Can Sasuke use Tsukuyomi?

[Bronze]

But Enton is his second eye power. It was stated AND shown that he uses Amaterasu in one eye and controls it w/ Enton in the other. Susano'o's requirements of Tsukiyomi and Amaterasu were obviously retconned because later on in the manga it was just stated that you have to unlock power in both eyes.

I've seen people claim that the genjutsu he used on Bee was his Tsukiyomi, but if that's the case why didn't Sasuke unlock Susano'o there? The answer is simple: because it wasn't Tsukiyomi and he didn't unlock his second eye power. It wasn't until the 5 Kage Summit that Sasuke unlocked his second eye power (Enton) which then unlocked Susano'o (because he unlocked powers in both eyes).

No. MS technique means something unique. Enton is merely Amatersu manipulation, nothing more. Nothing contradicted the Databook, and if you're referring Sasuke's panel of Susanoo, you're misinterpreting it. VIZ translation uses content of ''third power'' referring to Susanoo. This means 2 other powers are needed to unlock the third power(Susanoo), and they are Amatersu and Tsukuyomi supported by Itachi and the Databook. Sasuke didn't contradict. He actually supported if you understand the context.

It was Tsukuyomi. He felt pain in his eyes and the background of Genjutsu was dark like Itachi's. If it was normal Genjutsu, then no point in activating MS. Sasuke didn't awaken at that time, because he didn't the skill. Susanoo is rare. You cant awaken by the next day you activated MS.

 

[Ninja no kami]

well, if you're talking about "can", then yes.
Remember the fight b/w itachi, sasuke and kabuto-they both used tsukiyomi to get out!
He simply doesn't use it much, as it is itachi's primary one..so kishi won't give it to sasuke!

 

[Draphsin]

Sasuke doesnt have it, his MS genjutsu isnt strong.

Maybe with Itachi's tomoes he has improved in genjutsu but he still doesnt have anything on the level of tsukuyomi, Itachi's personal MS dojutsu.

Wow didn't know this thread would get so many replies :O

You just created a hot thread, now I'm gonna most likely have to prove that sasuke doesn't have tsukuyomi. u_u

 

[Deleted member 87095]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=14460067" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-14460067">Madara Rules said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent"> -He awakened Susanoo, and Susanoo requires Amatersu + TSUKUYOMI stated in Databook and Manga.<br /> -He is planning to cast it on the world, hence why its called TSUKYOMI. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink"><a>Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Here Sasuke explains how a person gets the Susanoo. <div class="messageHide messageHide--image"> You must be registered for see images </div><br /> <br /> Its simply a misunderstanding with the databook that people get. To get the Susanoo, you need to get your 2 MS techniques awakened, hence in Itachis case Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi. To get Susanoo you dont have to get both powers Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi, this is what people think.. no no.<br /> <br /> What you need is to unlock your 2 OWN specific powers in MS, each in one eye, and when you unlocked them you get the Susanoo. By the fact Kishi has given us this is really obvious how you get a susanoo. However if what I said now isnt true, then this wouldnt imply to Madara.<br /> Madara: He got his two tricks unlocked<br /> Sasuke: Amaterasu and blaze release<br /> Itachi: Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi<br /> sasuke couldnt use Tsukuyomi, and dont get to butthurt and say that he isnt able to because its hard, his life was depending on this moment ofc he should have used it then.<br /> <div class="messageHide messageHide--image"> You must be registered for see images </div><br /> <br /> The best argument to have is that Obito doesnt have the susanoo. This is because he hasnt his other ORIGINAL eye, so therefore he couldnt get it when he implanted another uchiha eye in his left side. I mean, if he did have the Susanoo, why not use it? And just to be clear, the databook is outdated information.<br /> <br /> <div class="messageHide messageHide--image"> You must be registered for see images </div><br /> Now, Itachi said to Sasuke how HE HIMSELF got HIS OWN Susanoo, basically he just awakened his own jutsus and got it. If he had another jutsu awakening like, Kamui instead of amaterasu, then he also could get the Susanoo. It requires the users own awakened jutsus, not just tsuku. That was itachis susanoo only</div>

 

[Xēnovia.]

Hmm, judging from the Killerbee fight he used a Genjutsu that's awfully similar to tsukuyomi and he suffered a pain aftermath from it.​

 

[EternalKaze7]

I guarantee you: kishi fuuukd up the rule book and theres alot of errors, sasuke can't use tsukuyomi; when he uses it he never says Tsukuyomi he says Sharingan Genjutsu but if you want to call it that I guess its like calling blaze release- amaterasu. However MADARA HAS NEVER USED AMATERASU so this means that Susanoo is unlocked by having two identical mangekyo sharingan (as TRULY stated in the manga) and at least being able to unlock it with a strong enough chakra.

 

[Draphsin]

@xAj: Lol Maybe not

 

[Young Vongola]

once again your logic is flawed and wrong.

according to itachi+madara+kishi

you need

Amatersu+Tsukyomi to unlock suanno

Enton was his MS power child.


ot- he has it, thats like asking if naruto has ball of charak jutsu

When did Madara ever say the requirements for Susano'o? For all we know he can't even use Amaterasu.

Databook is useless. Shit is full of hyperbolic statements and contradictions of what we've seen in the actual manga.

Give me real evidence that Sasuke can use Tsukuyomi, because I'm pretty sure he casts Ama with his left eye and controls w/ his right and uses regular Sharingan genjutsu.

 

[Bronze]

Here Sasuke explains how a person gets the Susanoo.

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Its simply a misunderstanding with the databook that people get. To get the Susanoo, you need to get your 2 MS techniques awakened, hence in Itachis case Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi. To get Susanoo you dont have to get both powers Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi, this is what people think.. no no.

What you need is to unlock your 2 OWN specific powers in MS, each in one eye, and when you unlocked them you get the Susanoo. By the fact Kishi has given us this is really obvious how you get a susanoo. However if what I said now isnt true, then this wouldnt imply to Madara.
Madara: He got his two tricks unlocked
Sasuke: Amaterasu and blaze release
Itachi: Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi
sasuke couldnt use Tsukuyomi, and dont get to butthurt and say that he isnt able to because its hard, his life was depending on this moment ofc he should have used it then.

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The best argument to have is that Obito doesnt have the susanoo. This is because he hasnt his other ORIGINAL eye, so therefore he couldnt get it when he implanted another uchiha eye in his left side. I mean, if he did have the Susanoo, why not use it? And just to be clear, the databook is outdated information.

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Now, Itachi said to Sasuke how HE HIMSELF got HIS OWN Susanoo, basically he just awakened his own jutsus and got it. If he had another jutsu awakening like, Kamui instead of amaterasu, then he also could get the Susanoo. It requires the users own awakened jutsus, not just tsuku. That was itachis susanoo only

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VIZ translation uses content of ''third power'' referring to Susanoo. This means 2 other powers are needed to unlock the third power(Susanoo), and they are Amatersu and Tsukuyomi supported by Itachi and the Databook. Sasuke didn't contradict. He actually supported if you understand the context.

Regarding your second scan, it doesn't matter. Genjutsu can cancel other Genjutsu. Him not using Tsukuyomi doesn't mean he cant use it.

Your third part, Itachi referred to himself, because he was the only Susanoo user at that time. So he wouldn't include others. And if Susanoo is awakened by 2 per MS, then Shisui another 2 per MS would have been noted to use it, yet he wasn't as he didn't possess the requirement. And even proving my point, that the fact Black Zetsu(Madara's will) had also automatically knew about Tsukuyomi and Amatersu which implies Madara also had them as his other half knew them. This the Databook statement:

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Susanoo = Amatersu + Tsukuyomi. Manga and Databook fact. This is my thread solving this misconception:

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Apparently people think Susanoo doesn't need Amatersu and Tsukuyomi because of what Sasuke said:

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I think people should analyze the scan carefully and try to come up with the correct conclusion. The scan i posted is a VIZ of course so there should be no mistake since VIZ is the most accurate translation you will ever find.

Sasuke of course says that only people who have awakened 2 MS (Mangekyou Sharingan) can achieve the 3rd power which is Susanoo.

Now to analyze it carefully, we need to look at the words and read them more than once, then we have to pick the key words. What are the Key words in Sasuke's statement:

1- 2 MS in both eyes
2- Third Power

This is the biggest mistake people make when it comes to this, they tend to take 1 words and forget about the others which leads to this misunderstanding. But i guess its about time a solve this misconception once and for all.

Notes: Every MS user has a different power but right now, we're talking about Susanoo.

Susanoo has stated to be the 3rd power of the Mangekyou Sharingan by Sasuke and Itachi's statement as well as the DataBook. Okay so if Susanoo is the 3rd power then that means there must be 2 powers for you to awaken in order to access to the 3rd power which is susnaoo. So what are the 2 powers you have to awaken in order to achieve susanoo? Tsukuyomi and Amatersu.

3rd Power = Susanoo > 2 Powers Must Be Achieved In Order To Access To The 3rd Power > MS In Both Eyes > Tsukuyomi + Amatersu.

That is what Sasuke has really meant in that statement. It is basic logic that if you have 3rd power then that means, you must have achieved 2 so you can use the 3rd one.

Now people are gonna ask me, how i knew that amatersu and tsukuyomi needed for susanoo. Well thanks to Itachi and the DataBook explainning that Susanoo = Amatersu + Tsukuyomi:

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^^ there. Manga proof and Databook (which is written by kishi) have said it and with the help of Sasuke's statement that i have analyzed just right now is now 100% that susanoo does indeed require tsukuyomi and amatersu.

Before people go, sasuke hasn't used tsukuyomi, well he has against Killer Bee. Madara already has 1 for the eye moon plan which requires tsukuyomi and he has amatersu to use susanoo.

i hope everything is clear now:O

Thank You...Madara Rules

 

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<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=14460171" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-14460171">Madara Rules said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent"> No. MS technique means something unique. Enton is merely Amatersu manipulation, nothing more. Nothing contradicted the Databook, and if you're referring Sasuke's panel of Susanoo, you're misinterpreting it. VIZ translation uses content of ''third power'' referring to Susanoo. This means 2 other powers are needed to unlock the third power(Susanoo), and they are Amatersu and Tsukuyomi supported by Itachi and the Databook. Sasuke didn't contradict. He actually supported if you understand the context.<br /> <br /> It was Tsukuyomi. He felt pain in his eyes and the background of Genjutsu was dark like Itachi's. If it was normal Genjutsu, then no point in activating MS. Sasuke didn't awaken at that time, because he didn't the skill. Susanoo is rare. You cant awaken by the next day you activated MS. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink"><a>Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Please, you cannot support your opinion when you even cant get proof of the uchihas with susanoo using tsuku. Trust me, if Madara had that jutsu, he would use it. And according to Kishi, The God Tree is creation of all things or something along the lines. the juubi is from it and chakra too, so it is logical to assume that the tsukuyomi can be used by manupilating the tree</div>

 

[Deleted member 87095]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=14460295" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-14460295">Madara Rules said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent"> <div class="messageHide messageHide--image"> You must be registered for see images </div><br /> <br /> VIZ translation uses content of ''third power'' referring to Susanoo. This means 2 other powers are needed to unlock the third power(Susanoo), and they are Amatersu and Tsukuyomi supported by Itachi and the Databook. Sasuke didn't contradict. He actually supported if you understand the context.<br /> <br /> Regarding your second scan, it doesn't matter. Genjutsu can cancel other Genjutsu. Him not using Tsukuyomi doesn't mean he cant use it.<br /> <br /> Your third part, Itachi referred to himself, <b>because he was the only Susanoo user at that time. So he wouldn't include others</b>. And if Susanoo is awakened by 2 per MS, then Shisui another 2 per MS would have been noted to use it, yet he wasn't as he didn't possess the requirement. And even proving my point, that the fact Black Zetsu(Madara's <b><u>will</u></b>) had also automatically knew about Tsukuyomi and Amatersu which implies Madara also had them as his other half knew them. This the Databook statement:<br /> <div class="messageHide messageHide--image"> You must be registered for see images </div><br /> <br /> Susanoo = Amatersu + Tsukuyomi. Manga and Databook fact. This is my thread solving this misconception:<br /> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink"><a>Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>I think you are too butthurt to realise the fact that the two powers required to get the third, is the individuals two awakened powers in both eyes. Clearly if you want to use proofs to back up your statement, then you need proof to back up the counterarguments. Well, lets say that its true that you need to get both ama and tsuku to unlock susannoo, then why hasnt Madara showed a glimpse of those powers? its clearly a misunderstanding with the databook, and you are to naive</div>

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Sasuke doesnt have it, his MS genjutsu isnt strong.

Maybe with Itachi's tomoes he has improved in genjutsu but he still doesnt have anything on the level of tsukuyomi, Itachi's personal MS dojutsu.



You just created a hot thread, now I'm gonna most likely have to prove that sasuke doesn't have tsukuyomi. u_u

Then you will bring in multiple scans and afterwards people will ignore it.

 

[Bronze]

I think you are too butthurt to realise the fact that the two powers required to get the third, is the individuals two awakened powers in both eyes. Clearly if you want to use proofs to back up your statement, then you need proof to back up the counterarguments. Well, lets say that its true that you need to get both ama and tsuku to unlock susannoo, then why hasnt Madara showed a glimpse of those powers? its clearly a misunderstanding with the databook, and you are to naive

How pathetic. Not only denying the words of the most accurate translation, Viz, but also denying the context for his favours. Looks like i cant argue with denial.

Susanoo = Amatersu + Tsukuyomi.

 

[EternalFlame]

He does have it, he just chooses not to use it.

When he uses Genjutsu he tends to use lower level forms that take up much less chakra, not as impactful but he's shown a lot of skill. Using the most basic of Genjutsu to outsmart his opponents.

 

[Deleted member 87095]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=14460295" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-14460295">Madara Rules said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent"> <div class="messageHide messageHide--image"> You must be registered for see images </div><br /> <br /> VIZ translation uses content of ''third power'' referring to Susanoo. This means 2 other powers are needed to unlock the third power(Susanoo), and they are Amatersu and Tsukuyomi supported by Itachi and the Databook. Sasuke didn't contradict. He actually supported if you understand the context.<br /> <br /> Regarding your second scan, it doesn't matter. Genjutsu can cancel other Genjutsu. Him not using Tsukuyomi doesn't mean he cant use it.<br /> <br /> Your third part, Itachi referred to himself, <b>because he was the only Susanoo user at that time. So he wouldn't include others</b>. And if Susanoo is awakened by 2 per MS, then Shisui another 2 per MS would have been noted to use it, yet he wasn't as he didn't possess the requirement. And even proving my point, that the fact Black Zetsu(Madara's <b><u>will</u></b>) had also automatically knew about Tsukuyomi and Amatersu which implies Madara also had them as his other half knew them. This the Databook statement:<br /> <div class="messageHide messageHide--image"> You must be registered for see images </div><br /> <br /> Susanoo = Amatersu + Tsukuyomi. Manga and Databook fact. This is my thread solving this misconception:<br /> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink"><a>Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote> <div class="messageHide messageHide--image"> You must be registered for see images </div><br /> Here in this pictures of yours taken from the databook, it says that the two jutsus would be allowed to use/get by those who have awakened the MS. in this statement that got written in the time Itachi showed his susanoo, it refers only to Itachi himself. Since he was the only example of susanoo user of that time. just to include more prove to the statement of the databook, the writer just bringed up both Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi to conclude it as the example of the two awakened powers of MS. itachi was the only one who was an example of that, therefore it isnt stated kamui, blaze relase or kotoamatsukami. OMG, it even says here that susanoo is the strength of those who have awakened the two powers that resides in both eyes. Those who have mastered both their hidden techniqiues gets the Susanoo. Please, obey the facts.</div>

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

How pathetic. Not only denying the words of the most accurate translation, Viz, but also denying the context for his favours. Looks like i cant argue with denial.

Susanoo = Amatersu + Tsukuyomi.

Correct:Unlocking both MS powers=Susanoo.The databook is outdated and contradicts several things from the manga.

 

[Draphsin]

@Madara rules:

Read the whole DB before making assumptions.

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This proves that if you believe sasuke & madara have ama & tsukuyomi then you also believe that their susanoo's wield both totsuka & yata which makes zero sense because there is only one yata & totsuka & their in itachi's possession.

Furthermore, how many casters are in the DB? one, that's Itachi. This DB is outdated & has not taken into consideration madara or sasuke's MS powers, let alone their susanoo. Now that sasuke has through the manga there is literally no more room for argument.

 

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<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=14460414" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-14460414">Draphsin said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent"> @Madara rules:<br /> <br /> Read the <b>whole</b> DB before making assumptions.<br /> <br /> <div class="messageHide messageHide--image"> You must be registered for see images </div><br /> <br /> This proves that if you believe sasuke &amp; madara have ama <i>&amp; tsukuyomi</i> then you also believe that their susanoo's wield both totsuka &amp; yata which makes zero sense because there is only one yata &amp; totsuka &amp; their in itachi's possession. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink"><a>Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>he gets real butthurt, a naive person.. good catch!</div>

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

He does have it, he just chooses not to use it.

When he uses Genjutsu he tends to use lower level forms that take up much less chakra, not as impactful but he's shown a lot of skill. Using the most basic of Genjutsu to outsmart his opponents.

No he does'nt.Show manga scans of Sasuke having Tsukiyomi that does'nt rely on the outdated databook info.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

@Madara rules:

Read the whole DB before making assumptions.

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This proves that if you believe sasuke & madara have ama & tsukuyomi then you also believe that their susanoo's wield both totsuka & yata which makes zero sense because there is only one yata & totsuka & their in itachi's possession.

Furthermore, how many casters are in the DB? one, that's Itachi. This DB is outdated & has not taken into consideration madara or sasuke's MS powers, let alone their susanoo. Now that sasuke has through the manga there is literally no more room for argument.

C'mon Draphsin...we both know people will keep denying any manga scans that disprove their belief that Tsukiyomi and Amaterasu aren't needed for Susanoo.