They're not ants but they're not in the same league compared to their captain either. I doubt Jack is in the same league as Kaido. Same with Big Mam and Cracker. These commanders are strong yes, but not in the same league of their yonko.
Then why the hell do ya'll put Zoro as close a bit to Luffy? Why are Rayleigh and Scopper even regarded as Legendary? Why the hell did Beckman scare Kizaru?
I'm asking for evidence and premises, not more claims and conclusions.
As far as I know Luffy is much stronger than Zoro or Sanji, so not sure what you mean by that. Don't think I ever seen anyone say that Zoro is close to Luffy in power.
Lol, ain't that what this thread is for? Opinions and what we think based on what we see in the manga. If we actually knew how strong everyone was then we wouldn't have these versus threads, so of course we are going to make guesses based on what we have seen. Oda will not straight out tell us which characters are stronger then who.
People count Zoro on Luffy's level not exactly but quite close(That's where the "Zoro-senpai" troll comes from). Secondly they regard Rayleigh somewhere quite close to Roger. Garp: "we cannot clash with 2 legendary figures at the same time, so if you spot Rayleigh in Soabody act like you saw nothing" <== garp's commands.
Hence why I'm befuddled on your insistence of continuously giving claims with no premises or evidence. Okay, I know what you think. Stop telling me that, and tell me why. Where in the manga is your opinion supported?
For one, this is exactly what Teach did. He was under a Yonko, and then usurped his position, so what you're saying isn't impossible.
I think we should stop trying to act as if every admiral and yonko are on the same level of strength. If Shank's commanders are able to hold off Admirals then its safe to say that Shanks is in a league of his own. Oda gave us a clear hint that Shanks is a very powerful mother****er. If someone can walk into a battlefield filled with Shichubukai and admirals and make then stop then it should be clear where there power lies.
My opinion is supported from the fact that WB was a sick, half dead old man taking hits from admirals and still wrecking havoc on MF. If you can name me someone from WB's crew that displayed that level of endurance and power then I will stop.
Yet another case of attributing the power of a Yonko's crew to a single Yonko. The Marines stopped the war because the entire point of it was to execute Ace. They accomplished that goal. To keep on fighting would have stained the name of the Marines and just make them look like bloodthirsty killers. Coby commented on this during his stand-off with Akainu. Sengoku called off all warfare because there was nothing to gain from fighting Shanks and his crew. Had Shanks shown up alone, they probably would have just wiped his ass off the face of the map.
Kizaru has enough strength to hold down Whitebeard's Bisento with one leg while Whitebeard is using two arms:
They stopped because Shanks' crew showed up, not because of Shanks' individual presence.
lets be clear what are you trying to say?
You guys keep saying that like it's some kind of Dogma. Does Shanks even remotely seem like the type of person who would fight over a title. We don't know anything about their duels or shanks upper limits. WSS means just that, best swordsmanship, not this over-reaching definition you all like to attribute to it. It means you can beat anyone and everyone in swordsmanship contests, it does not mean that you can beat a sword user who is good with guns also once he picks up his pistols.
Practically the same thing, besides Mihawk placing himself in the same category as Doffy, which doesn't help your case. At least you had enough intelligence to recognize and correctly interpret the clear cut portrayal that Oda drew out for a reason. Now, If you're basing this off of hype alone, you're not going to win that discussion considering all the hype around WB. Even with buying into the whole Mihawk being superior to Shanks talk, that hype alone doesn't surpass what Sengoku had to say about WB. Feat wise, Mihawk couldn't get passed any of WB's commanders. Portrayal, hype, nor feats support Mihawk defeating WB. What am I missing here?
If Mihawk being the World's Strongest Swordsman means that he's the man who fits the parameters of a swordsman the best, and not that he's the most powerful in the category of swordsmen, then that logic dictates that Whitebeard's title of World's Strongest Man means he fits the parameters of being a man the best, not that he's the most powerful in the category of mankind.
Use Gura Gura to break them. I'm sorry but by the way you lay this sentence out it sounds as if you're saying WB couldn't have stopped Akainu's meteors(which aren't even a fraction of a real meteor) If Doffy and Law can avoid an actual meteor from an Admiral unharmed what would even begin to imply WB couldn't handle MF meteors?
I didn't say it means he's the man who most fits the parameters of a swordsman, I acknowledge the title means he can defeat any opponent using a sword. I said WSS doesn't mean he can automatically beat any character simply because they use a sword IF they have alternate methods of fighting. Mihawk can beat anyone who picks up a sword that's all the title guarantees him, it doesn't guarantee him a victory over the person in combat if combatant has multiple methods of fighting beyond a sword.
WSM isn't the same as WSS, WSM is an all encompassing title, it's not specifying any one thing he's strongest in it's a blanket statement saying he is the strongest in all out combat. Plus, the WSS title seemingly only applies to swords and not all blades as WB carried a bladed weapon or are you implying WSS title outweighs WSM title? If I say I'm the best baker that's not the same as being the best pastry chef and neither are the same as the best chef. WB is Best Chef Mihawk is Best Pastry Chef in this scenario. Mihawk can make better pastries(sword fighting) but he isn't an overall better chef(fighting a fight to win) Another example I just thought of is you can be the best place kicker(NFL Football) the best goal kicker(soccer) etc and best kicker. Now the goal kicker may not be able to kick as good of field goals but that doesn't mean he can't out kick him in another aspect like overall distance or overall accuracy.
