Can someone explain how hashirama is supposed to be the strongest.

twwial · Jul 23, 2012

MC117 said:
I know I shouldn't do it but I can't stop myself from clicking it xd +rep for the advice

I know, sometimes I can't stand their stupid answers and I start to give wood for this flamexd

Lamperouge · Jul 23, 2012

MC117 said:
Yes I know that was not the best logic but still hiruzen was an old man and tobirama and hashirama were both edo + prime orochimaru was there so I don't think its dumb at all :shrug: Hiruzen was a beast. Sealed 2 powerful edos and almost sealed orochimaru. People should stop underrating him, its ridiculous.

He had to sacrifice himself to seal them, i wouldnt call that a win. IF any of the two hokages wouldve been fighting seriously, and werent controlled, bye bye hiruzen. But yea its some what of an achivement to kill yourself and seal 2 kages, and oros jutsus.

TouchMyMangos · Jul 23, 2012

twwial said:
this is the first time I agree with you +rep

lol i'm no longer a troll

Futhermore, Madara's statement (whatever it suggested) is no different to someone like Kisame stating Guy is the only one who could stop him (hypothetically speaking). In the same way Guy was a bad match up for Kisame, Hashirama was merely a bad match up for Madara, especially in the situation where Madara dared to bring the Kyuubi to their fight (as Hashirama is able to suppress and subsequently control Bijuu).

~MC117~ · Jul 23, 2012

onimusha madara said:
Master chief this is your AI cortona and i need to tell you i detect use of the trolligan and fanboy no jutsu it would be advised to steer clear of this area as logic seems to not exist here.

Lol +rep xd

Lamperouge said:
He had to sacrifice himself to seal them, i wouldnt call that a win. IF any of the two hokages wouldve been fighting seriously, and werent controlled, bye bye hiruzen. But yea its some what of an achivement to kill yourself and seal 2 kages, and oros jutsus.

That's what I'm saying the fact that he was able to hold his own against those 3 opponents in his old age is also proof that he was a beast in his prime, he would've been 15 years younger in that fight he would have sealed the hokages and killed oro.

sage22 · Jul 23, 2012

Just like I thought none of hashirama fan can give a good answer to defend him.

Prince of Persia TTT · Jul 23, 2012

Hipster Madara said:
You're funny. :|

Clearly he does if he lived to Nagato's time. U_U
Only way Hiruzen wins is with knowledge. Even then....

after reading your post this is what i have to say

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lol99 · Jul 23, 2012

Madara04 said:
lol i'm no longer a troll

Futhermore, Madara's statement (whatever it suggested) is no different to someone like Kisame stating Guy is the only one who could stop him (hypothetically speaking). In the same way Guy was a bad match up for Kisame, Hashirama was merely a bad match up for Madara, especially in the situation where Madara dared to bring the Kyuubi to their fight (as Hashirama is able to suppress and subsequently control Bijuu).

so mokuton works only against madara?

so hashirama made the kyuubi fight for him?

twwial · Jul 23, 2012

Madara04 said:
lol i'm no longer a troll

Futhermore, Madara's statement (whatever it suggested) is no different to someone like Kisame stating Guy is the only one who could stop him (hypothetically speaking). In the same way Guy was a bad match up for Kisame, Hashirama was merely a bad match up for Madara, especially in the situation where Madara dared to bring the Kyuubi to their fight (as Hashirama is able to suppress and subsequently control Bijuu).

you were not a troll, you were just eager to insult

TouchMyMangos · Jul 23, 2012

lol99 said:
so mokuton works only against madara?

so hashirama made the kyuubi fight for him?

No, simply Mokuton was able to take control of the Kyuubi and it is also likely able to suppress Perfect Susanoo. Are you forgetting that Hiruzen already showed us a very efficient way of countering Mokuton?

Yes, I certainly believe so.

III HOKAGE III · Jul 23, 2012

This kid cant read.. Learn how to read ,re- read the manga and shut the f**k up!

lol99 · Jul 23, 2012

Madara04 said:
No, simply Mokuton was able to take control of the Kyuubi and it is also likely able to suppress Perfect Susanoo. Are you forgetting that Hiruzen already showed us a very efficient way of countering Mokuton?

Yes, I certainly believe so.

enma will counter flower tree world in what way?

:sy: okay believe that

LanselotZ01 · Jul 23, 2012

Hiruzen > Hashirama

TobisPawn · Jul 23, 2012

Madara04 said:
What people need to realise about that fight is, it wasn't meant to prove that Hiruzen could defeat Hashirama and Tobirama at the same time. It was merely to show that Hiruzen had surpassed his predacesors. In any case, there's nothing to suggest that Kishimoto has retconned what he said about Hiruzen, none whatsoever.

Alot of people also don't realise that Hiruzen showed us a very effective counter to Mokuton in the form of Emna.

Exactly what I was thinking.

Hiruzen > Hashirama goes with one of the main themes of the manga, and the Orochimaru fight was meant to show that. That's my take on things. AND there's the fact that Hiruzen, being Hashirama's student, would know most his moves inside out, and, you know, Hiruzen being called the strongest Hokage.

Prime Rib · Jul 23, 2012

hashirama was called the strongest shinobi in his era thats why. madara called him the strongest shinobi, but its just a title

TouchMyMangos · Jul 23, 2012

lol99 said:
enma will counter flower tree world in what way?

:sy: okay believe that

Knowing all the jutsu in Konoha, Hiruzen is probably well placed to counter such a jutsu by using something Fuuton based. Hiruzen is likely to defeat Hashirama simply because he possesses knowledge on Hashirama's abilities. That's what people don't seem to get. Hashirama is certainly more powerful than Hiruzen, but Hiruzen seems more skillful and his expert knowledge is what throws the match in his favour. It's not all about mountain busting techniques you know.

repulse · Jul 23, 2012

Hiruzen is known as the strongest HOKAGE, which I believe means that he was better suited on protecting the villlage than were Hashirama or Tobirama; Hiruzen mastered every ninjutsu in Konoha, meaning he had a wide variety of technique to choose from in order to protect the village. Also, I think he is known as the strongest Hokage because of his intelligence and diplomacy.

So raw power = Hashirama
and being Hokage = Hiruzen

TobisPawn · Jul 23, 2012

Well we'll have to wait and see what Kishi says in the next databook...

sage22 · Jul 23, 2012

repulse said:
Hiruzen is known as the strongest HOKAGE, which I believe means that he was better suited on protecting the villlage than were Hashirama or Tobirama; Hiruzen mastered every ninjutsu in Konoha, meaning he had a wide variety of technique to choose from in order to protect the village. Also, I think he is known as the strongest Hokage because of his intelligence and diplomacy.

So raw power = Hashirama
and being Hokage = Hiruzen

Wow that was just stupid

sage22 · Jul 23, 2012

TobisPawn said:
Well we'll have to wait and see what Kishi says in the next databook...

Why wait til the next databook? He has already covered both of them in previous databooks.

Draegod · Jul 23, 2012

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