[Discussion] Can we really label Madara "a bad guy"?

[TheSageOfNinetails]

Alright, so I've been pondering this question for a long time, actually ever since Madara revealed his plan.

Can we really label Madara a "bad guy"?

Madara's goal in the end is the same as Naruto's, world peace. He wants to bring the world together, and take away all the bad things in life.

If you think about it, how is this really a bad thing?

Yes, it would be a world full of lies, but everyone would be under the assumption that the world is real, and belief is a powerful thing.

Madara truly wants peace, but his ways greatly* differ anything ever attempted.

So, like I said, after taking all this into account, can we really label Madara "a bad guy" or "evil" for that matter? & if so, why?

Let me know what you guys think.

 

[AllseeingSharingan]

No one is bad in naruto. It's all perspective pain/nagato explained how ppl are just out for their own justice and that justice breeds war. No one is bad again it's all perspective.

 

[Risuna23]

He's a bad guy with good intentions.

 

[Ventalus]

Well he is killing those who resist his ideas cold blooded. Also he is forcing people to do what he pleases, so yes. I find him being evil and ego.

 

[Sir Blades]

Killing with intent is bad, so they are all bad.

 

[Edo Odin]

He believes his goal is the right thing to do, but even so, it won't change the fact that while he claims to search for peace, he had no problem whatsoever while slaughtering a whole division by dropping a meteor on them.

Don't get me wrong, he's among my favorite characters, but the fact still stands that he is far from being a good guy.
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[TheSageOfNinetails]

Well he is killing those who resist his ideas cold blooded. Also he is forcing people to do what he pleases, so yes. I find him being evil and ego.

But the Shinobi world is now doing that to Madara, there trying to prevent his ways to use their own, so really, if you use that then the whole world should be considered "evil".

 

[Sendai Aka No Ou]

He believes his goal is the right thing to do, but even so, it won't change the fact that while he claims to search for peace, he had no problem whatsoever while slaughtering a whole division by dropping a meteor on them.

Don't get me wrong, he's among my favorite characters, but the fact still stands that he is far from being a good guy.
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Pretty much this. While his goal is noble and for the good of all he's messing with things he has no right to control.

 

[Stacks]

He's a bad guy with good intentions.

this right here

 

[Fluffyman]

He is good.

His and Obito's doings led to the death of about 40.000-50.000 shinobi I think, eternal peace would be his outcome if he were to win.

Otherwise wars would just keep going on, at some point (a few years or decades, hard to guess) the number of war victims would be higher than the amount of people Madara killed for his plan.

All the deaths would be in vain if the SA were to stop Madara now.
Madara is thinking cold but very businesslike.

 

[Kαmi]

People who drop meteors on others and shoot nukes and smile about nuking a person afterwards are not typically good people. While his goal is one for peace, his method isn't the best. A bad guy with good intentions, that's all.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Alright, so I've been pondering this question for a long time, actually ever since Madara revealed his plan.

Can we really label Madara a "bad guy"?

Madara's goal in the end is the same as Naruto's, world peace. He wants to bring the world together, and take away all the bad things in life.

If you think about it, how is this really a bad thing?

Yes, it would be a world full of lies, but everyone would be under the assumption that the world is real, and belief is a powerful thing.

Madara truly wants peace, but his ways greatly* differ anything ever attempted.

So, like I said, after taking all this into account, can we really label Madara "a bad guy" or "evil" for that matter? & if so, why?

Let me know what you guys think.

TBH, I think he can only be called "antagonist", nice objectives, bad means (opposed to protagonists).

He is only another victim of reality and he wants to get rid of bad things...

 

[Meowazziel]

Alright, so I've been pondering this question for a long time, actually ever since Madara revealed his plan.

Can we really label Madara a "bad guy"?

Madara's goal in the end is the same as Naruto's, world peace. He wants to bring the world together, and take away all the bad things in life.

If you think about it, how is this really a bad thing?

Yes, it would be a world full of lies, but everyone would be under the assumption that the world is real, and belief is a powerful thing.

Madara truly wants peace, but his ways greatly* differ anything ever attempted.

So, like I said, after taking all this into account, can we really label Madara "a bad guy" or "evil" for that matter? & if so, why?

Let me know what you guys think.

Forcing people into a dreamworld cannot be right.
Giving people the choice to enter that world would be right.

Madara seems to enjoy fighting others, hurting others (dropping meteors on shinobi that didnt pose a threat to him, and the way he smiled when he talked about killing the kages) and he treats people like crap.
He tricked Obito, he talks towards the zetsu like they are garbage. He does not treat the bijou
with respect either. He didnt mind that lot of shinobi would die because of Obito's bijou bombs.
Hashirama cared about that but Madara responded with dont worry, we are both edo tensei, which
shows he cares about himself, but not the shinobi that could be in his dream world.

Intentions of wanting peace through a dreamworld does not make you a bad guy.
The way Madara executes it, seems to put him in the category though.

I think Madara was a good guy once. Right now he isnt.
Than he turned to the darkness. I dont feel like he has left the darkness yet.
Now he wants to create a forced peace, while he hasnt found peace in himself yet.

 

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[Prime Rib]

Alright, so I've been pondering this question for a long time, actually ever since Madara revealed his plan.

Can we really label Madara a "bad guy"?

Madara's goal in the end is the same as Naruto's, world peace. He wants to bring the world together, and take away all the bad things in life.

If you think about it, how is this really a bad thing?

Yes, it would be a world full of lies, but everyone would be under the assumption that the world is real, and belief is a powerful thing.

Madara truly wants peace, but his ways greatly* differ anything ever attempted.

So, like I said, after taking all this into account, can we really label Madara "a bad guy" or "evil" for that matter? & if so, why?

Let me know what you guys think.

hes trying to rob everyone of free will thus thats the worst thing to do to a person as you are forcing them.

 

[MrDuck]

Madara, Obito and Nagato: the end justifies the means.

Naruto also wants peace but in his mind the end doesn't justify the means.

 

[girya]

All characters in Naruto have their own perspective of looking at things.. The author is trying to remind us about the importance of the means to acheive desired outcome; in that sense Madara is wrong.

Saying that in real world, lets say one is given a task to acheive world peace; Naruto's means is unlikely to acheive success..! In short Madara is right, as long as humans exist they will fight each other, so he is right there in his perspective and his experience over the time.

Again I tried to quote two different perspectives and it's up to reader how he interprets the situation. I think this is what makes this story special "Everyone is right in their own way and no one is villian".

 

[UnrealSoul]

If you guys look at it as a whole. Without Madara the Shinobi Alliance would have NEVER been formed. Judging by the kage summit gathering you can tell tension was still their, anger,hate, accusations being thrown. The wars would of been inevitable to come even if your precious Naruto was to become hokage. As long as a man breathes he will pursue his ambitions as long as that man believes in him self.

War is peace
Peace is War
As long as man longs for either

People believe through power you can have peace(Madara). When in reality Power is used to gain and maintain that peace(Kingdoms with superior military thrived). As I said a mans ambitions cannot be held back with power alone. Another form of power will rise to war with the original super power.

Some people believe peace through diplomacy (Hashi,Naruto). Words carry their own form of power and offer understanding. It is the most peaceful yet most shady, backstabbing, cunning, and quiet way of doing things (Politics). But words alone wont help you when the opposing nation needs to expand in order to meet supply and demand. The mans need to live, survive, will take over rendering your words useless (Hashirama experienced it with Madara VOTE, Naruto is about to receive a wake up call from Madara).

It takes both to have a long period of peace. Naturally another power comes along to take over.

Madara is truly the definition of a man with ambition,a true harbinger of war. In his case he took option A)Power. His intentions are good,understandable, but the way its going to be executed will bring a false yet a very wanted reality to the world.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Everyone in naruto wants to change the system and bring peace. It's just that the villains use the bijuu to do this.

 

[6PathsofKami]

I think about the same too when thinking about real life, Naruto's way will never succeed.