[Discussion] Can Whitebeard beat Mihawk?

[A v i]

The dude is primary a swordsman and he pulls out a gun which isn't even his art of expertise, and then he'll immediately gain advantage over the guy who just trashed all of your greatest moves. Where the f*** is logic in this shit? Unless Mihawk is somehow weak against whatever the alternative his opponent chooses to use(akin to Sanji VS Wanze) against him, it is practically and completely impossible to happen. It's the same as Zoro's city busting swordplay getting trashed by a dude, then Zoro immediately gaining the advantage using hand to hand combat which is beyond what we call ridiculous.

It'll be something like this:

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[LBeezy]

Again with the irony. You're missing my point: The conversation is now pointless.

Yes, they are nothing but imagination. Because Shanks being faster is only in your imagination. Shanks using a gun, imagination. Mihawk's Haki, Shanks Haki, their endurance, their speed, it's all imagination because the manga hasn't shown it to us.

COULD a person beat Mihawk with their DF, etc.? For now, no. For now, his title implies that even with a Devil Fruit or martial arts or marksmanship, a swordsman would still lose.

The last part is wrong.. you're missing the point, because you're acting like it's a fact when it's not.

The only fact is that Mihawk is the strongest at swordsmanship.

He can be defeated by another swordsman if said swordsman has other means of attack..

It's as simple as that.

If you don't understand that, then yes, the conversation is pointless.. because your being way too stubborn to not see that simple logic bro..

 

[A v i]

The last part is wrong.. you're missing the point, because you're acting like it's a fact when it's not.

The only fact is that Mihawk is the strongest at swordsmanship.

He can be defeated by another swordsman if said swordsman has other means of attack..

It's as simple as that.

If you don't understand that, then yes, the conversation is pointless.. because your being way too stubborn to not see that simple logic bro..

In other words, If Fujitora, hypothetically, launches a country level flying slash at light speed, then Mihawk will counter it since it's a sword based attack. But if he drops a city sized meteor at mach speed, Mihawk will be hopeless as it ain't a sword based attack. Is that what you guys are trying to imply?

 

[chopstickchakra]

In other words, If Fujitora, hypothetically, launches a country level flying slash at light speed, then Mihawk will counter it since it's a sword based attack. But if he drops a city sized meteor at mach speed, Mihawk will be hopeless as it ain't a sword based attack. Is that what you guys are trying to imply?

First of all no one is saying it's a guarantee he'd lose we're saying the title isn't a guaranteed win. No one's saying he'd be helpless either just saying that 2nd offensive method may be able to overcome Mihawk. No one is saying the fight would suddenly become an easy victory for them by changing their fighting style. Also why are you downgrading the attack? If Mihawk blocked a country wide level attack then it would take at least a country wide attack in the other form to be viable why would you intentionally decrease the scale of the attack when it isn't swords then act like it's a counter point?

 

[Punk Hazard]

The last part is wrong.. you're missing the point, because you're acting like it's a fact when it's not.

The only fact is that Mihawk is the strongest at swordsmanship.

That's your interpretation. The other is that Mihawk is overall stronger than any swordsman.

He can be defeated by another swordsman if said swordsman has other means of attack..

It's as simple as that.

But he won't, because he's the strongest of any man who holds the title of Swordsman.

 

[LBeezy]

First of all no one is saying it's a guarantee he'd lose we're saying the title isn't a guaranteed win. No one's saying he'd be helpless either just saying that 2nd offensive method may be able to overcome Mihawk. Also why are you downgrading the attack? If Mihawk blocked a country wide level attack then it would take at least a country wide attack in the other form to be viable why would you intentionally decrease the scale of the attack when it isn't swords then act like it's a counter point?

This.

In response to A v i.

That's your interpretation. The other is that Mihawk is overall stronger than any swordsman.


But he won't, because he's the strongest of any man who holds the title of Swordsman.

It's not my "interpretation" bro.. it is what the title (that Oda made) means..


You can't brush that off as fact.. simply your opinion..

 

[chopstickchakra]

That's your interpretation. The other is that Mihawk is overall stronger than any swordsman.


But he won't, because he's the strongest of any man who holds the title of Swordsman.

Swordsman in and of itself isn't really a title though it's an adjective that describes a persons fighting method. WSS is a title that classifies a particular swordsman as the top of that category of fighters. Once a fighter stops participating in that category of fighting the WSS guarantee is moot though. Beezy and I are using the literal definition of the phrase, you're applying an over reaching interpretation that grants him an auto win over anyone who carries a sword.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Swordsman in and of itself isn't really a title though it's an adjective that describes a persons fighting method. WSS is a title that classifies a particular swordsman as the top of that category of fighters. Once a fighter stops participating in that category of fighting the WSS guarantee is moot though. Beezy and I are using the literal definition of the phrase, you're applying an over reaching interpretation that grants him an auto win over anyone who carries a sword.

It's a noun in this context, just like martial artist. The fighting method would be swordsmanship, so I'ma stick to my more correct interpretation.

 

[chopstickchakra]

It's a noun in this context, just like martial artist. The fighting method would be swordsmanship, so I'ma stick to my more correct interpretation.

Correct in your head but not a dictionary. But if that's what you feel good with go for it. For now that's all either sides have.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Correct in your head but not a dictionary. But if that's what you feel good with go for it. For now that's all either sides have.

If I think it's correct then obviously it's correct ***** lmao

 

[A v i]

This.

In response to A v i.

First of all no one is saying it's a guarantee he'd lose we're saying the title isn't a guaranteed win. No one's saying he'd be helpless either just saying that 2nd offensive method may be able to overcome Mihawk. No one is saying the fight would suddenly become an easy victory for them by changing their fighting style. Also why are you downgrading the attack? If Mihawk blocked a country wide level attack then it would take at least a country wide attack in the other form to be viable why would you intentionally decrease the scale of the attack when it isn't swords then act like it's a counter point?

Like adding a "may be" is going to change what you guys have been trying to imply. :yeah: The title is enough warrant victory; Provided the radom shit like cheating and natural disadvantages are ignored. It's because he can beat any swordsman that the world acknowledged him to be the strongest. There is noway around it. Now, let's see if the person in question "may be" able to win if he changes the way he fights like you seem to imply;

Why am I downgrading the attack? Why should I not? It isn't his art of expertise, How must the secondary skill of the person in question be able to match his art of expertise? Unless you want the person in question to be assumed to have his secondary fighting method to be as great and as good as his primary fighting style. Lets, consider this a possibility and assume, hypothetically, that there exists a swordsman whose meteor dropping skills are as good as his swordsmanship; he now drops a country sized Meteor at light speed, What does it change? It changes absolutely nothing. The meteor gets trashed the same as the country level slash. It doesn't matter if it's a light speed bullet from a riffle/icebergs of the size of a country/biscuits or strings with country level durability or whatever; The guy just won't be beaten by them for they still will be within his range of capabilities.

^^^This is exactly what happened in Zoro VS Kaku or even Zoro VS Daz for that matter.

In general, If you have a primary method of fighting then every other skill of yours pales in comparison to it. It is rather rare, especially, for swordsman, to be that good at something other than their own art of expertise. Your "if's and may be's" only work in very rare and special cases like;


1)When the said secondary method is Mihawk's weakness or something that he can't fight against akin to Zoro VS Perona.
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2)Mihawk is at disadvantage:- Like him not being able to fight at best. E.g: Fighting a Fisherman swordsman of his caliber in water.

3) Involvement of cheating/ cunning methods.

Other than these, the only other way Mihawk may lose against a person with swordsmanship as his primary method of fighting is when the said person is stronger than him.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Like adding a "may be" is going to change what you guys have been trying to imply. :yeah: The title is enough warrant victory; Provided the radom shit like cheating and natural disadvantages are ignored. It's because he can beat any swordsman that the world acknowledged him to be the strongest. There is noway around it. Now, let's see if the person in question "may be" able to win if he changes the way he fights like you seem to imply;

I haven't been implying anything, I've been saying outright the title WSS doesn't guarantee you a victory over every opponent just because their primary is a sword IF they have other strong fighting styles they can utilize.

Why am I downgrading the attack? Why should I not? It isn't his art of expertise, How must the secondary skill of the person in question be able to match his art of expertise? Unless you want the person in question to be assumed to have his secondary fighting method to be as great and as good as his primary fighting style. Lets, consider this a possibility and assume, hypothetically, that there exists a swordsman whose meteor dropping skills are as good as his swordsmanship; he now drops a country sized Meteor at light speed, What does it change? It changes absolutely nothing. The meteor gets trashed the same as the country level slash. It doesn't matter if it's a light speed bullet from a riffle/icebergs of the size of a country/biscuits or strings with country level durability or whatever; The guy just won't be beaten by them for they still will be within his range of capabilities.

First of all to say definitively Issho is a swordsman and his DF isn't his primary(or even equal or close to his swordsmanship) when we've seen him use his DF almost exclusively just because he has a sword is reaching.

You guys keep overthinking this, Mihawk can lose against a sword user who is using a different fighting style than swords(though the amount of people that would hold true for can be counted on one hand, I'm not saying every swordsman opponent could do this only a rare few like Issho, Shanks etc.); if the World's best Jiujitsu practitioner fought a 3rd degree Jiujitsu blackbelt who also happened to practice Muay Thai and was only a blue tassel(his 2nd skill is significantly below his primary-Jiujitsu) the WBJ would win in every aspect of the fight in regard to JJ but if the 3rd degree started using his Muay Thai then the chance appears for him to take the fight. That's all I've been saying, the introduction of a new fighting style would create a chance for victory that wouldn't exist while holding a sword. The chance exists whether you want to ignore/accept it or not

^^^This is exactly what happened in Zoro VS Kaku or even Zoro VS Daz for that matter.

In general, If you have a primary method of fighting then every other skill of yours pales in comparison to it. It is rather rare, especially, for swordsman, to be that good at something other than their own art of expertise. Your "if's and may be's" only work in very rare and special cases like;


1)When the said secondary method is Mihawk's weakness or something that he can't fight against akin to Zoro VS Perona.
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2)Mihawk is at disadvantage:- Like him not being able to fight at best. E.g: Fighting a Fisherman swordsman of his caliber in water.

3) Involvement of cheating/ cunning methods.

Other than these, the only other way Mihawk may lose against a person with swordsmanship as his primary method of fighting is when the said person is stronger than him.

Who cares if they work in special or rare cases, if they work once it proves what I've been saying that the WSS title doesn't auto grant the W. Also the core difference between my side and yours is we(I) acknowledge neither side can say as a fact, you on the other hand keep using language that's declarative as if you know for a fact no one who holds a sword will ever beat Mihawk via alternate methods just because you don't believe it should happen.

 

[LBeezy]

If I think it's correct then obviously it's correct ***** lmao

Lmao.. this is how you act when you're proven wrong? Wow Black Hippy, lol, wow.. xd

 

[Love Cook]

COULD a person beat Mihawk with their DF, etc.? For now, no. For now, his title implies that even with a Devil Fruit or martial arts or marksmanship, a swordsman would still lose.

That is not at all with that title implies and you know it very well you're just wiggling yourself out of it.

Take for example Kin'nemon or Vista they both have swordstyles with abilities

If Mihawk would get done in by one of those abilities did Mihawk lose a sword fight then ?

Again, I'm not giving Shanks any abilities that haven't been shown.

Mihawk is the strongest person in the world in a swordfight that is what the title implies. There still can be stronger people who utilize a sword in a fight like Shanks for example.

It's really laughable how much you're defending this while Mihawk wanted to test the gap between himself and Whitebeard, and your previous comment about that the he might wanted to see because he thought he could be stronger is ridiculous because it's totally out of context because it happened when WB was being introduced as the strongest man alive. Those are Oda's own words so go spindoctor away on that. There is a big gap between Mihawk and a yonkou.

Just by hype, portrayal and titles Shanks and Whitebeard have Mihawk beat.

 

[Bogard]

Lmao look at the trolls coming out of their hiding. The only characters who have better hype than Mihawk in this manga are Whitebeard, Roger and Kaido. For everyone else it's debatable and certainly not Shanks who is ranked as a lower rival in swords in this manga.

Also, the bullshits about secondarily fighting style needs to stop. It doesn't matter if you can kick or punch. What matters is where your fighting style is best at. Even if you can kick or punch, if your kicking or punching fighting style is weaker than your swords fighting style where you're already weaker than Mihawk, it would simply mean that using that, you'd only lose worse since you only fight at your best with swords where you're below Mihawk

 

[Punk Hazard]

Lmao.. this is how you act when you're proven wrong? Wow Black Hippy, lol, wow.. xd

You didn't prove anything. You're repeating your interpretation and calling it facts because it's what you believe. I was mocking you

 

[Bogard]

Genuinely curious, what do you think WB's best destructive feat was at Marineford?

Dannie already replied. Besides he is the only top tier who received the hype to be a lifewiper, so it makes sense for him to be the most destructive of the top tiers

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Mihawk is the strongest person in the world in a swordfight that is what the title implies. There still can be stronger people who utilize a sword in a fight like Shanks for example.

It's really laughable how much you're defending this while Mihawk wanted to test the gap between himself and Whitebeard, and your previous comment about that the he might wanted to see because he thought he could be stronger is ridiculous because it's totally out of context because it happened when WB was being introduced as the strongest man alive. Those are Oda's own words so go spindoctor away on that. There is a big gap between Mihawk and a yonkou.

Just by hype, portrayal and titles Shanks and Whitebeard have Mihawk beat.

While I agree that Whitebeard even in old age was portrayed as stronger than Mihawk, I respectfully disagree with gap between being enormous, and even more with the gap between Mihawk and Shanks are big.

What hype and portrayal Shanks got to be considering a lot stronger than Mihawk?

Every time Shanks was seen fighting or ready to fight, he draw his sword (Edd War, Marineford War, vs Whitebeard), which is suggesting he is primary swordsmen. While it's possible he got some devil fruit or that his other abilities (Haki, Speed, Durability) is better than Mihawk's it's nothing suggesting that (except maybe haki, but it's weird if Mihawk isn't good haki user).

It's up to speculation, but what is known is that Shanks spent year in weakest Blue, Mihawk somehow got title best swordsman. Before that, Mihawk often sought Shanks for a battle, why did he wanted to battle Shanks and not some other guy like Kaido, Doflamingo, etc.

If I am going to reconstruct event, Mihawk won their last battle, Shanks as fellow swordsman was ashamed so he hide in East Blue for a while, Mihawk got title best swordsmen after the battle.

Shanks later returned and become a Yonko, did he become stronger after East Blue (did he ate DF, or improve his other abillites) is up to speculation like text above. But it's entirely possible.

Shanks' title Yonko title. Mihawk's title is Shichibukai.

In order to be Yonko you need to conquer many teritories and have large crew on companions. Whitebeard Pirates had 16,017 members with a lot of allies. Beast Pirates have 500 artificial devil fruit user (+ likely many other members with real devil fruit abilities) and many allies as well.

Mihawk is shown sa long wolf, therefore can't become a Yonko.

Shichibukai were said to be equal in strength with Yonkos. Some of the Shichibukais were nothing compared to Yonko, so it would be only naturally for someone out of Shichibukai (Mihawk) to be on Yonko level.

Lmao look at the trolls coming out of their hiding. The only characters who have better hype than Mihawk in this manga are Whitebeard, Roger and Kaido.

Kaido was never hyped to be better than Mihawk, Shanks, Big Mom or BB.

He was hyped to be strongest zoan user. His title is same as Mihawk's. While Mihawk is Strongest out of all swordsman, Kaido is strongest out of all zoan users.

Before, guys starts with he was called strongest creature and strongest thing.

Creature is word used for animal (humans are animals, but they are always excluded from that group). Zoan Devil Fruit have animal theme.

Word "strongest thing" is sure one wouldn't use for human being.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Dannie already replied. Besides he is the only top tier who received the hype to be a lifewiper, so it makes sense for him to be the most destructive of the top tiers

A lifewiper? That's the first time I've heard that term, is that related to his powers being able to lay waste to the world? Cuz if it is, that's a pretty cool name for it

 

[Bogard]

A lifewiper? That's the first time I've heard that term, is that related to his powers being able to lay waste to the world? Cuz if it is, that's a pretty cool name for it

It's another term for planet destroyers(or close) used in the destructive capacity section in OBD battledome:

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I agree, it sounds cooler than planet destroyer, that's why i prefer using it xd