Can shisuis susanoo spam KA over a large area with no limit?

[bigfatloser]

Then provide manga proof yourself that everyone has it. Sure, Itachi, Sasuke and Madara are confirmed to possess (dunno about Izuna) and Tobi & Kakashi are single-eye wielders of Kamui, but Shisui has only shown a single technique as well, and that was the Koto Amatsukami. Susano'o was rare, Tobi stated that, and just because of the tiny possibility don´t just go overboard in your theories.

if it's so rare why does everyone have it. he's wrong

 

[bigfatloser]

izuna was not mentioned to have a susanoo
Obito was not mentioned to have a susanoo
Shisui was not mentioned to have a susanoo

izuna probably had it we just didn't see it used
obito only has 1 eye
shisui probably had it we just didn't see it used

 

[Aotsuki Katsumi]

if it's so rare why does everyone have it. he's wrong

Three is not everyone god darnit.

 

[bigfatloser]

Three is not everyone god darnit.

100% of all main uchiha with 2 ms have had it. or were only shown for like 2 seconds but also have it but couldn't show it for plot reasons (like death or losing eyes).

 

[insid3rkil3r]

if it's so rare why does everyone have it. he's wrong

Thats the thing.... not everyone has it...

Shisui didnt have it
Izuna didnt have it
Kakashi doesnt have it
Obito doesnt have it

We have Sasuke, Itachi and Madara

Only the finest Uchihas have access to such power.

While in no mean am i implaying KA and Kamui arent OP in their own right..... Obito commented on how he wouldnt want to looose a pair of eyes who could awaken Susano (referring to Sasuke's at the summit.


Not many had the potential to awaken the Mangekyo, and Susano is a rarity among the Mangekyo users as said by Obito himself

KA takes rediculous time to recharge (10 years)
Kamui is OP but Obito likely can only use it to such extent because of the Senju DNA



The third Databook had it stated that only wielders of Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi could awake Susano. No one but Sasuke, Itachi officially have those... Madara likely does as well.

 

[Aotsuki Katsumi]

100% of all main uchiha with 2 ms have had it. or were only shown for like 2 seconds but also have it but couldn't show it for plot reasons (like death or losing eyes).

Wait, are you saying that the main ones are the only ones who matter? Susano'o is not a general Mangekyo ability, it manifests in a few individuals who awaken it, and the ones we´ve seen capable of Susano'o just happen to be major characters out of plot reasons.

It´s hard to see how reasonably you´re looking at this. Narrow it down a little will you?

 

[bigfatloser]

Wait, are you saying that the main ones are the only ones who matter? Susano'o is not a general Mangekyo ability, it manifests in a few individuals who awaken it, and the ones we´ve seen capable of Susano'o just happen to be major characters out of plot reasons.

It´s hard to see how reasonably you´re looking at this. Narrow it down a little will you?

what... Madara didn't even show amaratsu... why do you need it to have susano... what is susano... is it alive or is it just chakra... are susanoos demons...?

 

[insid3rkil3r]

what... Madara didn't even show amaratsu... why do you need it to have susano... what is susano... is it alive or is it just chakra... are susanoos demons...?

Susano is materialised chakra... its not an entity of his own....

Why do u need to have Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi for it? Who knows... kishi just made it that these are pre-requirements for the use of Susano... it's way to tell us that even among elite Uchihas who have had access to the Mangekyo... only a handfull have the potential to get such power.... as we saw from Madara, Susano is the ultimate jutsu when it is exploited to its fullest potential (reaching EMS)

And its true that Madara didnt show it.... but the databook did say it was needed in order to attain Susano....so if this statement is still canon... it means Madara does have them.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Does he even have Susanoo to begin with?

 

[bigfatloser]

Susano is materialised chakra... its not an entity of his own....

Why do u need to have Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi for it? Who knows... kishi just made it that these are pre-requirements for the use of Susano... it's way to tell us that even among elite Uchihas who have had access to the Mangekyo... only a handfull have the potential to get such power.... as we saw from Madara, Susano is the ultimate jutsu when it is exploited to its fullest potential (reaching EMS)

so thats why if shisui does have it it can spam KA. or can he not have susanoo if he has KA already cause that's one of his eye powers. or does he have two eye powers. does he have double ka (so twice every 10 years basically)?

 

[Aotsuki Katsumi]

what... Madara didn't even show amaratsu... why do you need it to have susano... what is susano... is it alive or is it just chakra... are susanoos demons...?

Technically the Susano'o are inspired by the Tengu from japanese mythology, a type of Yokai (japanese demons). Susano'o, the god of seas and storms had some sort of influence on the Tengu but I´ve forgot exactly what. The Susano'o in Naruto is an ability to manifest one's chakra in a special spiritual form under the wielder's control, but like Tobi said it´s a rarity and Sasuke claims it needs Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi in order to manifest. We 'assume' that Madara has those two as well cuz it´s the only thing we can go on. He might just not show them for plot reasons or the developers shortening down the fights by merely using Susano'o.... I dunno.

But we have to go on Tobi's word on that it´s rare, and he received teachings from Madara himself on subjects such as those, who was the first to awaken the Mangekyo Sharingan itself.

 

[insid3rkil3r]

so thats why if shisui does have it it can spam KA. or can he not have susanoo if he has KA already cause that's one of his eye powers. or does he have two eye powers. does he have double ka (so twice every 10 years basically)?

Here is the Databook entry.

There are two doujutsu the use of which is allowed exclusively to those who have awakened to the clairvoyant eyes of Heaven, the Mangekyou Sharingan: Amaterasu, which speaks of Light and the material world, and Tsukuyomi, symbolizing the spiritual world and Darkness**. Only in them who hold both of those, dwells the power of the wild, rampaging god... Susanoo. The materialized chakra shapes itself after the wargod's commanding face and powerful physique, and the fierce spirit won't subside until the destruction of all the enemies in its line of sight...!!

But Shisui doesnt have Amaterasu, or Tsukuyomi or Susano as far as we know... he has none so its completly impossible for you to say he has it.

As far as the number of technique goes... i dont know if there is a limit.... but so far the max numbers we have seen is three... which are Sasuke and Itachi's mangekyo. Madara should have three as well.

From what we saw, Shisui had two usage of KA per year, one from his right eye, one from his left.

Danzo took the eye of Shisui which was working.... and Shisui gave the other one to Itachi, yet this one was still recharging according to Itachi who mentionned he couldnt use it on Sasuke back then.

 

[KingHashirama]

It only affects 1 person o-o

 

[bigfatloser]

Technically the Susano'o are inspired by the Tengu from japanese mythology, a type of Yokai (japanese demons). Susano'o, the god of seas and storms had some sort of influence on the Tengu but I´ve forgot exactly what. The Susano'o in Naruto is an ability to manifest one's chakra in a special spiritual form under the wielder's control, but like Tobi said it´s a rarity and Sasuke claims it needs Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi in order to manifest. We 'assume' that Madara has those two as well cuz it´s the only thing we can go on. He might just not show them for plot reasons or the developers shortening down the fights by merely using Susano'o.... I dunno.

But we have to go on Tobi's word on that it´s rare, and he received teachings from Madara himself on subjects such as those, who was the first to awaken the Mangekyo Sharingan itself.

what are shisuis eye powers. does he have two KA eyes? itachi had KA from one eye and Danzo had KA from the other. so Shisui had two KA? that he could use every 10 years each? would he live long enough to go blind???

 

[Aotsuki Katsumi]

what are shisuis eye powers. does he have two KA eyes? itachi had KA from one eye and Danzo had KA from the other. so Shisui had two KA? that he could use every 10 years each? would he live long enough to go blind???

Ahahaha, there I have no idea myself, but like Obito's eyes which could separately access Kamui, the same seems to apply for Shisui's Koto Amatsukami (KA). I myself wonder when exactly he attained the Mangekyo and how they made the details on the technique from his lifetime alone unless someone a long time ago held the same ability.

 

[bigfatloser]

Ahahaha, there I have no idea myself, but like Obito's eyes which could separately access Kamui, the same seems to apply for Shisui's Koto Amatsukami (KA). I myself wonder when exactly he attained the Mangekyo and how they made the details on the technique from his lifetime alone unless someone a long time ago held the same ability.

yes, given that he only ever used it twice, it's strange that people seem to know about it. Even some random ninja at the meeting of the kages knew about the power that was literally only ever used twice before (that we know about).

 

[insid3rkil3r]

what are shisuis eye powers. does he have two KA eyes? itachi had KA from one eye and Danzo had KA from the other. so Shisui had two KA? that he could use every 10 years each? would he live long enough to go blind???

As far as we know... Shisui has only Genjutsu powers with his mangekyo.

Itachi mentionned that KA was shisui strongest Mangekyo genjutsu, so unless it's a translation error... Shisui may have different Genjutsu tehcniques born from his Mangekyo.

yes, given that he only ever used it twice, it's strange that people seem to know about it. Even some random ninja at the meeting of the kages knew about the power that was literally only ever used twice before (that we know about).

Well thats because Aoi (is that his name ) fought Shisui in the past... so he was able to make the link between Danzo's power and Shisui's.

 

[ethan201222]

Umm, no. Even amongst Mangekyo wielders the Susano'o was a rarity, despite the fact that we´ve got three who can wield it but that is just three out of perhaps a dozen or so Mangekyo users who ever existed.

Now you are exxagerating...only MS were itachi..sasuke..madara...madara's brother izuna...shisui...obito and kakashi/hanzo if you even include the non-uchiha

 

[bigfatloser]

As far as me know... Shisui has only Genjutsu powers with his mangekyo.

Itachi mentionned that KA was shisui strongest Mangekyo genjutsu, so unless it's a translation error... Shisui may have different Genjutsu tehcniques born from his Mangekyo.



Well thats because Aoi (is that his name ) fought Shisui in the past... so he was able to make the link between Danzo's power and Shisui's.

I thought each eye could only have 1 power though. so how could he have multiple genjutsus from his MS if both eyes were already shown using KA. Also how did that guy know about shisui's power in the first place... I'm assuming shisui didn't use it on him, and that even if he did, how the hell would they know it was his MS power and that it was a mega powerful genjutsu?

 

[Aotsuki Katsumi]

Now you are exxagerating...only MS were itachi..sasuke..madara...madara's brother izuna...shisui...obito and kakashi/hanzo if you even include the non-uchiha

I was referring to the maximum, not just the known characters. But for there to be so much information about the Mangekyo there have to be more users than those we´ve heard of don´t you think?