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Sanji>capone by feats, in fact he is stronger than most of the supernova with those same feat, and now until shown or suggested otherwise, I will keep thinking that way.
[Discussion] Capone
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Of course he'd be stronger by feats than someone who has close to no feats. By that logic, Sanji is stronger than Big Mom too, am i right? :bdpf:
Besides i was talking about the entire thing, not just Sanji. The supposed gap between supernovas is also baseless until we get more development from them
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Sanji hadn't gone all out yet either...
Nope, big mom is stronger by default
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Lol As for now, the gap is sky rocked, until those "more development" shows up in the manga, this statesmen is accurate
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Capone > killer?? on what basis? I'm saying Killer > Capone, on the fact that he is very similar to Zoro and will most likely be very close to Zoro's strength. Zoro who is the parallel of Dark King Silvers Rayleigh. And Zoro will only most likely be be below Law/Kidd (as far as out of the supernovas go).
Only hype Sanji has going for him is the over fanhyped concept of "monster trio", concept. Other than that, no hype for Sanji to be put up on the supernova. If he was with them, Oda would've put him, just like he put Killer and Zoro.
And for the whole "By feats", to be even relevant, we'd first need to see Capone in battle. The fact is we haven't been shown him fighting. So, you can't judge it from "feats" of battle, which only Sanji here has.
I would bring in the "feat wise", only if we had seen capone battle. For now we can only realistically judge him on the face that he is in the group of top pirates of his generation along with Sanji' 2 crewmates. I personally wouldn't find it interesting for the Strawhats to have 3 people who can destroy supernova captains.
I'm sure Sanji would of broken his neck if the suroundings were better.
And that right man means nothing...Burgess was BB's right hand and he got one shoted few times...
Right hand =/= power
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KingHashirama
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There is literally zero proof of burgess being the right hand man of BB, instead Laffitte and the sniper guy have shown more of that role.
Yea, i'm sure he would've (sarcasm).
right hand = second strongest : Beckman, Rayleigh, Marco, Killer, andd Bogard for Garp, Tashigi for Smoker's ship.
Well Burgess is second commander or whatever,not third or fourth.
Tashigi is doo-doo as well what's with that comparison...
Sanji would of broken Capones neck.Situation was just bad for Sanji.
KingHashirama
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He is the second/first commander for a fleet. Which can correlate with who joined BB first. However, as far as his right hand man goes.. that'd be someone who he believes is powerful.
How exactly is Tashigi "doo-doo"?? Because she isn't able to take on Zoro , or isn't near Smoker's strength? that doesn't take away from the fact that she is indeed powerful. But my point was to show that right hand man = second strongest, which Tashigi fits perfectly in.
"would of broken".. issue is he couldn't. Different place = different mentalities. Different bodies = different abilities.
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dudu means "Shit".
OT: I don't think Capone is on Sanji's level by what we could appreciate from his character thus far.
Who knows,by now im standing on my point untill BB indeed has different right hand.
Just LMAO how strong are we talking about? If we talk about top-min tear char I can't find a place for Tashigi...
No.If there wasn't Nami,Brook and Chopper he wouldn't need to care about them.Sanji would of blitzed the shiet out of Capone...
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Mekamushi should've laid at least one hit on him!
The kient doesn't seem to have a single scar on him. he needs to be frightened of the new world!!
The kient doesn't seem to have a single scar on him. he needs to be frightened of the new world!!
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Most likely is the key. Not all right hands are as strong as each other, besides zoro is not the FM. Capone by feats is stronger than killer and they both hadn't fought
He does not need hype, he has feats over those characters
Sanji had not been in any proper 1v1 in the new world aside from dofflamingo vs sanji which he lost before even using haki or most of his strong moves
Vergo vs sanji was a tie and it ended very fast and so I won't count it
Supernova is those who had bounty over 100M when they came to dresrossa, it was never stated nor implied in any way that captains of other pirate groups>the crewmates of others, that logic is just silly, you can't say bege is stronger because he is a captain and sanji isn't....
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We are talking, shes the second strongest on her ship....
the fact you think Sanji would've blitzed shit of a supernova.. is already unrealistic.. and adding on to the Sanji wank that already exists in one piece fans nowadays.
They aren't, which is true. However, a supernova will/would have a right hand man on the level of Sanji atleast.. you can't survive in the new world with big dogs like Big Mom.. without having a strong right hand man after all.
Zoro is the FM, if you are saying Zoro isn't the FM for luffy, because luffy doesn't believe in ranks.. then by that logic there is no FM in the entire One Piece series. However, from a exterior perspective and perspective of the one piece world folks.. Zoro is the FM.
He can only have "feats" over those characters, if the other characters have been shown fighting as much as him. which soorry.. but they haven't. So you are going to use a 1-sided logic to judge the prowess of a character?
Vergo vs Sanji, Doffy vs Sanji, all of these are 1 vs 1 scenarios. Were they proper fights? no not to a full extent, however they were clashes between 2 individuals. In which he got to display what he says. Can you find the same for Capone? no. However, because you can't find the same for capone, you are willing to claim Sanji is superior because hes had combat feats, which is a bad comparison.
ended with Sanji's leg broken, so wasn't really a tie, if that fight had gone longer, Sanji would've been finished.
And the Yonko are those who possess a huge amount of territory in the new world. And since thats whats needed to be a Yonko.. then we can assume Big Mom sucks ass in a 1 vs 1 fight, because shes had no feat , correct?
Sorry, but the portrayal of the Supernova was shown as the top pirates of that generation, making up with the Worst Generation. And its not a silly logic, you and other fans like to claim that Oda portrays Sanji as equal to Zoro/other supernovas.. yet he didn't bother putting him in the Supernovas.. he specifically only put 2 crewmates to rival the other captains, Killer and Zoro. Unless you believe Oda simply did it because of some number.. then go ahead believe that. I simply don't believe it was for a stupid reason such as that.. but for the readers to judge their strength, since he can't show everyone of the supernovas in an all out fight.
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chopstickchakra
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I didn't read everything because I figured I'd focus on this. People seem to forget or ignore just how fast Sanji really is, he and Brook are the fastest SH's (bar G2). Then the biggest feat that disagrees with your statement; Capone said he controls EVERYTHING inside his castle body, from the floor to the light on the wall, everything yet despite that, with just a fraction of a distraction that lasted a few seconds Sanji ran through Capone's body past his men, grabbed a gun and got in a position over Caesar all before anyone realized or Capone could react. How, if Sanji can blitz around inside of Capone, where he controls every inch, could he not blitz him in the real world also?
Edit: I will touch on one other thing,
This is true but if you remember carefully Sanji was excluded from the group most of the time when it came to associating blame, the marines didn't even know his face for the longest time. His absence from the Super Nova could just as easily be explained by the WG not giving him an accurate bounty for his contributions due to their lack of knowledge regarding him for so long.
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