Cant Deny Manga.. MS sasuke>SM naruto

[KidGamer65]

I'll reply to you later. You're just raging now that I've destroyed your logic. I won't hold to much on yata mirror though. I'm done with that we don't know whatever.

Destroyed my logic? You asked for scans of something that isn't shown, though its made obvious that it happened.

Stop denying facts that destroy your argument. Its pathetic.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

To much falming is going on here. I'll restate my opinion again, Naruto wins extreme diff or its a draw.

Small Explanation:
With Proper distance Naruto can dodge Amaterasu, this also plays off the fact that Sasuke can't spam it and will have to use it on Gama Kuchiyose.

Naruto's FRS has already shown the DC to destroy any Susano'O below Complete or Perfect levels, Upon which I also agree that Itachi used Yata to deflect Kirin. Gakido has already given the scans for the DC.

Naruto also has Gama Ranbu in his arsenal which bypasses any defense.

Destroyed my logic? You asked for scans of something that isn't shown, though its made obvious that it happened.

Stop denying facts that destroy your argument. Its pathetic.

Dont worry about him. I'll be the first to admit that Naruto fanboys are just as bad as any other fanon.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

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It has already blocked something with more DC than FRS. Kirin.

Impossible. He had no time to form it nor was the attack repelled by the mirror.




Already showed why he had no time to manifest V3 or V4 Susanoo with the Yata Mirror, meaning its was V2. Unless you think it was V1.

If Kirin was repelled by the mirror why would the mirror be damaged? That makes no sense at all. What you are saying is that it repelled it towards the ground (Which is dumb and makes ZERO sense as it would repel it in the opposite direction it came from just like it did to the other attacks) and the Kirin hitting the ground near Susanoo destroyed the mirror along with Susanoo (Despite the fact that ALL of the attack would be repelled in the first place)

You have no argument on this part of the debate anymore. Its just you tossing aside the obvious facts that lead to V2 being used to block Kirin and instead rambling on about how there are no scans that actually show it blocking Kirin.



Are you going to keep repeating the same nonsense over and over again? Itachi had no time to put up V3 or V4 Susanoo w/ Yata Mirror. Kirin wasn't repelled meaning Yata Mirror wasn't used at all. Yata Mirror is only used with V3 and V4 Susanoos. Meaning a version w/o the mirror was used. Hence V2, unless you think it was V1 which would be dumb so that only leaves V2.



Same level of Susanoo. Same armor. No difference at all. There is a clear difference between Itachi and Sasuke.



Narutards will be Narutards. Assuming debaters for Sasuke are Sasuke fans...my god. How sickening.

You contradicted yourself. I pointed out that Sasuke activated susanoo at V3 instantly. This means that Itachi could have activated V3 susanoo instantly. This was your reply.

THAT IS SASUKE IN THAT SCAN. I already showed how long it took for ITACHI TO DO SO.

Itachi=/=Sasuke. Slap yourself and move along now.

Despite this, your basis that Sasuke's susanoo can tank ransenshuriken is weaker than Kirin, and that Itachi's susanoo was in V2 when it was destroyed. You're clearly stating that Sasuke's susanoo can tank whatever Itachi's can. Yet, when I point out that Sasuke could activate V3 instantly, you say that their capabilities of susanoo are different in that regard. This is faulty logic. You use Itachi's abilities to prove your points in Sasuke's favor. However, when I use Sasuke's abilities to prove a flaw in your statement about Itachi's abilities that would harm your argument about Sasuke's durability, you dismiss it as a difference in their abilities.

If you use examples of one characters abilities to say that another character can do the same to prove your point, then you must use the examples of the other character that disprove your point. Otherwise, you're just selecting the information that you like because it supports your argument, and discarding the information that does not support your argument. That is the definition of bias.

If the susanoo are on the same level, then they should both have the same amount of difficulty to summon. If there abilities are so different in MS, it's equally likely that their durability are different. If what Sasuke does doesn't count to Itachi, and is judged individually, then what Itachi does doesn't account to what Sasuke does, it must be judged individually.


Oh yeah, there's another time an Uchiha instantly went to a high version.

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Madara may have had EMS, but that only effects the consequences of MS, doesn't change the fact that he was able to instantly go to V4. Are you saying that Itachi's the only one who can't go to a high level instantly?


Show me the scan where Itachi's susanoo was at V2 and blocked Kirin.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

To much falming is going on here. I'll restate my opinion again, Naruto wins extreme diff or its a draw.

Small Explanation:
With Proper distance Naruto can dodge Amaterasu, this also plays off the fact that Sasuke can't spam it and will have to use it on Gama Kuchiyose.

Naruto's FRS has already shown the DC to destroy any Susano'O below Complete or Perfect levels, Upon which I also agree that Itachi used Yata to deflect Kirin. Gakido has already given the scans for the DC.

Naruto also has Gama Ranbu in his arsenal which bypasses any defense.



Dont worry about him. I'll be the first to admit that Naruto fanboys are just as bad as any other fanon.

Doesn't change the fact that he contradicted himself.U_U

 

[KidGamer65]

You contradicted yourself. I pointed out that Sasuke activated susanoo at V3 instantly. This means that Itachi could have activated V3 susanoo instantly. This was your reply.

I didn't contradict myself. You showed a scan of Sasuke using V3 instantly as a response to proof of how long it took Itachi to manifest a Susanoo w/ Yata Mirror.

Despite this, your basis that Sasuke's susanoo can tank ransenshuriken is weaker than Kirin, and that Itachi's susanoo was in V2 when it was destroyed. You're clearly stating that Sasuke's susanoo can tank whatever Itachi's can. Yet, when I point out that Sasuke could activate V3 instantly, you say that their capabilities of susanoo are different in that regard. This is faulty logic. You use Itachi's abilities to prove your points in Sasuke's favor. However, when I use Sasuke's abilities to prove a flaw in your statement about Itachi's abilities that would harm your argument about Sasuke's durability, you dismiss it as a difference in their abilities.

How fast a level of Susanoo can be activated by its user has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Susanoo itself. It has to do with the user. That is why your counter makes no sense here.

Your whole post fails because you attributed the time it takes to manifest Susanoo to the Susanoo and not the user.

If the susanoo are on the same level, then they should both have the same amount of difficulty to summon. If there abilities are so different in MS, it's equally likely that their durability are different. If what Sasuke does doesn't count to Itachi, and is judged individually, then what Itachi does doesn't account to what Sasuke does, it must be judged individually.

Wrong. How fast something can be called is due to the user, not the Susanoo itself. Saying Sasuke's Susanoo can't tank what Itachi's can is completely idiotic and makes no damn sense.

-They have the same level of armor on.
-They are the same level of Susanoo.
-They are either the same size or near the same size.

If I were to agree with your nonsense then that would mean Itachi's Incomplete Susanoo offers a better defense than Sasuke's Complete Susanoo, when they are the same size and have the same armor. That is why you make no sense.

Susanoo's defense and offense is based on its size and armor. All V2 Susanoo have the same armor as each other but Madara's is bigger than Sasuke or Itachi's but they have the same armor. Since Madara's is bigger, it can tank stronger attacks.

Oh yeah, there's another time an Uchiha instantly went to a high version.

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Madara may have had EMS, but that only effects the consequences of MS, doesn't change the fact that he was able to instantly go to V4. Are you saying that Itachi's the only one who can't go to a high level instantly?

Scans of Itachi going to a level higher than V2 instantly when the manga clearly showed how long it took his Susanoo to enter V2? All you can do is show me scans of Madara and Sasuke yet you can't show me a scan of Itachi?

Manga disagrees with you. We've already seen how long it takes for him to manifest a Susanoo w/ Yata Mirror. Anything else you have to say on the matter is null and void.

Show me the scan where Itachi's susanoo was at V2 and blocked Kirin.

This is what tards do when they know they have been proven wrong and have no more shit to spout.

-Already seen how long it took him to manifest Susanoo w/ Yata Mirror.

-Even if he can call it instantly. You are still forgetting the fact that Kirin was not repelled, if you are going to counter an argument. Don't be a dumbass and counter part of it but ignore the part that completely shits on your argument.

-The only Susanoo that don't have Yata Mirror are the V2 and V1.

-V2 reappeared when Itachi got up.

-Again, Kirin was not repelled so a Susanoo w/ Yata WAS NOT USED.

Manga facts combined with inferences take a dump on your argument. Even if I am wrong and Itachi can call his V3 and V4 in an instant (Though manga already showed how long it took him to call that) There is still the fact that Kirin wasn't repelled and the Susanoo was destroyed meaning Yata was not involved in defending from it. Case and point. If you don't like and can't deal with the truth then just leave now.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Honestly, if you're gonna say Sasuke's Susanoo speed > Itachi's speed, one could just as well say Itachi's Susanoo armor > Sasuke's.

You won't reach any peaceful ending that way.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Honestly, if you're gonna say Sasuke's Susanoo speed > Itachi's speed, one could just as well say Itachi's Susanoo armor > Sasuke's.

You won't reach any peaceful ending that way.

Thank you!!! Someone who understands my reasoning!

 

[KidGamer65]

Honestly, if you're gonna say Sasuke's Susanoo speed > Itachi's speed, one could just as well say Itachi's Susanoo armor > Sasuke's.

You won't reach any peaceful ending that way.

Except that makes no sense as every Susanoo has the same armor at the same level, durability may differ though due to the size (As seen when A's punch broke Sasuke's ribcage but A's chop was tanked by Madara's ribcage.) That is an indisputable fact. Not to mention the speed of which the Susanoo is summoned has nothing to do with the Susanoo, it has to do with the user.

Not to mention scans already show how fast Itachi manifested a Susanoo above V2 so there can be no argument on this.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Except that makes no sense as every Susanoo has the same armor at the same level. That is an indisputable fact. Not to mention the speed of which the Susanoo is summoned has nothing to do with the Susanoo, it has to do with the user.

Not to mention scans already show how fast Itachi manifested a Susanoo above V2 so there can be no argument on this.

Susanoo is chakra, chakra abilities vary from user to user.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Except that makes no sense as every Susanoo has the same armor at the same level. That is an indisputable fact. Not to mention the speed of which the Susanoo is summoned has nothing to do with the Susanoo, it has to do with the user.
Not to mention scans already show how fast Itachi manifested a Susanoo above V2 so there can be no argument on this.

Even though im on the other side of the fence of the overall point, this statment is right on the mark. You might want to add durability to that as well though.

 

[KidGamer65]

Even though im on the other side of the fence of the overall point, this statment is right on the mark. You might want to add durability to that as well though.

Gotcha.

Susanoo is chakra, chakra abilities vary from user to user.

Thanks for helping me prove my point. It varies from user to user. Meaning Sasuke and Itachi. I hope you aren't saying the armor between their Susanoo is different, cause its not and manga has already shown it.

V1 armor is the same for all users.

V2 armor is the same for all users.

And so on.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Gotcha.



Thanks for helping me prove my point. It varies from user to user. Meaning Sasuke and Itachi. I hope you aren't saying the armor between their Susanoo is different, cause its not and manga has already shown it.

V1 armor is the same for all users.

V2 armor is the same for all users.

And so on.

Yes, it can. Just because the armor looks the same, doesn't mean the chakra strength is not the same.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Yes, it can. Just because the armor looks the same, doesn't mean the chakra strength is not the same.

What are you trying to say here? Durability changes from user to user.

Madara's Ribcage Susano'O tanked Chou Oodama Rasengan from Base Naruto, Sasuke's couldn't even tank A's punch.

For a direct comparison, Madara's Ribcage Susano'O survived multiple attacks from Byakugo Tsunade and V2 A with Onoki helping him while Sasuke's was destroyed by A's punch with no momentum.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

What are you trying to say here? Durability changes from user to user.

Madara's Ribcage Susano'O tanked Chou Oodama Rasengan from Base Naruto, Sasuke's couldn't even tank A's punch.

For a direct comparison, Madara's Ribcage Susano'O survived multiple attacks from Byakugo Tsunade and V2 A with Onoki helping him while Sasuke's was destroyed by A's punch with no momentum.

Doesn't that prove my point?

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Doesn't that prove my point?

What is your point? From what I can gather (or the only bit I cared enough to read) is that you and KG are arguing over asthetics...

 

[KidGamer65]

Yes, it can. Just because the armor looks the same, doesn't mean the chakra strength is not the same.

Durability equates to size. Madara's is bigger than Sasuke or Itachi's while Itachi and Sasuke's are the same size.

Meaning Sasuke and Itachi's Susanoo have same or near the same level of durability while Madara's is bigger, so it has more durability.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Durability equates to size. Madara's is bigger than Sasuke or Itachi's while Itachi and Sasuke's are the same size.

Meaning Sasuke and Itachi's Susanoo have same or near the same level of durability while Madara's is bigger, so it has more durability.

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They look like they have the same size.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Size has nothing to do with durability....

 

[KidGamer65]

Size has nothing to do with durability....

Yeah, I took a closer look at the Susanoo and saw that the armor for Madara's seems thicker than the one for Sasuke/Itachi's.

At first I thought it was size cause Madara's are bigger and tanked more things. But, whatever, I was wrong.

 

[KidGamer65]

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They look like they have the same size.

Forget about my point with the size, Madara's Susanoo have thicker armor than Sasuke or Itachi's so it can tank more things. The size is just an added bonus for him.

Madara's V1.

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Itachi and Sasuke's V1.

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Itachi and Sasuke's Susanoo only differ in appearance. Your claim about a V3 Susanoo not being able to block what a V2 Susanoo can block is not only completely idiotic, it is baseless as well. Don't reply again unless you actually have something useful to post, like a REAL rebuttal to my post. "hurr durr no scans hurr durr" isn't going to cut it.

MS Sasuke beats SM Naruto, deal with it.