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@sato4kaiba am referring to naruto and utakata meeting for the first time in 572 when they have already met in the utakata filler. well its a minor thing it can easily be fixed in the anime.

the little tailed beast are cute, maybe they should make stuff toys out of them.

more importantly, why would Yagura call himself the EX-4TH MIZUKAGE? does this mean that somebody (Tobi) took over as the fourth mizukage?
 

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I see what you mean about Naruto and Utakata! Did you realize that part of what Madara-PEIN said is true. The Sage did have one beast that was split into the nine tailed beast. It see that they were not that powerful as they were all pups.

Yaugura may as well be the fourth Mizukage as he said or another error! However, if its not and error, then it would hold true by implication that when Kisame called Tobi aka Madara-PEIN Mizukage, he was addressing him correctly as the Third Mizukage (known for the blood mist).

It would be interesting to see who his Madara-PIEN really is; we know that the Sharingan is not only to the Uchiha as eyes can be transplanted from one to another. Its possible that Marada-PIEN is former third kage from the Hidden Mist that either had a special charka or some bloodline limit that allowed him to handle power eyes like the Sharingan and Rinnegan!
 

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@Venger Soon I will stop commenting on this site. Its seems that you and I are the only ones left. Other have either given up on this site, or they have moved onto another. *********** no longer have Naruto Manga on their site for reading so I have changed to Mangareader.

Things are getting exciting as Kabuto showed his trump card. Orochimaru have perfected the use of Konoha's Shodai DNA and used it in a body that was prepared to bring back the real Uchiha Madara. With the Sharingan, Rin-negan, and the powerful charka of the First Kage of Konoha, kabuto have created an undead that might be more of a treat to the world that Madara-PEIN. Naruto have gained the help of the Demon Fox and have to true power of the Sage Of The Six Paths. The true power of the tailed beast is their names. Naruto can now connect to all the tailed beast on a level that only the beast themselves and the SoTSP was able top accomplish. It would be a great site to see Naruto obtain all the rest of the tailed beast to be the ultimate jinchuuriki!
 

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i frequently visit narutoverse.org, it has the simplicity of the old chaos site and you can post anonymously if you are early. also seem that a lot of the old chaos members are there basing on the way they comment (using different names). great comments and predictions, as well as dumb ones are there too. debates are also frequent. you should try it sometime
 

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Not unexpected that the eye that Tobi uses belongs to Obito. Since we saw the face of Tobi when the black-flames trap almost burnt him - we know that he is much older than Kakashi. So my educated guess is that it must be one of the three ninjas Kakashi fought on that bridge. He later took the eye that was under the rock from the dead body of Obito.
 

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wow i can't imagine my last post was more than a year ago, 9/17/11. how are y'all old friends?

yeah obito ending up to be tobi is a heart-breaker. and then recently -- wtf kishi what have you done with kakashi and rin?!?

*tobito rant*
i still can't imagine why the konoha body-disposal team has not found obito's body from that rubble.
if an uchiha body is very important because of it's kekkai genkai, then they should have attempted to retrieve him.
not to mention that he was considered a hero, and a student of the yellow flash.

it is indeed possible that the body-disposal team reported that they found obito's corpse but not really. so they lied.
that is why all the while kakashi thought that obito really died and his remains were buried in konoha.
kakashi seemed very shocked and surprised to see obito.

this is a very big loophole in kishi's story-telling.
 

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Good to see you back Melo. Many have left and very few have stayed.

Anyway, I didn't think about the body disposal unit part; that was a good point you made. I was surprised to see that Obito was in deed Tobi. It also means that Obito was the one controlling the 3-tails bujuu since Kisame called him Mizukage. We finally found out that Madara indeed died and he indeed fought the Shodai to get his DNA. It seems that Rin was spy as the Blood Mist ninja was meeting with her when Kakashi found them and killed her to prevent information from leaving Sato no Konoha (Village of the Leaf).

Madara transformed his eye to the six parts and only needed a Senjuu body, hence his goal to steal the Shodai's DNA.
 

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Good to see you Sato. I was too busy with grad school and so wasn't able to keep in touch.

That Obito was the Mizukage is interesting since the recent chapter has him decimating Mist shinobi.
Thanks for explaining to me this tragedy of Rin dying -- or being killed by Kakashi himself -- and thus, Obito turning to the Dark side.
For a retrieval operation of their spy, the Mist has dispatched a good number of their shinobi. I thought they were still at war and they were surrounded, but that, of course, doesn't make sense why Kakashi would kill Rin himself. Tragic, indeed.

About the body disposal squad, in this recent chapter their importance is again brought to the fore when the Mist shinobis still want to retrieve the corpse as it is still relevant for information, see ch606p15.

I don't quite understand your last statement, please kindly tell me more about this.
 

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I am getting the feeling that Kishi made this part of the story as an afterthought after the first part, i.e. Zabuza-Haku part.

First, how was the body-disposal squad of Konoha not able to retrieve Obito's corpse, or did they lie, since Kakashi appears so surprised to see that Obito is alive? This recent chapter showed us that the body disposal squad is important since the Blood Mist ninjas still want to retrieve Rin's body because of the important intel they could cull from it.

Second, Kakashi not knowing he had MS for almost ten years seems really lame.

Third, where the hell is THE Yellow Flash when he is needed?
He conveniently disappears this second time and another team 7 member dies.

Fourth, the Hashirama-DNA infused suit is also very convenient since we haven't seen Hashirama himsef use this jutsu of passing through walls, earth, and people. If he is the origin of this jutsu that made Obito 'invincible' then Hashirama should have been invincible, too.

To end, someone else noted in another forum that the Blood Mist ANBU's mask breaking is significant. It seems that the forehead protector shows he was from the Leaf. See p18.
 

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i think rin will be summoned from the dead by obito(or somebody else) to fight kakashi, and will turn out to be in the favor of kakashi because it will be the catalyst to convince obito to betray madara. and will cost obito's life.
-just a prediction.
 

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I am with you when you talked about the body retrieval unit from Konoha. I would propose that they didn't find his body because they believed that it was buried and could not be obtained as the ninja that knew that Obito's body was there died.
Kakashi and Obito developed the MS at the same time. Was it that he forgot about it or didn't realized that he had it as he passed out. Kakashi always claimed that he didn't have the chakra for MS and we saw that it took him some time to use time-space when he and Naruto was fight the Bomb-master that thinks he can make art.

Melo, I think that when Kakashi killed Rin the Yellow Flash was the Fourth Hokage at the time. Kakashi was already a Jounin and a team leader. I would suggest that he was heading his own team and may have been sent by the Fourth on this secret mission.

With that jutsu, I am not sure. The Shodai may have been the one to have created it but may have not used it due to the downside if it has one. I would see this jutsu being more for the use of a spy than in actual battle. Also, I think the white Zetsu has something to do with how Obito was able to use him as a shell.


Not sure what your referring to on pg 18. What chapter?

The true Uchiha Madara was able to unlock the Rin-negan after he infused himself with the Shodai's DNA. He was also able to create the same chakra rods that the Sage of The Six Paths used. However, he was not able to perfect the jutsu as he didn't have a senju body. Madara implanted the eyes in Nagato who was a descendant from Naruto's mother's family line. Naruto and Nagato were cousins. Nagato developed the eyes and the plan was for him to revive the true Madara. The true Madara would have them taken the developed eyes back to complete the Moon Eye plan
 
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uhm, how come I'm not receiving updates on my e-mail when you guys post? I used to receive them so I know you guys are around.

Thanks, venger, for the warm welcome.

This p.18, of chapter 605:

Good explanation, Sato, on your previous post at the end part, as to how Hashirama's DNA enabled Zetsu and Obito to pass through earth. I still feel that Kishi's ninja science did not explain this too well, thus, I still feel unimpressed.

I'm sad that Shikamaru's dad is gone. Hats off to him and the heroes of this Fourth Ninja Wars.
 

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There is not much to say but to wait and see how many more will die at the hands of the Uchiha before Naruto does something about it with his special. Neji is gone, and he protected Hinata, and Naruto. I can see a stronger bond developing between Hinata and Naruto now.

What I would like to see if Naruto conbine both Fox Beast Mode and Toad Sage mode to become something that can rivival the 10 Tails. Since the 10 Tails uses Natural Energy and its source of power, it still have a transformation to go through. With Naruto 9 Tails Beast Mode and Sage mode, he will have all the energy needed to take on the 10 Tails. Of course, this is all in my head but will be cool to watch it play out.
 
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