Can you FTG or Reverse summon yourself out of Kamuiland?

[Im Still Robin]

He's referring to the fact that Minato should have nothing to worry about if he could just teleport out at will, and that Obito should not be exerting so much effort to put Minato somewhere he can effortlessly escape from despite knowing the rudimentary mechanics of the technique he is battling.

That's like saying...taht's entirely retarded. Why would he even consider that when idk a fking fox is killing people? Yeah no.

He was trying to kill Minato, kamui doesn't kill (it could with the closing of it, but vs minato no).
Minato defeated Obito and out classed Kamui entirely.

It works in many ways I suppose and the most overrated gets out classed by FTG. That's speed, durability, and usefulness.
Spare me the rest, don't bring Minato in this.

Already got destroyed thus crossing Kamui off the fanboy proof list FTG wise.

 

[Zavage10]

Yea Ive learned not to take databook hyperbole as mangafacts.

 

[Ambivalence]

Hah, seriously? There're still people who think it's that easy to get out of Kamui?

1. First and foremost - everyone would be able to escape it that way. Sasuke would have just reversed summoned from the desert Amenominaka, instead, he said: Nothing i do seems to work''. Minato would have no reason to keep avoiding Tobi's attack, Fu and Torune could have reversed summoned, Sasuke and Karin as well, Madara could have done the same, instead he implanted the eye in BZ. Obito also has said on more than one occasion: "As soon as i touch you it's over'', like here[

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2. Reverse summoning works on the concept of your chakra still being connected to the "real" world, a.k.a it needs to be felt that it still exists. However, as stated here[

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], Obito's chakra is completely untraceable, in other words - it doesn't exist in the real world. You can't summon something when it's not in the same dimension as you. Suigetsu only summoned Sasuke because he was a few kilometers away...

 

[TrollingSage]

Hah, seriously? There're still people who think it's that easy to get out of Kamui?

1. First and foremost - everyone would be able to escape it that way. Sasuke would have just reversed summoned from the desert Amenominaka, instead, he said: Nothing i do seems to work''. Minato would have no reason to keep avoiding Tobi's attack, Fu and Torune could have reversed summoned, Sasuke and Karin as well, Madara could have done the same, instead he implanted the eye in BZ. Obito also has said on more than one occasion: "As soon as i touch you it's over'', like here[

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].

2. Reverse summoning works on the concept of your chakra still being connected to the "real" world, a.k.a it needs to be felt that it still exists. However, as stated here[

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], Obito's chakra is completely untraceable, in other words - it doesn't exist in the real world. You can't summon something when it's not in the same dimension as you. Suigetsu only summoned Sasuke because he was a few kilometers away...

Ahem. You don't seem to know how reverse summoning works. I am going to give you a free lesson. Reverse summoning is simply the opposite of a summoning jutsu. The user makes a contract with someone, when the contract is signed, the user can summon said person(animal) at will. Reverse summoning is simply the summon, summoning the user instead of the other way round. In all the examples you used, a reverse summoning wasn't possible because there was no one to do it. Sasuke couldnt reverse summon out of the desert because there was no one to do it. His hawks don't seem to be sentient and the snakes were most likely caught in IT. Madara coulnd't reverse summon out of Kamui because there was no one outside of kamui to reverse summon him. Same with Sasuke and Karin.

 

[The Necromancer]

Ahem. You don't seem to know how reverse summoning works. I am going to give you a free lesson. Reverse summoning is simply the opposite of a summoning jutsu. The user makes a contract with someone, when the contract is signed, the user can summon said person(animal) at will. Reverse summoning is simply the summon, summoning the user instead of the other way round. In all the examples you used, a reverse summoning wasn't possible because there was no one to do it. Sasuke couldnt reverse summon out of the desert because there was no one to do it. His hawks don't seem to be sentient and the snakes were most likely caught in IT. Madara coulnd't reverse summon out of Kamui because there was no one outside of kamui to reverse summon him. Same with Sasuke and Karin.

-Summon Snake
-Tell it to Reverse Summon him
-Dissipate Summoning Contract to send Snake back
-Reverse Summoned U_U

 

[TrollingSage]

-Summon Snake
-Tell it to Reverse Summon him
-Dissipate Summoning Contract to send Snake back
-Reverse Summoned U_U

Snake is caught it IT.

 

[The Necromancer]

Snake is caught it IT.

So was the hawk, and we know how that turned out.

 

[Ambivalence]

Dude, show me at least one scan of someone being reversed summoned from Kamui. Scratch that, show me a scan where a contract animal has reversed summoned someone from any dimension that is not the real one. I gave you facts, it's time you do the same, and 80% of your post sounds like excuses.

The way i see it, the only ones who deny this are Minato/Hashirama fans.

If someone gets Kamui'd (and he's not Kakashi) - owari da. It's that simple..

Snake is caught it IT.

Sasuke's summons are immune to IT once he gained the Rinnegan.

 

[TrollingSage]

So was the hawk, and we know how that turned out.

1. Plot hole
2. The hawks aren't from earth. We saw IT affecting every living thing. That should naturally include summons. We know for a fact the snakes' habitat is on earth. We don't know where the hawks come from so we can only speculate. So yea. It's either a plot hole or the hawks live in a different dimension

Dude, show me at least one scan of someone being reversed summoned from Kamui. Scratch that, show me a scan where a contract animal has reversed summoned someone from any dimension that is not the real one. I gave you facts, it's time you do the same, and 80% of your post sounds like excuses.

The way i see it, the only ones who deny this are Minato/Hashirama fans.

If someone gets Kamui'd (and he's not Kakashi) - owari da. It's that simple..



Sasuke's summons are immune to IT once he gained the Rinnegan.

Uhmm no? They weren't being protected by his susano when IT was cast.

 

[TrollKing]

Kakaland is escapable /thread

 

[Ansatsuken]

That the mystery of that Hawk, where actually he reside, all summon animals home is inside the range of IT

But where is the Hawk home places, in Sasuke dimension or brain?

 

[The Necromancer]

1. Plot hole
2. The hawks aren't from earth. We saw IT affecting every living thing. That should naturally include summons. We know for a fact the snakes' habitat is on earth. We don't know where the hawks come from so we can only speculate. So yea. It's either a plot hole or the hawks live in a different dimension

Ah, the usual speculation, I see.

You could also explain it that Sasuke's rinnegan has the potential to release individuals from IT, and that the Bijuu chakra is only used to do such on a larger scale.

 

[TrollingSage]

Ah, the usual speculation, I see.

You could also explain it that Sasuke's rinnegan has the potential to release individuals from IT, and that the Bijuu chakra is only used to do such on a larger scale.

He would have to be close to that individual to release them. Unless you're trying to say Sasuke magically choose someone to release from IT, even if they're dimensions away, then summon them. Also for the sake of argument lets say Sasuke was able to reverse summon out of the desert. What good does it do. He still won't have a doujutsu capable of travelling to the dimension Naruto is in. In other words, he'll still be separated from Naruto, which is Kaguya's aim.

 

[Angelic.]

That the mystery of that Hawk, where actually he reside, all summon animals home is inside the range of IT

But where is the Hawk home places, in Sasuke dimension or brain?

from his dreams.

ot: thered be no need for tension in the minato obito fight if he could. unless bs.

 

[The Necromancer]

He would have to be close to that individual to release them. Unless you're trying to say Sasuke magically choose someone to release from IT, even if they're dimensions away, then summon them. Also for the sake of argument lets say Sasuke was able to reverse summon out of the desert. What good does it do. He still won't have a doujutsu capable of travelling to the dimension Naruto is in. In other words, he'll still be separated from Naruto, which is Kaguya's aim.

It doesn't matter in that scenario, as Sasuke was already actively trying to escape, saying, "nothing i try is working."

Your personal opinion is of no consequence, as Sasuke's word takes precedence.

Secondly, no. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying Sasuke released the hawk from IT the second he summoned it and made contact with it. It's a far better explanation then "Hawks live in a different dimension..."

 

[dms_kakashi]

Hagoromo summoned kages from past to summon them.
The one who could summon dead couldnt summon them himself.
No one would be as ble to do that

 

[TrollingSage]

It doesn't matter in that scenario, as Sasuke was already actively trying to escape, saying, "nothing i try is working."

Your personal opinion is of no consequence, as Sasuke's word takes precedence.

Secondly, no. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying Sasuke released the hawk from IT the second he summoned it and made contact with it. It's a far better explanation then "Hawks live in a different dimension..."

No. Sasuke was actively trying to get to Naruto. Him escaping from the desert makes no difference at all as he's still separated from Naruto.
Also your argument makes no sense. If the hawk lives on earth like you claim, and Sasuke summoned him and released it from It like you claim, that means he could have done it to the snakes and gotten out of the desert right? So why didnt he? Why will he be able to summon in the lava dimension but not the desert?

 

[The Necromancer]

No. Sasuke was actively trying to get to Naruto. Him escaping from the desert makes no difference at all as he's still separated from Naruto.
Also your argument makes no sense. If the hawk lives on earth like you claim, and Sasuke summoned him and released it from It like you claim, that means he could have done it to the snakes and gotten out of the desert right? So why didnt he? Why will he be able to summon in the lava dimension but not the desert?

Because Reverse Summoning doesn't work. That's the entire point of the thread. :|

Only those with the rinnegan can achieve such a feat because apparently those dimensions have an inherent connection with the rinnegan.

 

[TrollingSage]

Because Reverse Summoning doesn't work. That's the entire point of the thread. :|

Summoning and reverse summoning are for all intents and purposes the same dam technique. If a summon works, a reverse summon should and vice versa. Reverse summoning is simply a summoning technique performed by the summoning animal instead of the human. Same technique different name.

 

[The Necromancer]

Summoning and reverse summoning are for all intents and purposes the same dam technique. If a summon works, a reverse summon should and vice versa.

Except that a snake does not have Sasuke's rinnegan.