[Discussion] Can Whitebeard beat Mihawk?

[sravan]

yes..prime WB can beat anyone mid diff-high diff(roger,garp,sengoku not included)
Old WB can also beat anyone with high-extreme diff

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Obviously. Even Mihawk knew he was inferior to WB.

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And Mihawks best effort was stopped in it's tracks before it even got to reach WB, as he remained completely unfazed by it. Shouldn't even be in question.

 

[Punk Hazard]

yes..prime WB can beat anyone mid diff-high diff(roger,garp,sengoku not included)
Old WB can also beat anyone with high-extreme diff

That's why when he first fought Akainu, they were evenly matched until WB's body gave out on him. I don't normally say "plot saved a character," but let's be serious. Replace either of the attacks in these panels:

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And Whitebeard would be dead.

 

[ToshiZO]

Obviously. Even Mihawk knew he was inferior to WB.

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And Mihawks best effort was stopped in it's tracks before it even got to reach WB, as he remained completely unfazed by it. Shouldn't even be in question.

That translation is kind of misleading.

This is what he said in the viz.

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Either way if you payed attention in the war, you'd know WB would lose to an Admiral level opponent. It's just a question of if you believe Mihawk is on that level or not tbh.

 

[Punk Hazard]

That translation is kind of misleading.

This is what he said in the viz.

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Either way if you payed attention in the war, you'd know WB would lose to an Admiral level opponent. It's just a question of if you believe Mihawk is on that level or not tbh.

Even then with the weird translation, he's misinterpreting it really badly. That sentence by Mihawk doesn't mean that Mihawk is saying for a fact that he's so inferior to Whitebeard. That's Mihawk saying "I've never actually faced Whitebeard. I'm going to see what our gap is."

Whitebeard can be a level 100 and Mihawk a 99, or WB a 100 and Mihawk a 70, or WB a 100 and Mihawk a 110(if we quantified strength levels with numbers), and all of these results would fit the statement that Mihawk made.

 

[ToshiZO]

Even then with the weird translation, he's misinterpreting it really badly. That sentence by Mihawk doesn't mean that Mihawk is saying for a fact that he's so inferior to Whitebeard. That's Mihawk saying "I've never actually faced Whitebeard. I'm going to see what our gap is."

Whitebeard can be a level 100 and Mihawk a 99, or WB a 100 and Mihawk a 70, or WB a 100 and Mihawk a 110(if we quantified strength levels with numbers), and all of these results would fit the statement that Mihawk made.

Yea I know but it was a portrayal thing.

Right after he made that statement he got his answer, which was that his attack doesn't even get to reach WB. So that is where he "stands" against WB, almost as if to say not even worth WB dealing with it himself.

I can't deny that.

But despite this I believe Mihawk beats him because I know for a fact 100% all 3 Admirals do, and I do believe Mihawk is on that level.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Yea I know but it was a portrayal thing.

Right after he made that statement he got his answer, which was that his attack doesn't even get to reach WB. So that is where he "stands" against WB, almost as if to say not even worth WB dealing with it himself.

I can't deny that.

But despite this I believe Mihawk beats him because I know for a fact 100% all 3 Admirals do, and I do believe Mihawk is on that level.

I believe so too. The entire point of the One Heart, One Man chapter was that so many people still carried this notion that Whitebeard was some unstoppable force, like he was in his prime. It's actually really poignant to see that, despite the entire world still considering him the beast he once was and being utterly shocked that his capabilities deteriorated, WB was just like "Why are you shocked? I'm still just one man."

It really showed a depth of wisdom to Whitebeard that not only did he realize his own limitations, he was okay with it. He knew that was natural, and knew he could still do some good by dedicating the last of his power to the dreams and destiny of at least one in a younger generation. Really a great character who has a great outlook on morality.

 

[ToshiZO]

I believe so too. The entire point of the One Heart, One Man chapter was that so many people still carried this notion that Whitebeard was some unstoppable force, like he was in his prime. It's actually really poignant to see that, despite the entire world still considering him the beast he once was and being utterly shocked that his capabilities deteriorated, WB was just like "Why are you shocked? I'm still just one man."

It really showed a depth of wisdom to Whitebeard that not only did he realize his own limitations, he was okay with it. He knew that was natural, and knew he could still do some good by dedicating the last of his power to the dreams and destiny of at least one in a younger generation. Really a great character who has a great outlook on morality.

Indeed, he was very well written, MF was presented near flawlessly. He was so much more than his title, which many people end up cheapening his character by tying him down to it.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Indeed, he was very well written, MF was presented near flawlessly. He was so much more than his title, which many people end up cheapening his character by tying him down to it.

Yeah, WB is really a great character to dissect. It's amazing how layered Oda was able to make him in the span of only one war. When you look at other arcs, like Water 7, where Oda showed us the layers of a character through different stages of story, it's kinda remarkable that Oda was able to give WB just as much, if not more, layers in an arc that was essentially just one major stage with a couple of flashbacks.

 

[Dannie]

I'm most certain he can. Half dead WB showed superiority over Akainu. Yeah, he would probably have a heart attack mid fight, but WB's endurance is just ridiculous + if it wasn't for all the interference and sneak attacks from other people, he could have taken on anyone in the Marineford in 1v1 without much difficulty. Mid-high diff for the admirals and Mihawk is no different. I fail to see the hype that comes from this guy when he couldn't easily take out Vista, one of WB's commanders. If he can't handle one of WB's commanders with ease then what makes anyone think he can handle the big boss?

Mihawk is powerful sure, but we have yet to see the full scope of his abilities. WB should win this fight because of his strength and DF powers + of what we have seen in the war. He was able to take hits from all of the admirals, get stabbed by that moron Squard, and get his insides burnt up and still be able to deal a few blows to BB before dying. I doubt Mihawk can beat that.

 

[YellowFang]

I don't have a clear point...

Despite what WB showed at MF, people(including me) believe that he wasn't going to take down an admiral.
At the same time, it is expected of Mihawk(hype) that he's same tier as Shanks who can defeat an Admiral...

So,
I think Mihawk can.

 

[HashiraMadara]

Even Mihawk knew their difference in power, hence him saying he wants to measure that gap.

He never mentioned the gap to who's advantage :sdo:

psssh his strongest slash got tanked by a WB commander.

Nothing said it was his strongest slash, why would you test with your strongest slash :sdo:. Mr 1 tanked it and was fodderised because the slash wasn't meant for diamond...

Mihawk even went one on one with vista commander evenly so I dont see why people claim hes yonko level.

Fougth a Vista on hindsight looking at Luffy the entire time :sdo:

Yeah he rivaled Shanks in the past but that was way back before shanks was even a yonko probably and I'm sure shank's power has grown way more since then.

Wrong, Mihawk brought a bounty page of prestime skip Luffy and Shanks's response "Here for a duel again?"... I am sure it's a fair measure to let Shanks's strength grow while leaving Mhawk's behind.... Meanwhile he is a Zoro's mentor :|

Mihawk doesn't stand a chance against current shanks or WB marineford arc.

Mihawk called Current Shanks "pitiful one armed sad soul"

I'd say even the admirals take him high diff.

All the Admirals were shocked and Alarmed with Mihawk's arrival and "Takanome never follows rules"

 

[MasqueradeNX]

eh Whitebeard would win

 

[sravan]

That's why when he first fought Akainu, they were evenly matched until WB's body gave out on him. I don't normally say "plot saved a character," but let's be serious. Replace either of the attacks in these panels:

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And Whitebeard would be dead.

Its not plot shield for WB.plot shield is for akainu because he should be the one to live from the start of the war because he should be the one to become the F.A and lead the marines..
How silly of you to think WB has a plot shield???A man who is near his death gave hard time for the marine admirals.
If you think Akainu can kill WB,then WB can also kill Akainu..Every reader who is not a fan boy of akainu knows the condition of WB and how strong he was to take all the attacks.
Akainu is strong??yes he is top 5 material.
But WB was above all of the admirals..

 

[Punk Hazard]

Its not plot shield for WB.plot shield is for akainu because he should be the one to live from the start of the war because he should be the one to become the F.A and lead the marines..
How silly of you to think WB has a plot shield???A man who is near his death gave hard time for the marine admirals.
If you think Akainu can kill WB,then WB can also kill Akainu..Every reader who is not a fan boy of akainu knows the condition of WB and how strong he was to take all the attacks.
Akainu is strong??yes he is top 5 material.
But WB was above all of the admirals..

How else do you explain the fact that Akainu chose to punch Whitebeard in the stomach once and then back away so fodder could stab him rather than just raining meteors at point blank range?

Yes, WB has a plot shield. Everyone in the manga is affected by plot. You have to remember that Oda's primary focus. That's why you have instances like Doffy aiming at Luffy's chest instead of his throat. Or Lucci holding onto Chibi Luffy's neck instead of just slitting it. Or Akainu not raining meteors onto WB. Because all these would have absolutely resulted in death, but that's not Oda's focus, it's story.

In a VS match, characters don't get that luxury. In a VS match, Kizaru shoots Marco and Luffy through their skulls, not their torsos and stomachs. In a VS match, WBs sneak attack on Akainu is shoving his Bisento through his head.

There is without any doubt Akainu wins a VS match against old WB and those four pages prove it. Anyone who says WB wins anything lower than extreme diff is playing themselves.

 

[HashiraMadara]

How else do you explain the fact that Akainu chose to punch Whitebeard in the stomach once and then back away so fodder could stab him rather than just raining meteors at point blank range?

Yes, WB has a plot shield. Everyone in the manga is affected by plot. You have to remember that Oda's primary focus. That's why you have instances like Doffy aiming at Luffy's chest instead of his throat. Or Lucci holding onto Chibi Luffy's neck instead of just slitting it. Or Akainu not raining meteors onto WB. Because all these would have absolutely resulted in death, but that's not Oda's focus, it's story.

In a VS match, characters don't get that luxury. In a VS match, Kizaru shoots Marco and Luffy through their skulls, not their torsos and stomachs. In a VS match, WBs sneak attack on Akainu is shoving his Bisento through his head.

There is without any doubt Akainu wins a VS match against old WB and those four pages prove it. Anyone who says WB wins anything lower than extreme diff is playing themselves.

My logic is simple, if Shanks clashes with Whitebeard using his sword, then Mihawk can do better :sdo: Because anything Shanks can do with a sword Mihawk can do better and YES HE CAN :sdo:

Not counting shanks's non swords skills(if he has them :|)

 

[sravan]

How else do you explain the fact that Akainu chose to punch Whitebeard in the stomach once and then back away so fodder could stab him rather than just raining meteors at point blank range?

Yes, WB has a plot shield. Everyone in the manga is affected by plot. You have to remember that Oda's primary focus. That's why you have instances like Doffy aiming at Luffy's chest instead of his throat. Or Lucci holding onto Chibi Luffy's neck instead of just slitting it. Or Akainu not raining meteors onto WB. Because all these would have absolutely resulted in death, but that's not Oda's focus, it's story.

In a VS match, characters don't get that luxury. In a VS match, Kizaru shoots Marco and Luffy through their skulls, not their torsos and stomachs. In a VS match, WBs sneak attack on Akainu is shoving his Bisento through his head.

There is without any doubt Akainu wins a VS match against old WB and those four pages prove it. Anyone who says WB wins anything lower than extreme diff is playing themselves.

I think you are not reading one piece written by oda
WB is the strongest man no one(alive) in that time period can beat him.If it was that easy to beat him somebody would have done it.
In a 1vs1 battle its even clear that WB wins..The counter for akainu's magma shower is his df...he can just throw akainu to distances to evade them and then one hit is all it takes...He survived akainu's punch and he can beat Akainu after that..In MF its just like a royal rumble type everyone will be mixed up..Even then WB received 267 sword wounds,142 gun wounds,46 cannon shots and attacks from 3 admirals being a paramecia df user.I dont think akainu can survive all those if he is not a logia df user

 

[Punk Hazard]

Can someone show me where in the manga it says that a Yonko is super far above his commanders? Cuz I'm positive that's nothing but conjecture.

I think you are not reading one piece written by oda
WB is the strongest man no one(alive) in that time period can beat him.If it was that easy to beat him somebody would have done it.
In a 1vs1 battle its even clear that WB wins..The counter for akainu's magma shower is his df...he can just throw akainu to distances to evade them and then one hit is all it takes...He survived akainu's punch and he can beat Akainu after that..In MF its just like a royal rumble type everyone will be mixed up..Even then WB received 267 sword wounds,142 gun wounds,46 cannon shots and attacks from 3 admirals being a paramecia df user.I dont think akainu can survive all those if he is not a logia df user

Whitebeard renounced his title at Marineford.

Whitebeard couldn't even repel the fodder that stabbed him before being impaled by their blades. There's no way he'd have been able to repel Akainu.

And before you say he let the fodder stab him, that's not how Whitebeard fights. Marco mused that it was surprising WB couldn't avoid Squard's stab, meaning that taking attacks, even if they can't do much to him, is unusual of WB and he opts to avoid them instead.

 

[Dannie]

Can someone show me where in the manga it says that a Yonko is super far above his commanders? Cuz I'm positive that's nothing but conjecture.

It should be obvious that they are. Are you saying that Marco or Jozu would give WB a good fight?

 

[Punk Hazard]

It should be obvious that they are. Are you saying that Marco or Jozu would give WB a good fight?

I'm asking where in the manga this is obvious. Cuz in the manga that I read, the same Admirals that were giving Whitebeard a hard time and could have killed him were clashing pretty well with his commanders.

It's kinda funny how people say the Yonko's second in commands are sooooo much weaker than them, but then lump Rayleigh and Roger in the same super demigod fantastic immortal legend batter-than-this-generation tier, even though by their same Yonko-Commander logic, Rayleigh shouldn't ever be able to touch Roger.

So yeah, I'm saying this shit where Yonko commanders are ants to their Yonko is nothing but baseless conjecture.