had all the tools it would seem DNA wise along with the Sharingans, unless you have to be a blood-born Uchiha to perform this (that seems doubtful since he could pull of Izanagi). Alternatively, he believed in his other strategy with Izanagi alone, as he clearly underestimated Sasuke. I don't know with certainty.

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According to Japanese Mythology, Izanagi-no-Mikoto lamented the death of Izanami-no-Mikoto and undertook a journey to Yomi ("the shadowy land of the dead"). Quickly, he searched for Izanami-no-Mikoto and found her. At first, Izanagi-no-Mikoto could not see her at all for the shadows hid her appearance well. Nevertheless, he asked her to return with him. Izanami-no-Mikoto spat out at him, informing Izanagi-no-Mikoto that he was too late. She had already eaten the food of the underworld and was now one with the land of the dead. She could no longer return to the living.

Izanagi-no-Mikoto was shocked at this news but he refused to give in to her wishes of being left to the dark embrace of Yomi. While Izanami-no-Mikoto was sleeping, he took the comb that bound his long hair and set it alight as a torch. Under the sudden burst of light, he saw the horrid form of the once beautiful and graceful Izanami-no-Mikoto. She was now a rotting form of flesh with maggots and foul creatures running over her ravaged body.

Crying out loud, Izanagi-no-Mikoto could no longer control his fear and started to run, intending to return to the living and abandon his death-ridden wife. Izanami-no-Mikoto woke up shrieking and indignant and chased after him. Wild shikome (foul women) also hunted for the frightened Izanagi-no-Mikoto, instructed by Izanami-no-Mikoto to bring him back.

Izanagi-no-Mikoto burst out of the entrance and quickly pushed a boulder in the mouth of the Yomotsuhirasaka (黄泉津平坂; cavern that was the entrance of Yomi). Izanami-no-Mikoto screamed from behind this impenetrable barricade and told Izanagi-no-Mikoto that if he left her she would destroy 1,000 residents of the living every day. He furiously replied he would give life to 1,500.

Another version is Izanagi was running with his wife out the entrance of Yomi, instructed not to look at her until out, and a step before fully out he looked at Izanami and she was decayed. Afraid, Izanagi summoned a boulder in front of the entrance. Enraged, Izanami cursed that she would kill a 1,000 men every day, but Izanagi retorted that he would give life to 1,500 men every day.

So maybe this jutsu is supposed to be use something to kill because Izanami did say (according to mythology) that she would kill 1,000 men every day. Izanagi (technique) is used to save yourself from death, so maybe the techniques have some relation to this myth.




Credit to wikipedia for myth

Could be - although Kishi loosely bases these jutsus on the myths. But certainly Izanami could be used to make the illusion of killing someone a reality :shrug:
 

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according to jaopmythology izanami is a goddess i guess ...so i don no we wil have to wait
 
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