-ahhimane-
Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
- Joined
- Jun 12, 2012
- Messages
- 8,788
- Reaction score
- 1,162
The correct word would be "WRONG". Madara's ways for achieving world peace is WRONG.
[Discussion] Can we really label Madara "a bad guy"?
- Thread starter TheSageOfNinetails
- Start date
thegame
Anbu Operative 🎭
- Joined
- Aug 15, 2012
- Messages
- 3,129
- Reaction score
- 216
Madara is f*cking as*hole! But good or bad is a subjective evaluation, and one may chose either. There is no 'we' in this.
However, it is quite clear, that Kishi is thinking of Madara as a bad guy, he is the final villain, and thus has to be portraied as a bad guy.
However, it is quite clear, that Kishi is thinking of Madara as a bad guy, he is the final villain, and thus has to be portraied as a bad guy.
Wanting to bring peace to the world doesn't make you a good person, some of the worst tyrants in history all wanted to bring peace but they did it through mass murder and enslaving the population.
Madara is a psychopath who wants to bring peace, he is a bad person that wants to do something good, but that doesn't change that he is evil.
Madara is a psychopath who wants to bring peace, he is a bad person that wants to do something good, but that doesn't change that he is evil.
altaire uchiha
Member
- Joined
- Jun 19, 2013
- Messages
- 460
- Reaction score
- 32
funny you brought that up, I was just thinking about that when I was watching the latest episode of the anime. I dont know that what Madaras trying to do is necessarily a bad thing. I guess it depends on the details of how TNM is going to work. Whos illusion is it? Madaras? Everyones? How would that work? They talk about people that died being there again in the TNM...so would they just be there in the minds of the people who wanted them? How would people be creating thier own gentutsu on themselves? If Madara would be creating it how would he do that? How would he know what they wanted? Would people interact anymore or just sit on the ground and dream? If so how would they survive? Those questions would have to be answered before I could say whether or not TNM would be better. But I think I agree there is no real way to peace because humans arent peaceful.
Madara is about as bad as Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, and Mao Zedong. Each of these evil dictators thought they had good plans for the general public, but they all were mass executioners that also restricted their people's freedoms.
SixPathsOfTobi
Jōnin Strategist 🧠
- Joined
- Sep 4, 2012
- Messages
- 1,153
- Reaction score
- 46
Everything that is evil is perpetuated into the world through failure in thought, which is ignorance, through failure in emotion, which is apathy and through failure in right action, which is cowardness.. the one force that gives birth to this threefold villany is FEAR.
[video=youtube;_Ik4js_8FmE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ik4js_8FmE[/video]
Oni
Member
- Joined
- Jun 8, 2011
- Messages
- 132
- Reaction score
- 8
He's not a bad guy, he is a product of his time and upbringing.
You have to remember that this is a manga were children are trained up to be killers. Can anybody honestly call a child-soldier a bad person?
When the United States firebombed Tokyo and nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki, hundreds of thousands of civilians had a really really bad day. Had the United States lost the war it would have been very likely that the Generals who ordered those attacks would have been sentenced to death for crimes against humanity.
But they won, so it was the Germans and the Japanese who are known for being the "bad guys" in regards to that conflict.
Madara, former child-soldier is warring with other former child-soldiers. If he wins then he's a hero and a messiah that brought peace to the world, if he loses he's the hated reviled villain.
It's a question of pragmatism really. And Madara is the most pragmatic motherf***er on the field right now.
You have to remember that this is a manga were children are trained up to be killers. Can anybody honestly call a child-soldier a bad person?
When the United States firebombed Tokyo and nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki, hundreds of thousands of civilians had a really really bad day. Had the United States lost the war it would have been very likely that the Generals who ordered those attacks would have been sentenced to death for crimes against humanity.
But they won, so it was the Germans and the Japanese who are known for being the "bad guys" in regards to that conflict.
Madara, former child-soldier is warring with other former child-soldiers. If he wins then he's a hero and a messiah that brought peace to the world, if he loses he's the hated reviled villain.
It's a question of pragmatism really. And Madara is the most pragmatic motherf***er on the field right now.
Last edited:
Kadmos1
Member
- Joined
- Oct 18, 2012
- Messages
- 442
- Reaction score
- 17
Very good point, Oblargagh. Also, if we go by the aspect that we are evil and are sinners (even if applying this to fiction), then this applies to all Narutoverse humans.
The only shinobi character I can think that surpasses Madara in terms of evil is Hidan because he has erotophonophilia which is being aroused by someone dying. This is also tied to being a lust murderer which is arousal of killing someone. On an individual level, I say this is more evil than genocide which on a larger scale is worse.
The only shinobi character I can think that surpasses Madara in terms of evil is Hidan because he has erotophonophilia which is being aroused by someone dying. This is also tied to being a lust murderer which is arousal of killing someone. On an individual level, I say this is more evil than genocide which on a larger scale is worse.