Can you learn how to absorb chakra or is it a kekkai genkai? Kaguya related?

[ChocolateVanilla]

The fact every MS user has different techniques is all the proof right there.

Even though MS only grants one technique per eye, and Sasuke has Enton and Amaterasu, some people still say he has Tsukuyomi.

 

[WolfHaley]

The fact every MS user has different techniques is all the proof right there.

You guys can say whatever excuse you want, I'm taking Kishi's word over yours.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Even though MS only grants one technique per eye, and Sasuke has Enton and Amaterasu, some people still say he has Tsukuyomi.

They're just too stubborn to accept the obvious.

 

[RaitonOniKairRasengan]

I personally don't see any difference.

Here's another example. Neji could increase or decrease the flow of chakra in someones body by touch, but he could not increase or decrease the chakra flow of a technique or through his own ranged technique

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

You guys can say whatever excuse you want, I'm taking Kishi's word over yours.

Excuse huh?This is why I always have this scan at the ready

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Written by Kishi himself.

 

[WolfHaley]

Even though MS only grants one technique per eye, and Sasuke has Enton and Amaterasu, some people still say he has Tsukuyomi.

Enton isn't even a technique. And who said you can't have more than three eye powers? Obito and Shisui only had one each, obviously there is no set in stone number.

 

[WolfHaley]

Excuse huh?This is why I always have this scan at the ready

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Yeah...you sure showed me. BTW, if that's the link of Sasuke saying "Two powers":

1. Characters have been wrong on countless occassions
2. He had MS for barely any time then, he doesn't know enough about it for his word to be credible.
3. Sasuke didn't even know there were techniques other than Amaterasu, Tsukiyomi and Susano'o at that time.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Enton isn't even a technique. And who said you can't have more than three eye powers? Obito and Shisui only had one each, obviously there is no set in stone number.

Lol, Kamui and Kotoamatsukami are used with both eyes.

Enton is a MS technique and there is no precedent of a MS user having more than 3 eye techniques.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

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Yeah...you sure showed me. BTW, if that's the link of Sasuke saying "Two powers":

1. Characters have been wrong on countless occassions
2. He had MS for barely any time then, he doesn't know enough about it for his word to be credible.
3. Sasuke didn't even know there were techniques other than Amaterasu, Tsukiyomi and Susano'o at that time.

In that case Itachi is wrong as well including the databook entry that described his Susanoo.

You can't just ignore facts when they debunk your argument.

 

[WolfHaley]

Lol, Kamui and Kotoamatsukami are used with both eyes.

Enton is a MS technique and there is no precedent of a MS user having more than 3 eye techniques.

Enton is a nature release, not a technique. Kagutsuchi is the technique.

Used with both eyes doesn't change the fact that no other MS technique were awakened in the eyes of Obito and Shisui, showing that there doesn't have to be 3, the number can vary. The number can very well get to 4.

 

[WolfHaley]

In that case Itachi is wrong as well including the databook entry that described his Susanoo.

You can't just ignore facts when they debunk your argument.

I am not ignoring any facts. The fact is, Sasuke said only those with the double power can awaken Susano'o. But these are also facts:
1. Characters have been wrong on countless occassions
2. He had MS for barely any time then, he doesn't know enough about it for his word to be credible.
3. Sasuke didn't even know there were techniques other than Amaterasu, Tsukiyomi and Susano'o at that time.

You claim I'm ignoring facts that debunk my argument, but here you are ignoring facts that make Sasuke's word less credible.

Here's the thing about that entry. The part that was wrong is where it said all Susano'o hold Yata Mirror and Totsuka Blade. This is wrong because there have been facts that specifically debunk that part about the Mirror and Blade, but not the entire description. Unless you can show me a panel that irrefutably shows that part of the description is wrong, then it stands.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Enton is a nature release, not a technique. Kagutsuchi is the technique.

Used with both eyes doesn't change the fact that no other MS technique were awakened in the eyes of Obito and Shisui, showing that there doesn't have to be 3, the number can vary. The number can very well get to 4.

Nope,Kishi has clearly established that no MS user has more than 3 techniques.

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

Enton is a nature release, not a technique. Kagutsuchi is the technique.

Used with both eyes doesn't change the fact that no other MS technique were awakened in the eyes of Obito and Shisui, showing that there doesn't have to be 3, the number can vary. The number can very well get to 4.

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There are 3 powers to the MS, with Susano'o, the third, being a rarity.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

I am not ignoring any facts. The fact is, Sasuke said only those with the double power can awaken Susano'o. But these are also facts:
1. Characters have been wrong on countless occassions
2. He had MS for barely any time then, he doesn't know enough about it for his word to be credible.
3. Sasuke didn't even know there were techniques other than Amaterasu, Tsukiyomi and Susano'o at that time.

You claim I'm ignoring facts that debunk my argument, but here you are ignoring facts that make Sasuke's word less credible.

Here's the thing about that entry. The part that was wrong is where it said all Susano'o hold Yata Mirror and Totsuka Blade. This is wrong because there have been facts that specifically debunk that part about the Mirror and Blade, but not the entire description. Unless you can show me a panel that irrefutably shows that part of the description is wrong, then it stands.

A blind monkey could tell that the databook described Itachi's Susanoo only.Yet there are some who still cling to that one entry like it's infallible when there's new and fresh info released after the fact.

If you're attacking the credibility of Sasuke's statement then I'll do the same for Itachi since he was'nt the first one to have Susanoo:Indra did.

Itachi's words are no more legit than Sasuke's.

 

[Joshutsu]

I'm pretty sure it can be learned just like chakra transfer can be learned. Because didn't that guy that fought sasuke in chunin exams have chakra absorbing ability?

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

I'm pretty sure it can be learned just like chakra transfer can be learned. Because didn't that guy that fought sasuke in chunin exams have chakra absorbing ability?

Yeah,but there's the possiblity he received enhancements from Orochimaru which would explain the elastic body and chakra absorption.

 

[Joshutsu]

Yeah,but there's the possiblity he received enhancements from Orochimaru which would explain the elastic body and chakra absorption.

That could be true as well. Who knows i guess

 

[WolfHaley]

Nope,Kishi has clearly established that no MS user has more than 3 techniques.

A blind monkey could tell that the databook described Itachi's Susanoo only.Yet there are some who still cling to that one entry like it's infallible when there's new and fresh info released after the fact.

If you're attacking the credibility of Sasuke's statement then I'll do the same for Itachi since he was'nt the first one to have Susanoo:Indra did.

Itachi's words are no more legit than Sasuke's.

Really? Because Itachi used four.

1. Amaterasu
2. Tsukiyomi
3. Susano'o
4. He used a weakened Kagutsuchi when he put out the Amaterasu on Sasuke's body.
It's likely that Itachi unknowingly used a weakened version of Kagutsuchi, the same way Obito unknowingly used Kamui to slip into Madara's hideout. The difference is, Itachi never became fully conscious to the ability of Kagutsuchi, especially because he used his Mangekyo far less than Sasuke.

We've seen Mangekyo users have just one, or two abilities. Shisui had one ability, KA, while Obito had two, two variants of Kamui. The number doesn't have to be three, and Itachi has shown.

Now, let's look at Sasuke having Tsukiyomi or not. Sasuke has shown to use a Genjutsu from his Mangekyo on Killer Bee. This Mangekyo is the opposite one to Amaterasu, and it had the same reverse color scaling as Tsukiyomi, something only Tsukiyomi has shown. When Sasuke used his Genjutsu against Danzo, Danzo specifically compared it to Tsukiyomi. Tsukiyomi isn't a technique Itachi uses often, and Itachi is a genjutsu master, meaning he has many more up his sleeve. Why would Danzo compare Sasuke's genjutsu to Tsukiyomi in particular when Itachi has many other more well-known jutsu? In fact, if we look deeper, why would Danzo compare it specifically to Tsukiyomi's ability to manipulate the perception of time, if Sasuke hadn't used Tsukiyomi. If someone throws a rock at you, would you say the rock is useless, and then stress this by citing the sharpness of a knife? No, when comparing two things, they have to have a similar aspect. Danzo's comparison was that Sasuke's jutsu lacked the ability to manipulate perception of time, and Tsukiyomi is the only Genjutsu known to be able to do such a thing, so obviously, Danzo was saying Sasuke had a weaker Tsukiyomi. All you need is the basic ability to put context clues together.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Really? Because Itachi used four.

1. Amaterasu
2. Tsukiyomi
3. Susano'o
4. He used a weakened Kagutsuchi when he put out the Amaterasu on Sasuke's body.
It's likely that Itachi unknowingly used a weakened version of Kagutsuchi, the same way Obito unknowingly used Kamui to slip into Madara's hideout. The difference is, Itachi never became fully conscious to the ability of Kagutsuchi, especially because he used his Mangekyo far less than Sasuke.

We've seen Mangekyo users have just one, or two abilities. Shisui had one ability, KA, while Obito had two, two variants of Kamui. The number doesn't have to be three, and Itachi has shown.

Now, let's look at Sasuke having Tsukiyomi or not. Sasuke has shown to use a Genjutsu from his Mangekyo on Killer Bee. This Mangekyo is the opposite one to Amaterasu, and it had the same reverse color scaling as Tsukiyomi. When Sasuke used his Genjutsu against Danzo, Danzo specifically compared it to Tsukiyomi. Tsukiyomi isn't a technique Itachi uses often, and Itachi is a genjutsu master, meaning he has many more up his sleeve. Why would Danzo compare Sasuke's genjutsu to Tsukiyomi in particular when Itachi has many other more well-known jutsu? In fact, if we look deeper, why would Danzo compare it specifically to Tsukiyomi's ability to manipulate the perception of time, if Sasuke hadn't used Tsukiyomi. If someone throws a rock at you, would you say the rock is useless, and then stress this by citing the sharpness of a knife? No, when comparing two things, they have to have a similar aspect. Danzo's comparison was that Sasuke's jutsu lacked the ability to manipulate perception of time, and Tsukiyomi is the only Genjutsu known to be able to do such a thing, so obviously, Danzo was saying Sasuke had a weaker Tsukiyomi. All you need is the basic ability to put context clues together.

Kagutsuchi is the ability to shape and manipulate Amaterasu,simply putting it out isn't enough.

Anyways I'm done discussing this since it's going nowhere.Agree to disagree and all that.

 

[WolfHaley]

Kagutsuchi is the ability to shape and manipulate Amaterasu,simply putting it out isn't enough.

Anyways I'm done discussing this since it's going nowhere.Agree to disagree and all that.

Kagutsuchi includes the ability to put out Amaterasu, since Sasuke put out the flames with the eye he uses for Kagutsuchi, and not the eye he uses to cast Amaterasu. I love how people say "agree to disagree" once facts have been presented to their faces and they realize they're wrong. Keep saving face.