[Discussion] Can you explain Obito's quote?

[Angelic.]

Obito has a character in place and to make us believe that it was him to the very last minute, he stayed in character. It makes sense seeing as how extremely deep cover agents or people who are really imitating others have to act, speak and think like them. If he broke character, he might have broken it in front of the others at a sooner point. I think Kishi had him say this to keep us fooled.

I also think that Obito did originally plan to revive Madara as Madara would help to finish the plan. The thing is, is that he didn't want Madara to be the jinchuuriki of the Juubi. But once he had kabuto, I think Obito used it to his advantage to seal the Juubi as supposedly Madara couldn't as an edo (even though Minato managed the Kyuubi).

Also, at the time of these quotes, Obito still had Madara's seal on him, which may have effected his personality and thought patterns, it wasn't until Kakashi stabbed Obito in the chest that Obito was actually able to defy Madara, but that was well after Madara was revived as an edo.

obito was defying madara the whole time. bz even said it. obito still continued to be cray cray until naruto tnj'd him.

 

[ssjelf]

obito was defying madara the whole time. bz even said it. obito still continued to be cray cray until naruto tnj'd him.

No he only defied him once he sealed the juubi. He might have wanted to, but there was no explicit act. You might be able to argue he never revived Madara, but once pain died, he wasn't able to.

 

[Angelic.]

No he only defied him once he sealed the juubi. He might have wanted to, but there was no explicit act. You might be able to argue he never revived Madara, but once pain died, he wasn't able to.

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[ssjelf]

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I never said they were on friendly terms. Sassy Obito is sassy, but as we can see, he also couldn't do anything to disobey, if Madara had specifically not wanted Obito to talk back, he wouldn't have let him. Obito was never Madaras friend, or ally, but they shared common goals, and Madara planed it so that anything Obito did was actually serving Madaras purpose.

I really wouldn't call that defying either, he just was making his stance clear, but at the moment they were still forced to work together. Obito wanted to be in control, but anything that he did was allowed by Madara up until Kakashi stabbed the seal off of him. He could have been lying to zetsu, but I really don't think so. He clearly needed Madaras help to fend off the alliance and he knew that. He knew the power of the shinobi and he knew the power Madara possessed was needed to help with his goals. He knew all of this and planed accordingly up until pain threw a wrench in that plan. No Obito did not want Madara to be the Jinchuuriki, but his actions could not stop it until he removed the curse seal. He wanted to defy, but he couldn't make any action that was explicitly against Madaras will.

I can't call that scan defiance, but a stating of how their position is laid out and why Madara hadn't already blasted the Shinobi alliance to bits. It was backtalk, but he really couldn't do anything to further his puspose and Obito knew this because he knew about the curse seal.

Even if you consider that an act of defiance, then I simply need to restate my previous statement. In that just because Obito was defying Madara, does not mean that he didn't want to revive him. As your scan indicates, Obito had a (perceived) position of power over Madara. This in know way contradicts what I said in my previous post, he still wanted to revive Madara because he needed him.

 

[minamoto]

its not lol
obito was completely concious the whole time proven in the flashbacks after the im in hell chapter. and knew of the curse puppet seal on him too.

he showed kisame his face in hidden mist and again before the war started.

he didn't write to you..he commented on my vid...he said it made sence...its not your buisness annoy the poeple who believe in me...

 

[minamoto]

this was interesting and could be true

hey bro thx a lot..plz dont listen to those retarded who are trying to talknojutsu you...the mystery of tobi isn't over..everything will be revealed in the end about tobi's reall identity...MADARA IS THE TRUE TOBI....plzzz believe me

 

[minamoto]

lol me too i think its gonna be hilarious once that is revealed and everyone sits there on his posts and laughs at him.

ok lets make a bet...what you propose if im either wrong or right..i promise im gonna do it...

 

[minamoto]

I can't wait to see what he is going to say when Spiral reveals to be Yamato XD

what i care is the 2nd madara's reveal more then i care about spiral zetsu's reveal....just to clarify things

 

[-ahhimane-]

It's true Obito was planning to become the one who will cast IT over the world without resurrecting Madara. But this plan was only to himself. He didn't include Zetsus in his plan. But in the posted scan, he was saying as if he planned to revive Madara by using Sasuke to do the job which was assigned to Nagato. That's why he was saying in favor of Madara so that Zetsu would believe in him still being loyal to Madara.

 

[minamoto]

It's true Obito was planning to become the one who will cast IT over the world without resurrecting Madara. But this plan was only to himself. He didn't include Zetsus in his plan. But in the posted scan, he was saying as if he planned to revive Madara by using Sasuke to do the job which was assigned to Nagato. That's why he was saying in favor of Madara so that Zetsu would believe in him still being loyal to Madara.

you are completly wrong...that was the 2nd madara inside obito's body controlling him..who spoke and said nagato shoudlve revived him with rinnetensei...why you guys can't see throught kishimoto's deception?

 

[-ahhimane-]

you are completly wrong...that was the 2nd madara inside obito's body controlling him..who spoke and said nagato shoudlve revived him with rinnetensei...why you guys can't see throught kishimoto's deception?

I think you can't see through the deception here, because even if they were chatting among them, the main audience is us. If Tobi had said that nagato was meant to revive Uchiha Madara (instead of saying me) then isn't it obvious for us to assume that Tobi isn't Madara actually but someone else?

 

[minamoto]

I think you can't see through the deception here, because even if they were chatting among them, the main audience is us. If Tobi had said that nagato was meant to revive Uchiha Madara (instead of saying me) then isn't it obvious for us to assume that Tobi isn't Madara actually but someone else?

TOBI IS MADARA...ANOTHER MADARA WAS INSIDE OBITO...THE EMPTY SHELL OF MADARA...and now he is inside the spiral zetsu...the masked man is still the finall villain...the obito part of the masked man was talknojutsued
...but the boss part is madara...while spiral zetsu was the goofy tobi...its goingto be revealed very soon...madara will prove to the allied shinobis that reality is indeed full of lies ..and that his MEP is worth implementing...itachi was right when he said tobi was madara...as well as kisame...you arejust victim of kishimoto's illsuion if you think the masked man was just obito

 

[-ahhimane-]

TOBI IS MADARA...ANOTHER MADARA WAS INSIDE OBITO...THE EMPTY SHELL OF MADARA...and now he is inside the spiral zetsu...the masked man is still the finall villain...the obito part of the masked man was talknojutsued
...but the boss part is madara...while spiral zetsu was the goofy tobi...its goingto be revealed very soon...madara will prove to the allied shinobis that reality is indeed full of lies ..and that his MEP is worth implementing...itachi was right when he said tobi was madara...as well as kisame...you arejust victim of kishimoto's illsuion if you think the masked man was just obito

You're already under I.T. Lol
DOn't jump to conclusions as if saying fact. Wait for the SZ revelations then we'll talk in this same thread. :bye:

 

[Byron123]

It's true Obito was planning to become the one who will cast IT over the world without resurrecting Madara. But this plan was only to himself. He didn't include Zetsus in his plan. But in the posted scan, he was saying as if he planned to revive Madara by using Sasuke to do the job which was assigned to Nagato. That's why he was saying in favor of Madara so that Zetsu would believe in him still being loyal to Madara.

you are completly wrong...that was the 2nd madara inside obito's body controlling him..who spoke and said nagato shoudlve revived him with rinnetensei...why you guys can't see throught kishimoto's deception?

Lol minamoto you really are pathetic.

That guy gives a very logical argument and what you do? You say to him that he's wrong and that's based on what? On your hunch? Give me a break, that's always your problem, you think that nice words and ideas can become a theory but unless you're ready to use your logic - if you have any- and to counter logical arguments, no one will ever take you seriously, or let me rephrase it, no one who is serious will take you seriously. So far who are your supporters? Scorezor? Lol that deserves a credit, a troll like him would support anything that is irrational.

And the very fact that you actually beg people to believe in you.... a good theorist doesn't need such cheap methods, if his work is good the persuasion will come on its own, if not, it will happen what always happens to you.

 

[minamoto]

You're already under I.T. Lol
DOn't jump to conclusions as if saying fact. Wait for the SZ revelations then we'll talk in this same thread. :bye:

ok i accept that but 1st plz you have to read my 2 threads so you can understand what im talkin about :

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[rollin]

The original plan was to capture all bijuus, revive madara, then do infinite tsukuyomi
Sasuke failed in catching killer bee and Nagato didn't capture naruto, and instead of reviving madara, used rinne tensei on konoha
That's what obito meant Nagato messed up the original plan

 

[Byron123]

It's true Obito was planning to become the one who will cast IT over the world without resurrecting Madara. But this plan was only to himself. He didn't include Zetsus in his plan. But in the posted scan, he was saying as if he planned to revive Madara by using Sasuke to do the job which was assigned to Nagato. That's why he was saying in favor of Madara so that Zetsu would believe in him still being loyal to Madara.

you are completly wrong...that was the 2nd madara inside obito's body controlling him..who spoke and said nagato shoudlve revived him with rinnetensei...why you guys can't see throught kishimoto's deception?

The original plan was to capture all bijuus, revive madara, then do infinite tsukuyomi
Sasuke failed in catching killer bee and Nagato didn't capture naruto, and instead of reviving madara, used rinne tensei on konoha
That's what obito meant Nagato messed up the original plan

Doesn't matter, I got my answer anyway.

 

[Draven]

byron123 if i were you id have this thread closed since you got your answer minamoto is just using your thread to spam his theory that over half of the NB has blown holes through.

 

[minamoto]

byron123 if i were you id have this thread closed since you got your answer minamoto is just using your thread to spam his theory that over half of the NB has blown holes through.

h8er!!!!!!!

 

[Fluffyman]

He was speaking with Zetsu.

Zetsu is Madara (his will).

Obito had his very own plan but had to play a role to fool Zetsu/Madara.