Can we establish Tsunade > Hiruzen on feats?

[zesto]

Tsunade is stronger than hiruzen
I put her above him

she should be, all SANNINS SURPASSES there master, and as i thought no one here has a solution to how Minato, Tobirama or Hiruzen beats Tsunade, i will leave you fanboys to your own isolation, its evidently clear you all are not capable to rationalize.

 

[Micho22]

Hiruzen beat Edo tensei Hokages.

Tsunade cannot.

That simple.

They where not at full power

 

[Rainbow Dash]

They where not at full power

Tsunade still wouldn't be able to beat them.

 

[zesto]

During obito's attack on konoha hiruzen pretty much single handedly pushed the 9 tails out of konoha while minato 1v1'd nobito. Took over as Hokage while he was Naruto's age in pt.2 and managed to remain the hokage the longest out of all the other hokage who dead prematurely, "God of Shinobi", pretty much raised naruto, Hiruzen beat the edo tensie of the 1st and 2nd and after wards defeated orochimaru.

What did tsunade do again? Killherself trying to heal everyone in the village which was kinda pointless since nagato brought everyone back anyways... then fail hard vs madara?

yea Hiruzen defeated a weak edo Tobirama and Hashiramam, wile Tsunade destroyed a healthy overrated and very powerful edo Madara several times. Oh also apart from Hiruzen Tsunade had the village the longer than Minato, 5 or 4 years i think, she got the position at 50

 

[FearxDeath]

she should be, all SANNINS SURPASSES there master, and as i thought no one here has a solution to how Minato, Tobirama or Hiruzen beats Tsunade, i will leave you fanboys to your own isolation, its evidently clear you all are not capable to rationalize.

Stfu already troll. Your just a tsunade fan boy. Tsunade is weak as hell, her attacks DONT HIT HARD, orochimaru took what 100 punches from her and was still standing. Also even with Byakuyou she still needs to breathe, this is proven by how orochimaru almost killed her by choking her during there fight, both tobirama who can drown her and hiruzen who can suffocate her with smoke are all good counters to her.

Most importantly her byakuyou only lasts a limited amount of time, once it runs out she is as weak as she always is, the only difference is that she doesnt regenerate.

yea Hiruzen defeated a weak edo Tobirama and Hashiramam, wile Tsunade destroyed a healthy overrated and very powerful edo Madara several times. Oh also apart from Hiruzen Tsunade had the village the longer than Minato, 5 or 4 years i think, she got the position at 50

Who is talking about minato? Hiruzen had it the longest followed by the 1st and the 2nd THEN tsunade, and ofcourse she had the village longer than minato, he died before he even became hokage officially, he was just named to take over when hiruzen died or retired.

Tsunade destroyed madara several times? Please show me some scans of this, several scans since she destroyed him several times. I will not reply until i see the scans.

 

[Orochimaruofthesound]

just putting this out there if she was why did kishi make horuzen's face toller than hers on the great stone faces

 

[zesto]

Stfu already troll. Your just a tsunade fan boy. Tsunade is weak as hell, her attacks DONT HIT HARD, orochimaru took what 100 punches from her and was still standing. Also even with Byakuyou she still needs to breathe, this is proven by how orochimaru almost killed her by choking her during there fight, both tobirama who can drown her and hiruzen who can suffocate her with smoke are all good counters to her.

Tobirama water styles are weak, he's just more versatile of creating a lot of water in thin air, something that even the mizuakges are noted for doing, thats all to it, what he should be concerning with his the massive acid slime that spreads over 2oometers and if powered up by Tsunade it triple times that.

so yes you have a point if you asphyxiate her she probably die thats if you have a tongue jutsu like orochimaru plus that wont work either she would eventually retaliate in the same manner like when she beat the crap out of him, PLUS YOUR FORGETTING THAT SHE HAD REACHED THE END OF HER ENHANCED STRENGTH, hence why orochimaru survive, his organs were badly damaged commented by kabuto after that fight, his face was torn to shreds, PLEASE, STOP THIS MADNESS,

With Hiruzen smoke, i laughed at this, haven't you heard of anaerobic respiration what can smoke do to Tsunade, furthermore whenever she fuses with her slug they can communicate telepathically, and she can pass on all her jutsus via the animal for efficient kills, scapel, nervous disorders, chackra poisons, please dude, Hiruzen cant beat Tsunade enough said stop being a fanboy.

Most importantly her byakuyou only lasts a limited amount of time, once it runs out she is as weak as she always is, the only difference is that she doesnt regenerate.

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Tsunade destroyed madara several times? Please show me some scans of this, several scans since she destroyed him several times. I will not reply until i see the scans.[/QUOTE]
i have a little difficulties right now with my laptop, so the pictures wont upload in time
keep in mind that she's a senju with high amount of stamina

 

[FearxDeath]

Tobirama water styles are weak, he's just more versatile of creating a lot of water in thin air, something that even the mizuakges are noted for doing, thats all to it, what he should be concerning with his the massive acid slime that spreads over 2oometers and if powered up by Tsunade it triple times that.

so yes you have a point if you asphyxiate her she probably die thats if you have a tongue jutsu like orochimaru plus that wont work either she would eventually retaliate in the same manner like when she beat the crap out of him, PLUS YOUR FORGETTING THAT SHE HAD REACHED THE END OF HER ENHANCED STRENGTH, hence why orochimaru survive, his organs were badly damaged commented by kabuto after that fight, his face was torn to shreds, PLEASE, STOP THIS MADNESS,

With Hiruzen smoke, i laughed at this, haven't you heard of anaerobic respiration what can smoke do to Tsunade, furthermore whenever she fuses with her slug they can communicate telepathically, and she can pass on all her jutsus via the animal for efficient kills, scapel, nervous disorders, chackra poisons, please dude, Hiruzen cant beat Tsunade enough said stop being a fanboy.

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Tsunade destroyed madara several times? Please show me some scans of this, several scans since she destroyed him several times. I will not reply until i see the scans.

i have a little difficulties right now with my laptop, so the pictures wont upload in time
keep in mind that she's a senju with high amount of stamina[/QUOTE]

Your riding tsunade so hard right now.. Here are some stats from the handbook

Tsunade:
Ninjutsu Taijutsu Genjutsu Intelligence Strength Speed Stamina Hand seals Total
5 - 5 - 3.5 - 5 - 5 - 3.5 - 4 - 4 - 35

Hiruzen:
Ninjutsu Taijutsu Genjutsu Intelligence Strength Speed Stamina Hand seals Total
5 - 5 - 5 - 5 - 3 - 3 - 3 - 5 - 34

As you can CLEARLY see 70 year old Hiruzen is on par with 50 year old Tsunade. And we already know that Hiruzen was "Miserable" when compared to him in his prime. I really dont see how Tsunade beats Hiruzen out of his prime not to mention Hiruzen in his prime.

Lastly let me say this, you open with "Tell me how he beats Tsunade" and no matter what I say you would just laugh it off and explain how Tsunade can beat/survive it as if it was that simple. Understand I could easily do the same thing and rationalize how Hiruzen can dodge or defend himself against any of Tsunades attacks. This pointless back and foward styled convo gets people no where. If your not open to accepting the possibility that you are wrong then there is no point in asking the question. Incredulity is sucks...

No scans? Should I be surprised. I guess I win, a guy can post on here but he cant copy and paste a url link? What a joke.

 

[End of Days]

TSUNADE>>>>>>>.HIRUZEN SARUTOBI, This thread needs to be incinerated, Tsunade every other Hokage except Hashirama,
water styles and 1 imperfect weak edo tensei is no match for her, SPEED ISN'T EVERYTHING, my gosh I'm out of here.
WAIT? before i leave can some genius tell me how any of the other hokage gets pass byakugou, katsuyu, deadly kicks and raiton disturbance jutsu

my troll detector is off the charts!

 

[medal32]

Ya cant really base off of feats since a lot of characters havent done much, but we know they have amazing capabilities

 

[Joshutsu]

I think she can handle hiruzen, she < oro doesnt meant she < hiruzen.

We can't really compare her to a younger hiruzen because orochimaru fought the same old hiruzen she is being compared with.

With her byakugou which you can't rule out because it's hers, I think would be enough i doubt he could pull off a win with that, unless he tried to seal her and idk how that would work tbh.

As for enma i think katsuya works perfectly as her body is resistive to damage, maybe it would split into many smaller versions of itself and use a wide range acid jutsu or something and it can also help tank some attacks

 

[zesto]

No scans? Should I be surprised. I guess I win, a guy can post on here but he cant copy and paste a url link? What a joke.

bro whats your problem, go and read over manga chapters, every god damn person on this base saw that Tsunade destroyed Edo Madara several times, with her punches and kicks in and out of susanoo mode, Except PS, my computer is having some technical problems at the hour, my gosh your such an imbecile.

 

[Icelerate]

Going by feats Hiruzen is largely above tsunade

Tsunade couldnt even kill an armless Orochimaru whereas Hiruzen soloed Edo Hashi/Edo Tobirama and RDS'd Oro

Orochimaru retreated, so that fight was inconclusive and Hiruzen managing to use RDS failed miserably, Orochimaru survived the attack so he won the fight although with casualties.

If we go by feats, Tsunade stomps old Hiruzen and Tobirama from part 1. Still I doubt she'd beat an actual Tobirama or prime Hiruzen.

 

[zesto]

Orochimaru retreated, so that fight was inconclusive and Hiruzen managing to use RDS failed miserably, Orochimaru survived the attack so he won the fight although with casualties.

If we go by feats, Tsunade stomps old Hiruzen and Tobirama from part 1. Still I doubt she'd beat an actual Tobirama or prime Hiruzen.

well Tobirama hasn't exhibit much thus far, so its unknown if he's better than Tsunade, all you can do is speculate, As for Hiruzen, or you serious bro..... Tsunade is a senju with high stamina, its sure she didn't have byakugou then or maybe a slug mode (who knows,) but her senju blood and stamina clearly beats his. She would prolong the battle to victory, with her medical skills.

 

[FearxDeath]

Orochimaru retreated, so that fight was inconclusive and Hiruzen managing to use RDS failed miserably, Orochimaru survived the attack so he won the fight although with casualties.

If we go by feats, Tsunade stomps old Hiruzen and Tobirama from part 1. Still I doubt she'd beat an actual Tobirama or prime Hiruzen.

First off The reason Orochimaru retreated was because a Manda was defeated and thus it was him and kabuto vs tsunade, jiraiya and there 2 summons which puts him at the disadvantage. Had Manda had stayed around he would have continued to fight as well. And although the fight was inconclusive you have to keep in mind that Tsuande/Jiraiya forced a retreat by defeating Manda, but they still were both pushed to there limits by an Orochimaru that had no jutsu, couldnt move his arms, and also was pushing through the pain of his arms decomposing while they are still attached to his body. Could Tsunade have been pull that off with no arms? OFCOURSE NOT

This is another common misconception, hiruzen didnt fail to kill orochimaru, he chose not to because he could not bring himself to kill his former student. Alot of people confuse the fact that he did not want to kill Oro with the fact that he could not, which couldnt be further from the truth. The fact of the matter is that he felt that simply taking away orochimaru's arms would have sufficed since he would no longer be able to use jutsu. This was a brilliant move on hiruzens part which is always undervalued

Her only feat is healing the village which put her in a coma afterwards so Idk if I even want to call that a feat, not to mention nagato ended up healing everyone afterwards anyways. You say that that feat is better than single handedly pushing the 9 tails out of konoha while minato fought obito or taking on orochimaru and 2 edos? really...

Lastly did you seriously give me a negative reputation because you dont understand the meaning of suffacation...

 

[FearxDeath]

bro whats your problem, go and read over manga chapters, every god damn person on this base saw that Tsunade destroyed Edo Madara several times, with her punches and kicks in and out of susanoo mode, Except PS, my computer is having some technical problems at the hour, my gosh your such an imbecile.

lol thats your reply?? Go find'em? Forget about linking them you cant even tell me what chapter to read? Instead you want me to read over the 10+ chapters that covered the kages fight with Madara? What a complete joke

 

[Joshutsu]

First off The reason Orochimaru retreated was because a Manda was defeated and thus it was him and kabuto vs tsunade, jiraiya and there 2 summons which puts him at the disadvantage. Had Manda had stayed around he would have continued to fight as well. And although the fight was inconclusive you have to keep in mind that Tsuande/Jiraiya forced a retreat by defeating Manda, but they still were both pushed to there limits by an Orochimaru that had no jutsu, couldnt move his arms, and also was pushing through the pain of his arms decomposing while they are still attached to his body. Could Tsunade have been pull that off with no arms? OFCOURSE NOT

This is another common misconception, hiruzen didnt fail to kill orochimaru, he chose not to because he could not bring himself to kill his former student. Alot of people confuse the fact that he did not want to kill Oro with the fact that he could not, which couldnt be further from the truth. The fact of the matter is that he felt that simply taking away orochimaru's arms would have sufficed since he would no longer be able to use jutsu. This was a brilliant move on hiruzens part which is always undervalued

Her only feat is healing the village which put her in a coma afterwards so Idk if I even want to call that a feat, not to mention nagato ended up healing everyone afterwards anyways. You say that that feat is better than single handedly pushing the 9 tails out of konoha while minato fought obito or taking on orochimaru and 2 edos? really...

Lastly did you seriously give me a negative reputation because you dont understand the meaning of suffacation...

I didn't know hiruzen didn't want to kill him the 2nd time, i thought it was only the first, he couldn't have if he wanted to in their last encounter because i am pretty sure he had intention to pull his entire soul out but oro has a sword and stabbed him and the would along with him already low on chakara he decided to take the arms before time ran out... correct me if i am wrong or did he decide he didn't want to take him with him and take his arms

 

[FearxDeath]

I didn't know hiruzen didn't want to kill him the 2nd time, i thought it was only the first, he couldn't have if he wanted to in their last encounter because i am pretty sure he had intention to pull his entire soul out but oro has a sword and stabbed him and the would along with him already low on chakara he decided to take the arms before time ran out... correct me if i am wrong or did he decide he didn't want to take him with him and take his arms

Why cant it be both?

 

[Joshutsu]

Why cant it be both?

Well yes it can, but how i read what you said you kinda made it appear to me that him not wanting to kill him made him hold back.

Even to the end as in your profile pic he still saw the innocence in child oro so sad, at least he died with a smile.

 

[FearxDeath]

Well yes it can, but how i read what you said you kinda made it appear to me that him not wanting to kill him made him hold back.

Even to the end as in your profile pic he still saw the innocence in child oro so sad, at least he died with a smile.

Yes, i think him not wanting to kill Orochimaru made him hold back, he did not have the resolve to kill Orochimaru but he could prevent him from becoming a threat to the village by taking away his jutsu. The fact that he falls back on seeing Oro as he was as a kid shows that he did not have the resolve to kill him for good because he still saw him as his student. Much like how Naruto refuses to kill Sasuke after everything he has done, and even if Sasuke attacked the village Naruto would look for a different way to stop him other than killing him.

A parallel can be drawn from Naruto and Hiruzens Ideologies.