Can Sasuke cast Tomoe Rinnegan Genjutsu without eye contact?

[Naruto X Hunter]

Sasuke needs to use eye contact though. He is no Itachi who can use all of his 5 senses to catch others on a genjutsu. Sasuke practically uses eyes for every of his genjutsu. Also just because Itachi has it doesn't mean Sasuke would have the same. That's a pretty bad strecth and bad assumption. No he can't use a genjutsu from practically anywhere otherwise he would be as equally praised for it as Itachi.

How could he have made eye contact with them all at the same time?

Well doesn't that just mean that it is simply a Genjutsu like Kaguya's. The first step is to connect to the victim eventually robbing them of movement and consciousness with the end result being complete paralysis, and then places them in an illusion wherein the caster can extract chakra from the victim.

If it's like Kaguya's I don't think it's bijuu specific, or just used to subjugate them

Well said.

 

[Obito the supreme jin]

How could he have made eye contact with them all at the same time?

When he used the Rinnegan to capture the beasts, all of the Bijuu eyes fell pray into his eye contact. Closing your eyes doesn't help either because as shown the rays reflected from IT can get to people with their eyes closed. Sasuke's one gaze caused all the beasts to be paralyzed to the genjutsu. The range of the genjutsu is big. It was pure eye contact and basically here he caught all of the beats by surprise. Whether their eyes were open before doesn't matter because the Sharinnegan genjutsu can get through that so I don't see why it isn't possible for a 6T rinne genjustu to do the same.

His Rinnegan genjutsu has a wide range so it was simple for him.

 

[Troyg39]

kurama tried to attack him before sasuke casted the genjutsu, after sasuke casted it, all kurama could do was beg for help, it couldnt move, same with the other bijjus.

Right...he was physically suppressed..not mentally suppressed. I already showed the panel where Kurama is visibly struggling to attack him even after being caught. But you got it.

Well doesn't that just mean that it is simply a Genjutsu like Kaguya's.

No because Kaguya's TSUKUYOMI involves a clear illusionary aspect, which is what genjutsu (illusionary techniques) is all about, while it's unclear whether Sasuke's genjutsu actually causes illusions. I'm going off what genjutsu is supposed to do by definition, not whether or not a target is simply paralyzed. The illusions/false images/5 senses being altered is what defines genjutsu.

Nor am I trying to say Sasuke's Rinne Gen isn't real genjutsu. I feel like that's what some of you are getting out of what I'm saying but that's not the case. I'm simply saying it's special compared to traditional genjutsu and stating my reasoning.

The first step is to connect to the victim eventually robbing them of movement and consciousness

No. We just established that with MT, the first step of the light casting clearly doesn't rob you of consciousness, only movement. That was the point of the Hinata example you threw out and I used. The consciousness is taken away when the illusions begin, after being wrapped in the cocoon.

with the end result being complete paralysis, and then places them in an illusion wherein the caster can extract chakra from the victim.

Paralysis =\= genjutsu. Extracting chakra =\= genjutsu. There isn't a clear example of Sasuke's Rinnegan actually causing illusions or altering any of the 5 senses. We only see it physically suppress the bijuu, just like a chakra rod would, which is also specific to Rinnegan so what I'm saying is not so far fetched.

The only thing that's visibly clear from the brief moments of Sasuke's jutsu is that it physically stopped the bijuu. We don't get to see the other bijuu except for the initial casting, so we can't determine their mental state. But we ARE shown Kurama a few times before Sasuke traps them in CT. In them, he's physically stopped but clearly mentally in tact, something that wouldn't normally be the case under most genjutsu. And he remained so from start up until being put in CT, as he tried to attack Sasuke before the casting, we see him still trying to struggle and attack him, then see him ask for help even as the last rock in CT traps him for good. I posted the scans already.

If it's like Kaguya's I don't think it's bijuu specific, or just used to subjugate them

It clearly not like Kaguya's, which summons a giant tree to trap you in an infinite dream :|. And no, it may not be bijuu specific, that was just something I threw out there. But it doesn't matter. The point wasn't that Sasuke's Rinne Gen isn't like normal genjutsu because it's only for the bijuu, but it's not like normal gen because it doesn't appear to do the one thing that makes a genjutsu a genjutsu by definition.

To me, it's a unique form of genjutsu. But either way, not much else I can elaborate on with this so you got it

 

[Jiren]

There isn't any method of the Sharingan usage to where someone can cast Genjutsu without eye-contact. Unless you're referring to Itachi's Genjutsu mastery to where he learned to place strong Genjutsu with just simple bodily actions.

In terms of how Sasuke caught all Bijuu at once, it's just simply stated that he gazed upon them all. Eye contact is necessarily required unless of course the Genjutsu is the Infinite Tsukuyomi, or activated through other methods (like Kurenai or Itachi's Genjutsu's for instance).

Sadly the Data-Book didn't go into detail.


Agreed. That's my problem with the Genjutsu, Kishimoto left too much out. It's implied that Sasuke glanced at them, but we all know that Genjutsu via Dojutsu usually is transferred through Eye Contact.

I won't believe anything the anime does after these fillers. Hagoromo with the Sharingan :lol


Chidori too :lol !!!

Izanagi and Izamai,KA are all sharingan genjutsus.

 

[explore]

you need eye contact to cast it