Can you FTG or Reverse summon yourself out of Kamuiland?

[Draphsin]

There's actual proof that you can't as it's been attempted & failed.

Naruto gave kakashi some of his

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is able to teleport, since naruto gave kakashi some of that chakra then he should've teleported with the rest of the SA

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, but he didn't.

This is clear proof that not only is there simply no chakra connection between the real world & kamuiland but if there was then using FTG to escape would be impossible.

& As a final nail in the coffin, it's already been established that kamui isn't connected to other s/t jutsus.

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[KingHashirama]

This is all false. FTG does not have a home dimension. Summoning Jutsus do not have a home dimension. You're basing your argument on conjecture.

It does not need a "home dimension". It goes through a dimension to travel to another place, hence the space/time manipulation occurs. Kamui is also a s/t jutsu, why? Because it breaks the dimension barrier.

And you are ignoring the biggest thing of them all.. Summoning jutsu was used to bring them back.

There's actual proof that you can't as it's been attempted & failed.

Naruto gave kakashi some of his

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, this same chakra reactivated after he connected with minato

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.

Everything

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is able to teleport, since naruto gave kakashi some of that chakra then he should've teleported with the rest of the SA

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, but he didn't.

This is clear proof that not only is there simply no chakra connection between the real world & kamuiland but if there was then using FTG to escape would be impossible.

& As a final nail in the coffin, it's already been established that kamui isn't connected to other s/t jutsus.

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Kakashi had lost Naruto's chakra.. just saying.

 

[The Necromancer]

There's actual proof that you can't as it's been attempted & failed.

Naruto gave kakashi some of his

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, this same chakra reactivated after he connected with minato

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.

Everything

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is able to teleport, since naruto gave kakashi some of that chakra then he should've teleported with the rest of the SA

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, but he didn't.

This is clear proof that not only is there simply no chakra connection between the real world & kamuiland but if there was then using FTG to escape would be impossible.

& As a final nail in the coffin, it's already been established that kamui isn't connected to other s/t jutsus.

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Yup.

I guarantee someone will come at you with "he used too much chakra and his cloak disappeared."
Why? Because that's what everyone says to try and counter.

^^ Told you.

It does not need a "home dimension". It goes through a dimension to travel to another place, hence the space/time manipulation occurs. Kamui is also a s/t jutsu, why? Because it breaks the dimension barrier.

And you are ignoring the biggest thing of them all.. Summoning jutsu was used to bring them back.

The only people in the world who have actively traversed the Rinnegan Dimensions are rinnegan users. The fact that Kakashi was astounded by this feat means you can't put the likes of Hagoromo's summoning jutsu on the same level as a dog using reverse summoning. U_U

 

[Conspirator.]

You obviously can't. Otherwise, the whole Minato vs Obito fight was pointless.

 

[Seventh Sama]

There's actual proof that you can't as it's been attempted & failed.

Naruto gave kakashi some of his

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, this same chakra reactivated after he connected with minato

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.

Everything

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is able to teleport, since naruto gave kakashi some of that chakra then he should've teleported with the rest of the SA

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, but he didn't.

This is clear proof that not only is there simply no chakra connection between the real world & kamuiland but if there was then using FTG to escape would be impossible.

& As a final nail in the coffin, it's already been established that kamui isn't connected to other s/t jutsus.

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So it would be impossible for Kaguya to escape kamui then?

 

[Ansatsuken]

Kaguya dimension and Kamui is sealed Dimension, to entering every Kaguya dimensions, even Kamui need to sync with Kaguya portal openning to dimension, Kamui cant entering to other Kaguya dimensions without opening of dimension first, same as Kaguya cant entering Kamui dimension as Kaguya never shown to go to Kamui land.

it take Hagoromo special seal of Kuchiyose no Jutsu, to summoned back all Bijuus and team 7 to earth again.

And for Sasuke able to summon his hawk, maybe the barrier in lava dimension is not as dense as Kaguya core dimension barrier and other far away dimensions barrier

 

[KingHashirama]

You obviously can't. Otherwise, the whole Minato vs Obito fight was pointless.

It pretty much was. Why? Because take out Kamui from Obito, and FTG from Minato.. and Minato destroys Obito, the mere gap between their skills was already huge. And then as shown Obito was still inferior to KAkashi in base skills.

The whole fight ended in 5 minutes.. of course it was pointless.. the only impact it had was , that it was Minato's old student.

Kaguya dimension and Kamui is sealed Dimension, to entering every Kaguya dimensions, even Kamui need to sync with Kaguya portal openning to dimension, Kamui cant entering to other Kaguya dimensions without opening of dimension first, same as Kaguya cant entering Kamui dimension as Kaguya never shown to go to Kamui land.

it take Hagoromo special seal of Kuchiyose no Jutus, to summoned back all Bijuus and team 7 to earth again.

Because you have to be contracted to Summon... The seal that Hagoromo did was for the Kage to summon them back, because he didn't have enough chakra.. now before you question the chakra aspect.. its because they were going to summon back Naruto and Sasuke.

So only people who can reverse summon Naruto are the frogs.. but Naruto ain't summon no frog..

 

[The Necromancer]

So it would be impossible for Kaguya to escape kamui then?

No, she could. There is a distinct difference between hers and obito's dimensional control as opposed to FTG and standard summoning jutsus.

Kaguya dimension and Kamui is sealed Dimension, to entering every Kaguya dimensions, even Kamui need to sync with Kaguya portal openning to dimension, Kamui cant entering to other Kaguya dimensions without opening of dimension first, same as Kaguya cant entering Kamui dimension as Kaguya never shown to go to Kamui land.

it take Hagoromo special seal of Kuchiyose no Jutus, to summoned back all Bijuus and team 7 to earth again.

Again. Yes.

 

[Draphsin]

Kakashi had lost Naruto's chakra.. just saying.

Then that proves there is no chakra connection, meaning minato can't access his kunai in the real world. Either way there's no way it's happening.

Yup.

I guarantee someone will come at you with "he used too much chakra and his cloak disappeared."
Why? Because that's what everyone says to try and counter.

Well that doesn't really work because the cloak immediately disappeared after he entered the dimension, meaning there's no chakra connection. Using one kamui warp wouldn't make his entire cloak disappear either.

So it would be impossible for Kaguya to escape kamui then?

Yes, but it would be near impossible for a kamui user to trap her inside.

 

[KingHashirama]

Yup.

I guarantee someone will come at you with "he used too much chakra and his cloak disappeared."
Why? Because that's what everyone says to try and counter.

^^ Told you.


The only people in the world who have actively traversed the Rinnegan Dimensions are rinnegan users. The fact that Kakashi was astounded by this feat means you can't put the likes of Hagoromo's summoning jutsu on the same level as a dog using reverse summoning. U_U

Kakashi doesn't even know about the technique.. rofl, him being astounded during the whole fight doesn't suggest anything.

And furthermore, the dog can reverse summon, if he has enough chakra to. Hagoromo had to do a special seal because he needed all the Kages to summon them. Furthermore, it took HAgoromo, because he is the only one with the contract to NAruto and Sasuke. To add on to that it needed all the Kages because they were summoning back Sasuke and Naruto with the tailed beasts also...

Then that proves there is no chakra connection, meaning minato can't access his kunai in the real world. Either way there's no way it's happening.



Well that doesn't really work because the cloak immediately disappeared after he entered the dimension, meaning there's no chakra connection. Using one kamui warp wouldn't make his entire cloak disappear either.



Yes, but it would be near impossible for a kamui user to trap her inside.

So chakra connection = he can't teleport via reverse summon? what?

FTG = teleporting to the seal.... Minato can teleport people who are connected to his chakra to the seal...

 

[Ansatsuken]

It pretty much was. Why? Because take out Kamui from Obito, and FTG from Minato.. and Minato destroys Obito, the mere gap between their skills was already huge. And then as shown Obito was still inferior to KAkashi in base skills.

The whole fight ended in 5 minutes.. of course it was pointless.. the only impact it had was , that it was Minato's old student.


Because you have to be contracted to Summon... The seal that Hagoromo did was for the Kage to summon them back, because he didn't have enough chakra.. now before you question the chakra aspect.. its because they were going to summon back Naruto and Sasuke.

So only people who can reverse summon Naruto are the frogs.. but Naruto ain't summon no frog..

It not that easy, every dimension I can said is not same in barrier density although Kishi not show it. Lava dimension is the first dimension they go, that mean this dimension is the closet to earth than the other dimensions like core dimension.

The key word here is-Barrier density, if barrier density is not present, Kamui can breach Kaguya dimensions without problem by sensing other dimensions chakra.

 

[The Necromancer]

Kakashi doesn't even know about the technique.. rofl, him being astounded during the whole fight doesn't suggest anything.

And furthermore, the dog can reverse summon, if he has enough chakra to. Hagoromo had to do a special seal because he needed all the Kages to summon them. Furthermore, it took HAgoromo, because he is the only one with the contract to NAruto and Sasuke. To add on to that it needed all the Kages because they were summoning back Sasuke and Naruto with the tailed beasts also...



or that proves Kakashi went all out against Obito in his fight.....

Did you read a word of either of the comments you just replied to? Your response would suggest that you didn't.

 

[KingHashirama]

It not that easy, every dimension I can said is not same in barrier density although Kishi not show it. Lava dimension is the first dimension they go, that mean this dimension is the closet to earth than the other dimensions like core dimension.

yup, yet the Kage still summon them back.

Did you read a word of either of the comments you just replied to? Your response would suggest that you didn't.

Your post being countered suggests that i didn't read?

you kept talking about KAakshi being astonished = countered

you talked about the difference between dog reverse summon and hagoromo's = showed you the difference in the situation..

come on now man.

 

[The Necromancer]

yup, yet the Kage still summon them back.


Your post being countered suggests that i didn't read?

you kept talking about KAakshi being astonished = countered

you talked about the difference between dog reverse summon and hagoromo's = showed you the difference in the situation..

come on now man.

"Countered." Except that you missed the entire point of both of our posts. I always seem to forget why people don't take you seriously, but here you are.

 

[Ansatsuken]

yup, yet the Kage still summon them back.


Your post being countered suggests that i didn't read?

you kept talking about KAakshi being astonished = countered

you talked about the difference between dog reverse summon and hagoromo's = showed you the difference in the situation..

come on now man.

That seal is from or create by Hagoromo that having knowledge over space and time, also earth and pure world. He need previous Kages is because he don't have enough chakra.

 

[Im Still Robin]

You obviously can't. Otherwise, the whole Minato vs Obito fight was pointless.

Wtf are you talking about pointless?

Minato owned kamui in seconds.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Kamui being inescapable was hyperbole. Gotenks can scream and rip the dimension apart

 

[The Necromancer]

Wtf are you talking about pointless?

Minato owned kamui in seconds.

He's referring to the fact that Minato should have nothing to worry about if he could just teleport out at will, and that Obito should not be exerting so much effort to put Minato somewhere he can effortlessly escape from despite knowing the rudimentary mechanics of the technique he is battling.

 

[TrollingSage]

Kakashi was astounded that Sasuke was able to summon his hawk into one of Kaguya's dimensions, and no one questioned the fact that they were stuck there after she was sealed.

The fact that Hagoromo had to summon them back is proof enough for me that reverse summoning would not work, as all of them had the potential to do it.

No it isn't. The summons would have been trapped in IT along with the rest of humanity. There wouldn't be anyone to reverse summon them

He's referring to the fact that Minato should have nothing to worry about if he could just teleport out at will, and that Obito should not be exerting so much effort to put Minato somewhere he can effortlessly escape from despite knowing the rudimentary mechanics of the technique he is battling.

Minato didnt know anything about kamui when Obito used it on him. Of course he was going to avoid it.
Also Obito hardly knew anything about the mechanics behind Minato's FTG. He didnt even know he could teleport to moving targets

 

[KingHashirama]

"Countered." Except that you missed the entire point of both of our posts. I always seem to forget why people don't take you seriously, but here you are.

dude stop trying to act like you are right... rofl. You miss other people's point , but you wanna claim I missed you are right. And that whole "why people don't take you seriously" crap doesn't work on me.

That seal is from or create by Hagoromo that having knowledge over space and time, also earth and pure world. He need previous Kages is because he don't have enough chakra.

yup, because he gave his chakra to NAruto and SAsuke. That form wouldn't be needed if he had the chakra himself to summon them.. soo yea. Again, it was a summoning jutsu...... all summonging jutsus have different "Seals" initially.. but are still summoning jutsus. And furthermore, he has an automatic contract with them.

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