Can someone explain how hashirama is supposed to be the strongest.

[-Logic-]

Hiruzen>hashirama. He was called the strongest hokage and before someone come with the usual BS *Madara said that only hashirama can stop him* Madara probably doesn't even know about hiruzen's existence or how strong he was in his prime and hiruzen already owned both Tobirama and Hashirama in part 1. Hiruzen>hashirama, deal with it

You're an idiot...

 

[Hipster Madara]

To be honest, it won't turn into a flamewar if people just remain civilised.

You're funny. :|

Hiruzen>hashirama. He was called the strongest hokage and before someone come with the usual BS *Madara said that only hashirama can stop him* Madara probably doesn't even know about hiruzen's existence or how strong he was in his prime and hiruzen already owned both Tobirama and Hashirama in part 1. Hiruzen>hashirama, deal with it

Clearly he does if he lived to Nagato's time. U_U
Only way Hiruzen wins is with knowledge. Even then....

 

[lol99]

i am yet to see a counter for flower tree world after all these threads

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[l3m0npl3dg3]

Hiruzen is not that strong neither is hashi there are alot of people who can be argued as the strongest besides those two and madara

 

[TouchMyMangos]

The best Hashirama could hope for is a draw if Hiruzen's hand is forced and Shiki Fujin is used.

 

[~MC117~]

You're an idiot...

How? I could say that to you from all your posts in almost every thread.
It was said in the manga that Hiruzen was the strongest hokage so that means that Hiruzen was stronger than hashirama. So how am I an idiot if I was just saying the truth? :sy:

 

[Gooner4life]

I think Hiruzen is stronger, Hashi was a good counter for tailed beasts. Anyone who can control beings of that power must be considered godly, but it doesn't mean that he is more powerful than anyone else it just means he has the means to do something others cannot do, that is why he was considered a fairytale.

Hiruzen knew every justu of the leaf, that would include all of the ones Hashi and Tobirama knew (that weren't kekkai genkai and also hiden techniques), and more, and he had the best summon IMO, which allowed him to counter Mokuton, at least in that fight. There aren't many big things that Kishi has suggested are wrong after the timeskip, so why does everyone assume that this is wrong.

 

[Lamperouge]

Hiruzen>hashirama. He was called the strongest hokage and before someone come with the usual BS *Madara said that only hashirama can stop him* Madara probably doesn't even know about hiruzen's existence or how strong he was in his prime and hiruzen already owned both Tobirama and Hashirama in part 1. Hiruzen>hashirama, deal with it

Not even. Pretty weird logic you got there and by weird i mean dumb.

 

[twwial]

How? I could say that to you from all your posts in almost every thread.
It was said in the manga that Hiruzen was the strongest hokage so that means that Hiruzen was stronger than hashirama. So how am I an idiot if I was just saying the truth? :sy:

you are not an idiot, but let me give you an advice: never touch threads like this one! the fanboys will never understand anyway, they will keep their opinions. You can't debate with them, they know Kishimoto personally

 

[Hipster Madara]

How? I could say that to you from all your posts in almost every thread.
It was said in the manga that Hiruzen was the strongest hokage so that means that Hiruzen was stronger than hashirama. So how am I an idiot if I was just saying the truth? :sy:

Just ignore him, bro.

Not even. Pretty weird logic you got there and by weird i mean dumb.

LMAO xd

 

[sage22]

My point is if hashirama was the strongest why did kishi make him lose to hiruzen, why would kishi make a character say hiruzen is the strongest, n why would he write hiruzen is the strongest in HIS character databook.

 

[~MC117~]

Not even. Pretty weird logic you got there and by weird i mean dumb.

Yes I know that was not the best logic but still hiruzen was an old man and tobirama and hashirama were both edo + prime orochimaru was there so I don't think its dumb at all :shrug: Hiruzen was a beast. Sealed 2 powerful edos and almost sealed orochimaru. People should stop underrating him, its ridiculous.

 

[Hipster Madara]

My point is if hashirama was the strongest why did kishi make him lose to hiruzen, why would kishi make a character say hiruzen is the strongest, n why would he write hiruzen is the strongest in HIS character databook.

1. hype (for the databook)
2. he changed his mind

 

[TouchMyMangos]

- It's never been stated Hashirama was the strongest Hokage.
- Kabuto said there was no Shinobi alive who could match the First Hokage. Hiruzen is dead.
- Hiruzen held his own with Hashirama and Tobirama in his old age.

How did we ever jump to the conclusion Hashirama > Hiruzen anyway?

 

[onimusha madara]

How? I could say that to you from all your posts in almost every thread.
It was said in the manga that Hiruzen was the strongest hokage so that means that Hiruzen was stronger than hashirama. So how am I an idiot if I was just saying the truth? :sy:

Master chief this is your AI cortona and i need to tell you i detect use of the trolligan and fanboy no jutsu it would be advised to steer clear of this area as logic seems to not exist here.

 

[Negative Knight]

xd you guys took the bait of starting this flame war again

 

[Lamperouge]

My point is if hashirama was the strongest why did kishi make him lose to hiruzen, why would kishi make a character say hiruzen is the strongest, n why would he write hiruzen is the strongest in HIS character databook.

1st of all hashirama was being controlled and the person who was controlling him didnt use him to his full potential.

 

[sage22]

1. hype (for the databook)
2. he changed his mind

This is the best explanation I heard yet. Even if its not that good.

 

[twwial]

- It's never been stated Hashirama was the strongest Hokage.
- Kabuto said there was no Shinobi alive who could match the First Hokage. Hiruzen is dead.
- Hiruzen held his own with Hashirama and Tobirama in his old age.

How did we ever jump to the conclusion Hashirama > Hiruzen anyway?

this is the first time I agree with you +rep

 

[~MC117~]

you are not an idiot, but let me give you an advice: never touch threads like this one! the fanboys will never understand anyway, they will keep their opinions. You can't debate with them, they know Kishimoto personally

I know I shouldn't do it but I can't stop myself from clicking it xd +rep for the advice