chakra control underrated.

[Joshutsu]

The manga what you showed is true and i know about it very well. What do you know about Genjutsu? Feel free to ask. It's better to ask instead of debating with out knowing...Don't get me wrong.

I'm not.

I showed proof that Sakura has dispelled herself from A-rank genjutsu.

Techniques are ranked by what? Difficulty of the technique and skill required to learn.

How am I wrong for saying Sakura can handle up to A-rank techquies, when I have the proof and the knowledge of ranking techniques. She should be able to handle everything within the A-rank level of difficulty and lower.

I'm not making claims on sharingan genjutsu or frog song, we don't know the rank techniques they are. So i'm not trying to say she does anything to these. I was only saying she would need future feats to prove she can counter sharingan.

But with facts, I should be able to safely say she handles genjutsu A-rank or lower.

 

[Xāvî1]

I'm not.

I showed proof that Sakura has dispelled herself from A-rank genjutsu.

Techniques are ranked by what? Difficulty of the technique and skill required to learn. - Not only that.. It also requires Destruction force.. For ex: if you took a year to learn a D rank jutsu.. that doesn't meant the jutsu itself is a S rank! Is it Now

How am I wrong for saying Sakura can handle up to A-rank techquies, when I have the proof and the knowledge of ranking techniques. She should be able to handle everything within the A-rank level of difficulty and lower. - Where in the manga says that the technique is a A-rank?

I'm not making claims on sharingan genjutsu or frog song, we don't know the rank techniques they are. So i'm not trying to say she does anything to these. I was only saying she would need future feats to prove she can counter sharingan.

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Here you go read this...Did you know Kurenai is a genjutsu expert? It was proven in manga....

But with facts, I should be able to safely say she handles genjutsu A-rank or lower.

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It is not proven in manga. I don't agree with wiki, show me manga scans..

 

[xxSAGExx]

Sakura = uses it for the explosion jump =]

Also, no he uses chakra arms.


How am i overthinking when its literally said, she can focuses all of the chakra in her body on 1 point.. while Naruto has no feat of that... O-o.

And those are people who aren't masters in chakra control and haven't reached the pinnacle.

Thanks for the post man, it furthers my point.

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Well the closest thing Naruto has for focusing chakra is shown when he was learning rasengan, he had to focus a lot of his chakra at a single point, this took focus and concentration

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Well Shizune said Sakura reached her (Sakura's) pinnacle, that's her highest and not the highest in general. After all Tsunade came and fully healed Shikamaru with a touch of her hand when Sakura couldn't so you can still see Tsunade's pinnacle is higher than Sakura's. People like Sasuke and Naruto only keep improving so their pinnacle isn't close, Sasuke have been said to surpass Itachi, Nagato and EMS Madara while Naruto has been compared to Hashirama 4x and to the Sage by the Bijuus.

You never specified you asked me to prove my claims and i did. Part 1 Sakura > A-rank genjutsu.


Genjutsu is genjutsu, they all have a rank. So she covers up to A rank genjutsu.

Sharingan genjutsu below that A-rank level I don't see why not, as for sound genjutsu I don't know, sound genjutsu is active as long as you can hear it right? So then it can't be dispelled? If it can, then i would say as long as it is A-rank or below theres nothing to prove she can't.

Also we've never seen her caught in sharingan genjutsu. Again all genjutsu is ranked as far as I know I believe most sharingan genjutsu is above A-rank anyways.

We'll have to wait and see, since part 1 sakura could already handle a-rank genjutsu, well she has improved in all aspects except that since it has yet to be shown.

being able to break that one A visual genjutsu doesn't mean she can break other A rank genjutsus. Look at Kurenia, a jounin who specialize in genjutsu got her genjutsu reflected and had to bite her lips to break out instead of breaking out by disrupting her chakra.

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Her description on her genjutsu skills: The full extent of Kurenai's abilities are predominantly unknown. But, her skill with genjutsu is so vast that it is said to rival even those of Itachi Uchiha.[2] Most of her techniques focus around flora; primarily using large trees to bind opponents as well as flower petals for various reasons. She is also able to simultaneously affect multiple opponents with her techniques, as seen during her fight with Kisame Hoshigaki and Itachi Uchiha. Itachi, a genjutsu master himself, has also praised her skills.[14] Furthermore, she could revert the effects of genjutsu to the caster.

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[Joshutsu]

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It is not proven in manga. I don't agree with wiki, show me manga scans..

Sometimes I think I'm talking to a random response generator. I don't care about Kurenai, I'm not talking about her. I don't need to read or give input on a thread about it.

Kurenai's strongest cannon technique shown is B-rank. I already showed you manga scans of the technique Sakura broke out of. They don't mention technique ranks in the manga.

Narutopedia references the technique info from the databook down to the page. Deal with it.

If you care to find out if it's true, you can message them and ask them to show you it in the actual databook. Sakura >> A-rank genjutsu.

#ImOut

 

[Joshutsu]

Well the closest thing Naruto has for focusing chakra is shown when he was learning rasengan, he had to focus a lot of his chakra at a single point, this took focus and concentration

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Well Shizune said Sakura reached her (Sakura's) pinnacle, that's her highest and not the highest in general. After all Tsunade came and fully healed Shikamaru with a touch of her hand when Sakura couldn't so you can still see Tsunade's pinnacle is higher than Sakura's. People like Sasuke and Naruto only keep improving so their pinnacle isn't close, Sasuke have been said to surpass Itachi, Nagato and EMS Madara while Naruto has been compared to Hashirama 4x and to the Sage by the Bijuus.



being able to break that one A visual genjutsu doesn't mean she can break other A rank genjutsus. Look at Kurenia, a jounin who specialize in genjutsu got her genjutsu reflected and had to bite her lips to break out instead of breaking out by disrupting her chakra.

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Her description on her genjutsu skills: The full extent of Kurenai's abilities are predominantly unknown. But, her skill with genjutsu is so vast that it is said to rival even those of Itachi Uchiha.[2] Most of her techniques focus around flora; primarily using large trees to bind opponents as well as flower petals for various reasons. She is also able to simultaneously affect multiple opponents with her techniques, as seen during her fight with Kisame Hoshigaki and Itachi Uchiha. Itachi, a genjutsu master himself, has also praised her skills.[14] Furthermore, she could revert the effects of genjutsu to the caster.

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Kurenai is irrelevant. Get that wall of text out my face if it involves her.


There's no proof Sakura cannot break out of any A-rank technique or lower. Unless you can show me scans of her being caught in some and stuck in it.

Don't dare show me the scan of kakashi doing it either. Since her A-rank technique feat came after.

I have my proof she can dispell A-rank techniques. If you can prove to me she cannot dispell all A-rank or below genjutsu, don't bother trying to tell me anything.

 

[Xāvî1]

Sometimes I think I'm talking to a random response generator. I don't care about Kurenai, I'm not talking about her. I don't need to read or give input on a thread about it.

Kurenai's strongest cannon technique shown is B-rank. I already showed you manga scans of the technique Sakura broke out of. They don't mention technique ranks in the manga.

Narutopedia references the technique info from the databook. Deal with it.

If you care to find out if it's true, you can message them and ask them to show you it in the actual databook. Sakura >> A-rank genjutsu.

#ImOut - Is that what you do when you get soloed Lol

Where in the manga it says B rank.. I need scans not wiki.. If can't show me ranks from manga, i will never agree with you..

 

[xxSAGExx]

Kurenai is irrelevant. Get that wall of text out my face if it involves her.


There's no proof Sakura cannot break out of any A-rank technique or lower. Unless you can show me scans of her being caught in some and stuck in it.

Don't dare show me the scan of kakashi doing it either. Since her A-rank technique feat came after.

I have my proof she can dispell A-rank techniques. If you can prove to me she cannot dispell all A-rank or below genjutsu, don't bother trying to tell me anything.

You have 1 example, that doesn't mean she can do it for other type of genjutsus of the same rank or lower. That genjutsu was a wide spread one that effected a bunch of people, even Shikamaru broke out of it and pretended to be asleep but I'm not going to say Shikamaru can break out of at least A rank genjutsus when he only shown to do it that time. He broke out of the sound genjutsu by breaking his finger because he couldn't break out the other ways.

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Also the fact that Kakashi told everyone, including Sakura, not to look into Itachi's eyes and they'll be find it they don't make eye contact.

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. That should be enough proof that Sakura can't break out of all genjutsu, A rank or lower, if used by a master genjutsu user. Kakashi was the one to always praise her on chakra control and being a genjutsu type yet told her not to get caught in one of Itachi's genjutsu.

 

[Joshutsu]

You have 1 example, that doesn't mean she can do it for other type of genjutsus of the same rank or lower. That genjutsu was a wide spread one that effected a bunch of people, even Shikamaru broke out of it and pretended to be asleep but I'm not going to say Shikamaru can break out of at least A rank genjutsus when he only shown to do it that time. He broke out of the sound genjutsu by breaking his finger because he couldn't break out the other ways.

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Also the fact that Kakashi told everyone, including Sakura, not to look into Itachi's eyes and they'll be find it they don't make eye contact.

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. That should be enough proof that Sakura can't break out of all genjutsu, A rank or lower, if used by a master genjutsu user. Kakashi was the one to always praise her on chakra control and being a genjutsu type yet told her not to get caught in one of Itachi's genjutsu.

All speculation. Nothing of what i asked.

Kurenai is irrelevant. Get that wall of text out my face if it involves her.


There's no proof Sakura cannot break out of any A-rank technique or lower. Unless you can show me scans of her being caught in some and stuck in it.

Don't dare show me the scan of kakashi doing it either. Since her A-rank technique feat came after.

I have my proof she can dispell A-rank techniques. If you can prove to me she cannot dispell all A-rank or below genjutsu, don't bother trying to tell me anything.

Lol try again. ^^

 

[Scryed]

I don't think King is saying that chakra control alone would win anyone a fight.

He's probably saying that chakra control could also be used to make one's abilities even better.

Bijuu Bomb requires good chakra control otherwise the technique would fall apart. Medical Ninjutsu need good chakra control to be able to work efficiently.

In a battle, if your chakra control sucks, you'll wind up using more chakra than necessary to perform a single technique. Meaning you'll run out of chakra faster than those who have good chakra control since they'll be consuming less chakra to perform that same technique or even minimize it.

Chakra control isn't enough to win a fight but those who have good chakra control do have a certain advantage towards those who don't.

 

[xxSAGExx]

All speculation. Nothing of what i asked.






Lol try again. ^^

Who is Kakashi telling Sakura not to look into Itachi eyes speculations? Kakashi knows Sakura's capabilities not being on a level to break Itachi's genjutsu, even him who has pretty good chakra control and the sharingan didn't want to look into Itachi's eyes. You saying Sakura can break out of A rank Genjutsu and lower is pure speculation and only provide 1 example where she wasn't the only genin to do so. At least my post made more since than yours speculation or not.

Sakura at least knows her capabilities and didn't look up, Chiyo who is also a medical ninja didn't look up. None of them but Naruto and Kakashi's clone was caught.

 

[Xāvî1]

Who is Kakashi telling Sakura not to look into Itachi eyes speculations? Kakashi knows Sakura's capabilities not being on a level to break Itachi's genjutsu, even him who has pretty good chakra control and the sharingan didn't want to look into Itachi's eyes. You saying Sakura can break out of A rank Genjutsu and lower is pure speculation and only provide 1 example where she wasn't the only genin to do so. At least my post made more since than yours speculation or not.

Sakura at least knows her capabilities and didn't look up, Chiyo who is also a medical ninja didn't look up. None of them but Naruto and Kakashi's clone was caught.

Yeah if was not itachis genjutsu naruto could have broke out..Even kabuto admited you can't break itachis genjutsu

 

[xxSAGExx]

Yeah if was not itachis genjutsu naruto could have broke out..Even kabuto admited you can't break itachis genjutsu

Yeah but Joshutsu said Sakura can break out of A-Rank genjutsus or lower just because she broke out of 1 which Shikamaru also broke out of. She wanted prove that Sakura couldn't break out of an A rank of lower and I showed her Kakashi telling her as well as Naruto and Chiyo not to look into Itachi's eyes. Sakura didn't look right? So Sakura herself didn't believe she could break out of the genjutsus. There's the prove. Joshutsu said it was speculation when his whole post is speculation while mine made sense.

 

[KingHashirama]

Well the closest thing Naruto has for focusing chakra is shown when he was learning rasengan, he had to focus a lot of his chakra at a single point, this took focus and concentration

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Well Shizune said Sakura reached her (Sakura's) pinnacle, that's her highest and not the highest in general. After all Tsunade came and fully healed Shikamaru with a touch of her hand when Sakura couldn't so you can still see Tsunade's pinnacle is higher than Sakura's. People like Sasuke and Naruto only keep improving so their pinnacle isn't close, Sasuke have been said to surpass Itachi, Nagato and EMS Madara while Naruto has been compared to Hashirama 4x and to the Sage by the Bijuus.



being able to break that one A visual genjutsu doesn't mean she can break other A rank genjutsus. Look at Kurenia, a jounin who specialize in genjutsu got her genjutsu reflected and had to bite her lips to break out instead of breaking out by disrupting her chakra.

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Her description on her genjutsu skills: The full extent of Kurenai's abilities are predominantly unknown. But, her skill with genjutsu is so vast that it is said to rival even those of Itachi Uchiha.[2] Most of her techniques focus around flora; primarily using large trees to bind opponents as well as flower petals for various reasons. She is also able to simultaneously affect multiple opponents with her techniques, as seen during her fight with Kisame Hoshigaki and Itachi Uchiha. Itachi, a genjutsu master himself, has also praised her skills.[14] Furthermore, she could revert the effects of genjutsu to the caster.

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Naruto didn't do anything new... Kakashi copied the Rasengan with ease.... again that technique does not represent a high level of chakra control.. You believe concentrating on 1 point = chakra control.. then all the emdical ninja sh*t on people like Naruto and etc in regards to that.

No Shizune has not reached the pinnacle. Also, no Yin seal is the pinnacle of chakra control. Not pinnacle of Sakura.. Sakura has still to develop more and more. So yea. So good try at trying to make naruto and Sasuke superior in potential

Sakura has born with good chakra control that is her natural ability, Naruto and Sasuke learned it. Its like claiming kakashi is better than uchiha who were born with the sharingan....

 

[mrcrazyboyravi]

No body cares about chakra control anymore. everybody wants steroid infused powerups.

 

[Joshutsu]

Where in the manga it says A rank.. I need scans not wiki.. If can't show me ranks from manga, i will never agree with you..

You will never get a scan from the manga. Kishi does databooks seperate. So you don't have to believe me.

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Thats the databook it came from (noone has the databook translated)

The technique is #70 on the list of techniques.

If that's not enough proof for you and you think someoen edited all of that on naruto wiki to screw you over. Idk what to tell you.


By the by, you try and change something on naruto wiki. It still has to be confirmed by them. I should know i tried it.

Who is Kakashi telling Sakura not to look into Itachi eyes speculations? Kakashi knows Sakura's capabilities not being on a level to break Itachi's genjutsu, even him who has pretty good chakra control and the sharingan didn't want to look into Itachi's eyes. You saying Sakura can break out of A rank Genjutsu and lower is pure speculation and only provide 1 example where she wasn't the only genin to do so. At least my post made more since than yours speculation or not.

Sakura at least knows her capabilities and didn't look up, Chiyo who is also a medical ninja didn't look up. None of them but Naruto and Kakashi's clone was caught.

Yeah but Joshutsu said Sakura can break out of A-Rank genjutsus or lower just because she broke out of 1 which Shikamaru also broke out of. She wanted prove that Sakura couldn't break out of an A rank of lower and I showed her Kakashi telling her as well as Naruto and Chiyo not to look into Itachi's eyes. Sakura didn't look right? So Sakura herself didn't believe she could break out of the genjutsus. There's the prove. Joshutsu said it was speculation when his whole post is speculation while mine made sense.

Kakashi was able to break out of the same A-rank genjutsu as Sakura.


You are saying Sakura cannot break out of A-rank genjutsu and lower because of itachi.

Where is your proof Itachi's genjutsu isn't above A-rank?

Don't wall text me here, it's a simple answer. Just link the scans proving that.

If you can't my arguement, uhhh STILL STANDS Lol

 

[ajpn920]

You can troll/flame all you want and get butthurt , but in the end the post shall remain and the manga shall remain the way it is.


Chakra control is darastically underrated, why? because when people think of chakra control from Tsunade/Sakura they think of strength.... that is it. However that is a false misconception or thinking. Chakra control can enhance any part and aspect of the body. For example:

- speed can be increased with chakra control as shown by Sakura against Ino.
- genjutsu can be broken out of with high chakra control..
- Reflexes and sensing is increased with high chakra control, since sensing requires some chakra control.
- Hearing can be enhanced with chakra control, shown by Tsunade as to how she was able to hear orochimaru's heart from quite a distance.
- chakra control can also be used against someone like Gaara or Mei or Kisame and others with techniques that are somehow water and non-solid. My point here is with chakra control people like Tsunade/Sakura can run on sand/water put out by people.
- Fire can be tanked


I don't think people even realize the OP the mastery of chakra control is, and how one can use it in battle. If you want to flame or whine go ahead.

For some reason I agree with you. Mastering chakra control is OP..