Canonical Insight

[Tauren Chieftain]

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"I can see up until here..."

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Has it crossed your mind that he was talking about a normal eye, which is why he then differentiates his own Sharingan from it? That would then mean even the Byakugan couldn't see them.

Lol you didn´t had to bother for that it was pretty clear Sharingan precognition works based on noticing even the slightest muscle tension. Thats why it works only with phyical body movements and not with chakra t movement like Sasuke himself said when he could not predict Kurama chakra tail movement .

 

[Reviewing Logic]

Hyuuga Heir you are wrong

not by the comparing the precog stuff since it has never been done (as in no manga panel gives a in depth discussion on what byakugan's precog stuff is) before so that is conjecture

you didn't mention insight but even you know the answer to that one via Kishi's gathered info


trying to bridge gaps doesn't mean we need to make up things to satisfy a uptight fanbase, especially if we easily slaughter them in their own deluded mindsets



byakugan has precog HyuugaHeir

what that precog is, is unknown

having it face against a sharingan precog has never happened

so making assumptions is conjecture

 

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[Reviewing Logic]

and Zack just rooting for something you don't even try and debate about makes you a cheer leading tool that can't think for himself like some deluded zombie

congrats

 

[Reviewing Logic]

this thread is done

but again some people will try their best to move posts again

make up shit and try one more time

 

[HyuugaHeir]

Reviewing Logic. *cough, cough*

want cough syrup?

Go read the definition of 'insight', the Bykugan's predicting abilities surpass Sharingan.

read my post again...

Hiashi and Neji reacted to every Juubi attack with no trouble,

reaction feats, yes hands down. but I wouldn't count it as precognitive feats. They could have predicted where it'll hit but you're clearly making context to favor you. An Uchiha with his Sharingan can also react to the same Juubi attack, albeit differently.

Kakashi relied on Hinata to see whether they were under Sharingan genjutsu,

This isn't precognition. This is chakra perception at the minimum.

Boruto's Hyuga blood allowed him to see Momo with no Rinnegan, that pretty much tells you clan dojutsu has the superior perception skill.

Yes I do believe Byakugan has the superior perception feats.

Sharingan = Accelerated Probability reading dependent on muscle movement.
That is Sharingan's precog. Byakugan has another version.

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

and Zack just rooting for something you don't even try and debate about makes you a cheer leading tool that can't think for himself like some deluded zombie

congrats

Lmao. I'm not that into the manga bro.

I just enjoy being in this community, that's all.

 

[HyuugaHeir]

Hyuuga Heir you are wrong

not by the comparing the precog stuff since it has never been done (as in no manga panel gives a in depth discussion on what byakugan's precog stuff is) before so that is conjecture

you didn't mention insight but even you know the answer to that one via Kishi's gathered info


trying to bridge gaps doesn't mean we need to make up things to satisfy a uptight fanbase, especially if we easily slaughter them in their own deluded mindsets



byakugan has precog HyuugaHeir

what that precog is, is unknown

having it face against a sharingan precog has never happened

so making assumptions is conjecture

that's what I said. all dojutsus have precognitive abilities... yes all is conjecture. I see nothing wrong with that. Everyone is saying their piece sometimes piling up to bullshit. I believe conjectures are better than bullshit.

 

[HyuugaHeir]

Is he dumb too, HyuugaHeir?

I have my definition of dumb. I may be dumb too, who knows. Do you think he is?

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

I have my definition of dumb. I may be dumb too, who knows. Do you think he is?

Without a doubt.

We're all dumb to an extent, but I guess his is unique.

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

that's what I said. all dojutsus have precognitive abilities... yes all is conjecture. I see nothing wrong with that. Everyone is saying their piece sometimes piling up to bullshit. I believe conjectures are better than bullshit.

Conjectures to enhance your favorite Kekkei Genkai make you seem desperate.

 

[HyuugaHeir]

Conjectures to enhance your favorite Kekkei Genkai make you seem desperate.

Do you mean me? Was I seemingly being desperate? i guess I was. That was pretty dumb of me. Sometimes, I feel like I lack the needed grammar competency to deliver my intent thru a message.

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

Do you mean me? Was I seemingly being desperate? i guess I was. That was pretty dumb of me. Sometimes, I feel like I lack the needed grammar competency to deliver my intent thru a message.

No, lol. I meant generally, Hyuga fans are like that. They feel like it needs more upgrades.

 

[HyuugaHeir]

No, lol. I meant generally, Hyuga fans are like that. They feel like it needs more upgrades.

No offense but as a Hyuuga fan myself, sometimes i cant help but feel that uchiha fans feel threatened - is threatened the right word or insecure, nah I'll just use alarmed - they are alarmed that an unexplored Hyuuga potential advances the rank of the power of the Byakugan. I mean we all had too much of the Sharingan so why not welcome additional development for the Byakugan instead. It is evident in threads that argue how this stuff isn't canon, and this right here is fanfic, and that's just bullshit, retarded fckingkillmenow..

 

[00Rinne]

Well to be fair they both have incredible insight but the Byaku may have a tad bit of an advantage in this..

Copying is a form of insight.. (Mimicking) 2Tomoe and beyond have that ability for the sharingan..
Mimicking can be done like Sasuke did in the acadamy, or like Neji..

Sasuke copied his marks hand movements mimicking his mark for answers.. (copy Insight that any human can accomplish, especially in the NV)
Neji copied his mark by x-ray vision but he could see exactly what he was mimicking/copying while Sasuke only mimicked his marks handmovements but not what he was coping/mimicking.. (x-ray is a form of insight)

They both used copying/mimicking to get their results but Neji had the better insight..

Precog can be seen as a form of insight as well.. Given the wielder the ability to see ones trajectory in battle that one wouldn't normally be able to see, given one time to counter the ability or to mimick it if you have the proper requirements with the sharingan.. (That's insight)

360 vision is a form of insight because not all have that lvl of skill or ability.. (Insight is a skill) It also gives the wielder the ability to see ones movemements change in muscles an chakra (from behind as well) which could be a sensing type of insight but it still has the x-ray insight on top of it unlike the copy/precog of the sharingan but it is still considered a visual insight..

X-ray vision along with 360 vision insight would be a tad bit better than just copying & precog insight IMO because the Byaku gives you a more indepth vision of your opponents chakra,movements & vital enternal awareness of their opponents along with other object that are not sentiene.

(Example)
Neji was able to see Kurama inside Naruto in the chuunin exams while Sasuke couldn't see Kurama with just his 2tomoe insight until he awakend his 3rd tomoe in vote 1.. The Byakugan is already at it's peek when the wielder activates it while the Sharingan has to go through stages to reach it max insight potential..

That could be why Hatake said that the Byaku has a superior insight then the Sharingan.. IMO

 

[whiteboy2345]

that's what I said. all dojutsus have precognitive abilities... yes all is conjecture. I see nothing wrong with that. Everyone is saying their piece sometimes piling up to bullshit. I believe conjectures are better than bullshit.

Can you show a scan saying all dojutsu's have precognition? You can't. just stop trying to appease RL.

 

[whiteboy2345]

Well to be fair they both have incredible insight but the Byaku may have a tad bit of an advantage in this..

Copying is a form of insight.. (Mimicking) 2Tomoe and beyond have that ability for the sharingan..
Mimicking can be done like Sasuke did in the acadamy, or like Neji..

Sasuke copied his marks hand movements mimicking his mark for answers.. (copy Insight that any human can accomplish, especially in the NV)
Neji copied his mark by x-ray vision but he could see exactly what he was mimicking/copying while Sasuke only mimicked his marks handmovements but not what he was coping/mimicking.. (x-ray is a form of insight)

They both used copying/mimicking to get their results but Neji had the better insight..

Precog can be seen as a form of insight as well.. Given the wielder the ability to see ones trajectory in battle that one wouldn't normally be able to see, given one time to counter the ability or to mimick it if you have the proper requirements with the sharingan.. (That's insight)

360 vision is a form of insight because not all have that lvl of skill or ability.. (Insight is a skill) It also gives the wielder the ability to see ones movemements change in muscles an chakra (from behind as well) which could be a sensing type of insight but it still has the x-ray insight on top of it unlike the copy/precog of the sharingan but it is still considered a visual insight..

X-ray vision along with 360 vision insight would be a tad bit better than just copying & precog insight IMO because the Byaku gives you a more indepth vision of your opponents chakra,movements & vital enternal awareness of their opponents along with other object that are not sentiene.

(Example)
Neji was able to see Kurama inside Naruto in the chuunin exams while Sasuke couldn't see Kurama with just his 2tomoe insight until he awakend his 3rd tomoe in vote 1.. The Byakugan is already at it's peek when the wielder activates it while the Sharingan has to go through stages to reach it max insight potential..

That could be why Hatake said that the Byaku has a superior insight then the Sharingan.. IMO

Neji cannot mimic, he can try to but he won't get the same results. I can copy someones hand movements when they're writing but there's a 9/10 chance I won't get the same words or numbers as them.

Neji couldn't copy movements hence why he simply looked at the guys answers.

All I'm saying is that they don't have the same insight, the Dojutsu's have different context's of insight

 

[HyuugaHeir]

Can you show a scan saying all dojutsu's have precognition? You can't. just stop trying to appease RL.

iirc, you were the one who would stick with the manga so there's that. I can't provide a scan. And RL himself said that it was all conjecture so was I appeasing him? You tell me.

250+posts and you still miss the prevailing point.

 

[whiteboy2345]

Hyuuga Heir you are wrong

not by the comparing the precog stuff since it has never been done (as in no manga panel gives a in depth discussion on what byakugan's precog stuff is) before so that is conjecture

you didn't mention insight but even you know the answer to that one via Kishi's gathered info


trying to bridge gaps doesn't mean we need to make up things to satisfy a uptight fanbase, especially if we easily slaughter them in their own deluded mindsets



byakugan has precog HyuugaHeir

what that precog is, is unknown

having it face against a sharingan precog has never happened

so making assumptions is conjecture

So you are claiming it has precognition but are unaware of what that precog entails? Feat wise we know it doesn't have anything close to precognition and manga-fact wise there isn't a sliver of evidence that supports your view.

 

[00Rinne]

Neji cannot mimic, he can try to but he won't get the same results. I can copy someones hand movements when they're writing but there's a 9/10 chance I won't get the same words or numbers as them.

Neji couldn't copy movements hence why he simply looked at the guys answers.

All I'm saying is that they don't have the same insight, the Dojutsu's have different context's of insight

I agree!.. They do have different insight but the Byaku has the better insight by a tad bit IMO.. Copying is a form of insight/mimicking my man, Sasuke did the same as Neji (Copy,Mimick) but they used 2 different means of copyi/mimick insight to get their results..
Neji's x-ray vision is a mimick insight because he got the same answers as the person he mimicked copied while as you said in Sasuke's sharingan case he wouldn't get the same exact numbers or words with just his copying insight so it's not an exact mimick like Neji which further proves that the Byaku had the better insight..