Can someone explain why this isn't possible?

[The Necromancer]

As we (should) all know, Sasuke's Amenotejikara has the ability to not only swap the possitions of himself and another object, but also the ability to move another person to another location.

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We also know that Sasuke's Amenotejikara has a very great range when swapping people, even if he does not use an object as a medium, as he did with Sakura's jacket.

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As he was able to swap from this great distance, all the way behind Naruto's Avatar without closing the distance.


So what I need explained beyond a reasonable doubt, is why swapping Naruto and his Avatar, in between the twin Rasenshuriken and his own Indra's Arrow is impossible.

The ranges are nearly identical,

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and if the chakra tax was an issue in the past, it should be mitigated by the vast Bijuu chakra he obtained.

The only other possible explanation I can foresee someone coming up with is that Sasuke has to warp that other person into close proximity with himself. That may be true, but the fact is that Sasuke would never have wanted to swap Madara or Kaguya anywhere but right next to him and Naruto. So to claim that Sasuke could not swap them a farther distance than right next to him is still speculation and circumstantial.

I'm not really sure why I need to ask this, that is the only real explanation that cannot be disproved, but I want to see the (hopefully, but doubtfully) unbiased views on this tactic.

 

[Ambivalence]

Where is the proof he can use Amenotejikara across mountain ranges without having absorbed Bijuu chakra into his PS? He absolutely never demonstrated such massive range when he's not using Susano'o.

 

[The Necromancer]

Where is the proof he can use Amenotejikara across mountain ranges without having absorbed Bijuu chakra into his PS? He absolutely never demonstrated such massive range when he's not using Susano'o.

The fact is, his Susano'o didn't downgrade or change forms after firing the Indra's Arrow, and it is still shown having chakra leaking from its back.

But it is also a fact that he used a vast amount of that Bijuu chakra to form the arrow in the first place, but seeing as how there was no mention or even hint at his Amenotejikara using up far more chakra at that greater range, and that he did it so casually seems to imply that it doesn't take anywhere near the full amount of Bijuu chakra he gathered, so as long as he still had some left, which he appeared to before the explosion, I can't see it being an issue.

Of course, there's absolutely no way to tell how much chakra he had left, how much chakra he used, and how much chakra each version and range of Amenotejikara takes, so...

 

[Joon]

Is this not evident enough?:

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[The Necromancer]

Is this not evident enough?:

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This means nothing within the context of this thread.

 

[Mad Titan Thanos]

Because Sasuke susanoo covered most of the distance off screen before he used Ameno.

Kishi in databook said Ameno has short to mid range.Also we saw what is distance limit when Sasuke failed to warp Madara who was running.

 

[The Necromancer]

Because Sasuke susanoo covered most of the distance off screen before he used Ameno.

Kishi in databook said Ameno has short to mid range.Also we saw what is distance limit when Sasuke failed to warp Madara who was running.

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Bijuu chakra answers that, and the other is speculation.

Also, if you believe Sasuke can move fast enough to get within range for Ameno, without Naruto even noticing or being able to react, then you've pretty much proved he could do it again easily.

But we both know Naruto has the reaction time to prevent that if any movement is involved whatsoever. It only makes sense that Sasuke didn't have to move.

 

[Michael]

Where is the proof he can use Amenotejikara across mountain ranges without having absorbed Bijuu chakra into his PS? He absolutely never demonstrated such massive range when he's not using Susano'o.

Because Sasuke susanoo covered most of the distance off screen before he used Ameno.

Kishi in databook said Ameno has short to mid range.Also we saw what is distance limit when Sasuke failed to warp Madara who was running.

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[Aznkidd]

he can swap a jacket, but to swap his enemies that can sense everything then nope, unless that person allow him to.

 

[The Necromancer]

he can swap a jacket, but to swap his enemies that can sense everything then nope, unless that person allow him to.

He already did it to both Madara and Kaguya. So... that's just not true.

And reaction time doesn't prevent a jutsu from working on you.

 

[Aznkidd]

He already did it to both Madara and Kaguya. So... that's just not true.

And reaction time doesn't prevent a jutsu from working on you.

you still need chakra to swap and Naruto can just dogde that chakra just like he already did with Sasuke ameno attack and that is manga fact that ameno is USELESS AGAINST NARUTO.

 

[The Necromancer]

you still need chakra to swap and Naruto can just dogde that chakra just like he already did with Sasuke ameno attack and that is manga fact that ameno is USELESS AGAINST NARUTO.

Speculation. So much speculation.

I will not respond to anything but facts from here on out.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

It seemed to me they both poured all their remaining power into those attacks possibly? Maybe sasuke thought the chakra needed to switch something the size of an avatar(if size or amount of people is even an issue with ameno, I'm not sure tbh) wasn't worth risking not being able to match narutos attack? Or,(and this is unlikely honestly)he just didn't think about it?

 

[Chikombo]

Maybe it doesn't work on living things except himself.

 

[Aznkidd]

Speculation. So much speculation.

I will not respond to anything but facts from here on out.

manga fact that ameno didnt work against Naruto

 

[The Necromancer]

It seemed to me they both poured all their remaining power into those attacks possibly? Maybe sasuke thought the chakra needed to switch something the size of an avatar(if size or amount of people is even an issue with ameno, I'm not sure tbh) wasn't worth risking not being able to match narutos attack? Or,(and this is unlikely honestly)he just didn't think about it?

Well Sasuke swapped his own Susano'o avatar effortlessly before, and again after gaining the Bijuu chakra, and as I've said, it seemed as if he still had some remaining Bijuu chakra after the arrow fired, as we can see it still pouring out of his Susano'o while the arrow is in flight, so I really doubt it was chakra.

manga fact that ameno didnt work against Naruto

Manga fact that Chidori didn't work on Naruto. He didn't try to swap Naruto himself. Once again members have failed to understand that S/T speed does not equal striking speed.

Maybe it doesn't work on living things except himself.

I have posted scans showing you the exact opposite. It's happened twice against two different opponents. Both with more chakra than Naruto and with less chakra for Sasuke to use.

 

[Mad Titan Thanos]

Bijuu chakra answers that, and the other is speculation.

Also, if you believe Sasuke can move fast enough to get within range for Ameno, without Naruto even noticing or being able to react, then you've pretty much proved he could do it again easily.

But we both know Naruto has the reaction time to prevent that if any movement is involved whatsoever. It only makes sense that Sasuke didn't have to move.

Thats simply a plot hole like many others or Kishi inconstancy in drawing size.

- Bijuu chakra could be answer

- Same kanjis are used with both S/T jutsus and very fast shunshin . 8 gate Gai had same kanjis around him when he blitzed Madara so maybe that wasnt really a Ameno. PS was enhanced by Bijuu chakra maybe its simply that fast.

- It could be off screen as I said.

- I am pretty sure that using Ameno on something huge as PS requires huge chakra so maybe he didnt have enough to swap places in that clash.

Point is if Sasuke Ameno really had that range than :

1. Sasuke would not have to run in order to swap with Sakura jacket. He barely made it in time.

2. Sasuke would swap Madara instead of failing

3. In databook Ameno would have long range

Its just plot hole like many others.

 

[Joon]

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It sort of does.

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Each time that Sasuke swap, the object or target wasn't moving. I guess he can't swap moving targets.

 

[The Necromancer]

Thats simply a plot hole like many others or Kishi inconstancy in drawing size.

- Bijuu chakra could be answer

- Same kanjis are used with both S/T jutsus and very fast shunshin . 8 gate Gai had same kanjis around him when he blitzed Madara so maybe that wasnt really a Ameno. PS was enhanced by Bijuu chakra maybe its simply that fast.

- It could be off screen as I said.

- I am pretty sure that using Ameno on something huge as PS requires huge chakra so maybe he didnt have enough to swap places in that clash.

Point is if Sasuke Ameno really had that range than :

1. Sasuke would not have to run in order to swap with Sakura jacket. He barely made it in time.

2. Sasuke would swap Madara instead of failing

3. In databook Ameno would have long range

Its just plot hole like many others.

Almost all of those examples are mitigated by the fact that he had Bijuu chakra, but I agree that it is a plot hole. That's the point I was trying to have disproved.

 

[Hit The Legendary Assassi]

It seemed to me they both poured all their remaining power into those attacks possibly? Maybe sasuke thought the chakra needed to switch something the size of an avatar(if size or amount of people is even an issue with ameno, I'm not sure tbh) wasn't worth risking not being able to match narutos attack? Or,(and this is unlikely honestly)he just didn't think about it?

Adult Sasuke should be different, he shouldn't need to use so much chakra on ameno due to experience and mastery over time of the jutsu, so the chakra tax should be significant less seeing how he went from swapping jackets and people to opening portals in space/time