can minato dodge amaterasu

[TrollingSage]

Really, when Obito himself states that he was cautious of Itachi? Combat mode or no combat mode, the fact that he makes a statement immediately after using Izanagi declares this speculation null and void. He was fully expecting Itachi to kill him before he revealed the truth to Sasuke.

No he hasn't. Not from any angle. Obito's FTG was superior than Minato's way back. In fact, Minato himself declared this for Obito's S/T:

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- which obviously cannot be used without reflex actions as he uses the same technique to teleport himself or his individual parts that come in contact with the attack and is an obvious proof right from the horse's mouth. In terms of S/T, there is no comparison.

Also, if it was something automatic and not dependent on reflex action, then Amaterasu would have never made contact. It was because he was unable to react to it that hit hit him square in the frontal region of his shoulder blade. The only reason Minato even won was because he struck a second earlier, NOT because his speed was faster:

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and he escaped Twice with FTG, not his reflex action or base speed. According to Konan as well, when Obito uses Kamui to completely warp himself away instead of making himself tangible, this technique is slower in comparison.

Here, Obito effortlessly reacted to Minato's attack -

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. The fact that Obito was keeping up with KCM Naruto at Base Speed and phase through every single attack proves his superiority in this manner. Heck, even BM Naruto was incapable of landing any hit on him together with two other Shinobi.

By and By, it is a solid fact that Amaterasu cannot be evaded without intel as it spawns on the objected on which the eye is focused. A pumped 'Bijuu level' chakra into his cloak to step aside when it was spawning. That is how he evaded it. Without intel, Minato is toast.

1. He was cautious of Itachi, not Sasuke. I don't see how that's relevant seeing as Itachi was already dead. He wasn't expecting an attack, end of.
2. Kamui being better than FTG doesnt mean its better than it in every aspect. Minato was simply referring to the fact that he can teleport anywhere without the need for seals. The fact that Minato was able to escape with FTG after Obito had already started warping him proves FTG is faster and kamui isn't instant.

3. Apart from a few instances where he blitzed Kisame and deflected a few tbbs, Naruto hasnt really been portrayed using his speed. Heck even Nagato was able to counter him.
And lastly , Minato struck a second earlier because he reacted a second early. He already won the battle of speed with Obito.

 

[shelke]

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1- Now we are making even less sense than before. Obito was cautious and expected Itachi to keep Sasuke away from truth. He even saw Amaterasu coming. You can actually see the scans. This is another manga fact.

2 - Minato himself disagrees with you and so does Kakashi. Another manga fact. Obito's S/T is superior which means they provide the 'teleportation' aspect in a faster and better manner. Try to stay in context and stop twisting simple statements around. You are just wrong. The manga supports this on two occasions, once through Minato's clear use of the word 'exceed'.

3 - I don't think so pal. KCM Naruto is the fastest shinobi in the entire manga. He didn't react a second earlier, he simply made a move first; it's called strategy as he figured Obito's moves. Obito obviously was not aware that his S/T technique had been analyzed. It's simple strategy and a matter of common sense. Minato's words: "Whoever strikes a split second earlier wins." Now you are just grasping at straws.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Raikage blows that logic out the water.

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He was expecting it and was building up his chakra for that Body Flicker.If Minato is for Amaterasu to hit him then he can avoid it, but otherwise it's near instant.

 

[TrollingSage]

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1- Now we are making even less sense than before. Obito was cautious and expected Itachi to keep Sasuke away from truth. He even saw Amaterasu coming. You can actually see the scans. This is another manga fact.

2 - Minato himself disagrees with you and so does Kakashi. Another manga fact. Obito's S/T is superior which means they provide the 'teleportation' aspect in a faster and better manner. Try to stay in context and stop twisting simple statements around. You are just wrong. The manga supports this on two occasions, once through Minato's clear use of the word 'exceed'.

3 - I don't think so pal. KCM Naruto is the fastest shinobi in the entire manga. He didn't react a second earlier, he simply made a move first; it's called strategy as he figured Obito's moves. Obito obviously was not aware that his S/T technique had been analyzed. It's simple strategy and a matter of common sense. Minato's words: "Whoever strikes a split second earlier wins." Now you are just grasping at straws.

1. He wasn't surprised Itachi set a trap for him. That doesn't mean he knew exactly what Itachi was planning. He wouldnt have shown his sharingan otherwise. To make it easier to understand, here's an illustration.
I scared my brother last night by hiding in the dark with a scary mask. He was startled at first,, but not surprised when he realized it was me. After all it was revenge for an earlier prank he pulled on me. He was expecting me to retaliate, but I still managed to startle him because he wasn't expecting it at that time.
2. I don't mean to be insulting but you're clearly demonstrating a lack of common sense . Messi is a better footballer than Gerard Pique. That means Messi is better than in all aspects of football right? Messi is a better defender, he can tackle better and can win more aerial challenges than Pique am I right?
The fact that Minato escaped with FTG, after Kamui had been activated means FTG is faster and kamui isnt instant. Even a 10 year old can understand that logic. This shouldn't even be up for debate. If you want to continue with this nonsense argument, then better provide some solid reasons why Minato was able to escape kamui with slower S/T, after kamui had already been activated.

3. He's the fastest when he's using his full speed. Unless you want to argue Nagato also has god like reflexes.
"Whoever striks a split second earlier wins". Basically a mexican standoff. What determines who strikes first? That's right, reflexes.

 

[Bogard]

LOL, Minato has the best reflexes in this manga. Not even Raikage or Naruto could compete with him by feats. Just when you look what he did in latest chapter, you should already understand how insane his reflexes are. He is just too fast and reactiv that he left all the Hokage in the dust, same hokages that Sasuke couldn't even keep up with U_U

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these guys had absolutely no idea what just happened, funny cuz every body were focused on the TBB

that suggests either he just use the kunai for the s/t barrier from a distance or he apeared and disappeared so fast that no one noticed

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i know people will deny this if i say he FTGed himself + both hiruzen & tobirama simultaneously at 3 different locations
but u can't deny the fact that sakura had no idea where did they suddenly go(see yellow)
that means either he teleported tobirama, hiruzen & himself at 3 different locations simultaneously or he did it one by one so fast that normal eyes can't see what happened

another thing u need to know he absolutely knew what they have to do next - {

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} and he had 3 ftg marking (kunai) ready at convenient locations . (in the face of the haters who kept denying the simple logic that 'being a hokage one would know more than just ftg and rasengan)

when he appeared before naruto (

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) he already had done it all including the following -

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and what do you know he had that kunai placed so far away (just think about his wicked shunshin speed)

repeating again
before he appeared in front of naruto he did place 1 kunai at a far distance to teleport TBB
and 3 kunai's at 3 different locations surrounding Juubi
and he used S/T barrier all by himself to send the biggest TBB ever by either throwing a kunai at TBB or he just apeared before tbb and used S/T barrier, but he did so fast no one could see him

after the other hokages appeared he teleported 3 different people (including himself) at 3 different location either simultaneously or he did it one by one so fast that normal eye can't even see

other thing he can use something like formation of 4 son seal which only hokage's can do

Raikage dodged Amaterasu easily? Minato would basically laugh at it U_U

 

[Draphsin]

He can dodge it, but he has no counter

 

[FlemSmack]

You read manga from right to left. You can clearly see amaterasu has materialized, and the Raikage has yet to move.
In the next image, Raikage moves and amaterasu isnt on him.

Wrong. It shows that what Sasuke hit with his amaterasu was actually an after image and that the Raikage had already moved.

 

[TrollingSage]

LOL, Minato has the best reflexes in this manga. Not even Raikage or Naruto could compete with him by feats. Just when you look what he did in latest chapter, you should already understand how insane his reflexes are. He is just too fast and reactiv that he left all the Hokage in the dust, same hokages that Sasuke couldn't even keep up with U_U

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these guys had absolutely no idea what just happened, funny cuz every body were focused on the TBB

that suggests either he just use the kunai for the s/t barrier from a distance or he apeared and disappeared so fast that no one noticed

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i know people will deny this if i say he FTGed himself + both hiruzen & tobirama simultaneously at 3 different locations
but u can't deny the fact that sakura had no idea where did they suddenly go(see yellow)
that means either he teleported tobirama, hiruzen & himself at 3 different locations simultaneously or he did it one by one so fast that normal eyes can't see what happened

another thing u need to know he absolutely knew what they have to do next - {

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} and he had 3 ftg marking (kunai) ready at convenient locations . (in the face of the haters who kept denying the simple logic that 'being a hokage one would know more than just ftg and rasengan)

when he appeared before naruto (

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) he already had done it all including the following -

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and what do you know he had that kunai placed so far away (just think about his wicked shunshin speed)

repeating again
before he appeared in front of naruto he did place 1 kunai at a far distance to teleport TBB
and 3 kunai's at 3 different locations surrounding Juubi
and he used S/T barrier all by himself to send the biggest TBB ever by either throwing a kunai at TBB or he just apeared before tbb and used S/T barrier, but he did so fast no one could see him

after the other hokages appeared he teleported 3 different people (including himself) at 3 different location either simultaneously or he did it one by one so fast that normal eye can't even see

other thing he can use something like formation of 4 son seal which only hokage's can do

Raikage dodged Amaterasu easily? Minato would basically laugh at it U_U

No apparently even Obito couldnt evade it with kamui. And kamui is said to be better than FTG therefore its faster as well

 

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1- Now we are making even less sense than before. Obito was cautious and expected Itachi to keep Sasuke away from truth. He even saw Amaterasu coming. You can actually see the scans. This is another manga fact.

2 - Minato himself disagrees with you and so does Kakashi. Another manga fact. Obito's S/T is superior which means they provide the 'teleportation' aspect in a faster and better manner. Try to stay in context and stop twisting simple statements around. You are just wrong. The manga supports this on two occasions, once through Minato's clear use of the word 'exceed'.

3 - I don't think so pal. KCM Naruto is the fastest shinobi in the entire manga. He didn't react a second earlier, he simply made a move first; it's called strategy as he figured Obito's moves. Obito obviously was not aware that his S/T technique had been analyzed. It's simple strategy and a matter of common sense. Minato's words: "Whoever strikes a split second earlier wins." Now you are just grasping at straws.

1. Obito can not have known exactly what was coming from Itachi. He simply knew something would come. His defenses were put down, however, when Sasuke won the fight. You should re-read those chapters *_*

2. No... Just no. Minato commenting on Obito's S/T is simply stating the efficiency of it. It was proven not even 1 chapter later that Minato's was superior in every aspect. Minato reacted quicker in their showdown, and his speed was at least twice that of Obito's. He managed to to get above him before Obito realized he grasped air, not Minato's jacket. Minato's FTG is superior to Obito's S/T in Speed, yet not in efficiency, as stated before. Who would want to put seals everywhere when you can simply do it whenever.

3. Again, Minato saying that means, whoever reacts faster to their strategy, will win. Minato could have thrown the Kunai, and still been warped by Obito, had he not reacted that split second faster. You can see Obito still grasping for the jacket when Minato pulverizes him with the rasengan. It's Manga fact that Minato's reactions are greater than Obito's. You're grasping at toothpicks

 

[shelke]

@Trolling Sage

1- So what are you getting at with these weak rebuttals? He couldn't react; case closed. He expected something, which means he was prepared to counter anything. It's as if if someone goes to the battlefield and doesn't react to an attack, he isn't prepared because the list of his opponent's techniques isn't laid out before him? Give me a break. This doesn't even make a shred of sense.

2- You just proved yourself wrong with that example. It's exactly that; a matter of ****ing context. In both cases, S/T provides teleportation for the users. For Obito it's from point A in the existing dimension to Point B in his pocket dimension and back again to point A that completes his intangibility. For Minato, it's teleportation from Point A to B in the same dimension. When someone declares that Obito's S/T technique exceeds or is superior to Minato's, what would that mean? It would mean one S/T provides for better/faster/advanced telepotation from point A to B. How ****ing hard could this possibly be? Common sense be damned, your point is just a straw clutch now.

3 - That means reflexes? English isn't your first language is it? You have got to be kidding me. Hahaha

 

[TrollingSage]

@Trolling Sage

1- So what are you getting at with these weak rebuttals? He couldn't react; case closed. He expected something, which means he was prepared to counter anything. It's as if if someone goes to the battlefield and doesn't react to an attack, he isn't prepared because the list of his opponent's techniques isn't laid out before him? Give me a break. This doesn't even make a shred of sense.

2- You just proved yourself wrong with that example. It's exactly that; a matter of ****ing context. In both cases, S/T provides teleportation for the users. For Obito it's from point A in the existing dimension to Point B in his pocket dimension and back again to point A that completes his intangibility. For Minato, it's teleportation from Point A to B in the same dimension. When someone declares that Obito's S/T technique exceeds or is superior to Minato's, what would that mean? It would mean one S/T provides for better/faster/advanced telepotation from point A to B. How ****ing hard could this possibly be? Common sense be damned, your point is just a straw clutch now.

3 - That means reflexes? English isn't your first language is it? You have got to be kidding me. Hahaha

1. That's just it though. Obito wasn't in a battle field.He wasn't even expecting a fight. It's the same reason why you're more likely to land a punch on someone if you do unexpectedly than if you're actually facing him in a fight.

2. You should have read my first reply. Obito's is better because it's not restricted to seals. He can teleport to anywhere in the world as he wishes. FTG requires a seal at the destination. You're yet to provide something which can be miscontrued as a logical argument as to how one can escape an S/T with a slower S/t.

 

[Multiply]

LOL, Minato has the best reflexes in this manga. Not even Raikage or Naruto could compete with him by feats. Just when you look what he did in latest chapter, you should already understand how insane his reflexes are. He is just too fast and reactiv that he left all the Hokage in the dust, same hokages that Sasuke couldn't even keep up with U_U

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these guys had absolutely no idea what just happened, funny cuz every body were focused on the TBB

that suggests either he just use the kunai for the s/t barrier from a distance or he apeared and disappeared so fast that no one noticed

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i know people will deny this if i say he FTGed himself + both hiruzen & tobirama simultaneously at 3 different locations
but u can't deny the fact that sakura had no idea where did they suddenly go(see yellow)
that means either he teleported tobirama, hiruzen & himself at 3 different locations simultaneously or he did it one by one so fast that normal eyes can't see what happened

another thing u need to know he absolutely knew what they have to do next - {

You must be registered for see links

} and he had 3 ftg marking (kunai) ready at convenient locations . (in the face of the haters who kept denying the simple logic that 'being a hokage one would know more than just ftg and rasengan)

when he appeared before naruto (

You must be registered for see links

) he already had done it all including the following -

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and what do you know he had that kunai placed so far away (just think about his wicked shunshin speed)

repeating again
before he appeared in front of naruto he did place 1 kunai at a far distance to teleport TBB
and 3 kunai's at 3 different locations surrounding Juubi
and he used S/T barrier all by himself to send the biggest TBB ever by either throwing a kunai at TBB or he just apeared before tbb and used S/T barrier, but he did so fast no one could see him

after the other hokages appeared he teleported 3 different people (including himself) at 3 different location either simultaneously or he did it one by one so fast that normal eye can't even see

other thing he can use something like formation of 4 son seal which only hokage's can do

Raikage dodged Amaterasu easily? Minato would basically laugh at it U_U

Dammit Bogard . We can defend Minato's speed without youXD

 

[shelke]

@Tolling Sage If you are still hopelessly unaware at this point in the manga that Obito's Kamui is slower when he wraps himself or an object without touching it - forget intangibility - then this discussion is clearly pointless as this is like ... an old old story.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Nope he cant

 

[ninthgate]

Sasuke's vision was f*d up during the kage summit. He manifested the amaterasu in front of raikage; it didn't touch raikage, that's why he could avoid it. If sasuke's vision was fine it would've burned raikage to a crisp. There's no way you can 'dodge' something that manifests already stuck to you.

Minato might be able to FTG his body and detach from the flame, or FTG the flame itself away to a kunai.

 

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Sasuke's vision was f*d up during the kage summit. He manifested the amaterasu in front of raikage; it didn't touch raikage, that's why he could avoid it. If sasuke's vision was fine it would've burned raikage to a crisp. There's no way you can 'dodge' something that manifests already stuck to you.

Minato might be able to FTG his body and detach from the flame, or FTG the flame itself away to a kunai.

Then how did this happen?:

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If it manifests on something, it's physically impossible to dodge it. Appearing on something implies, the second it's spawned into existence, it's on that object. That's not what happens. Ameterasu is a projectile. The reason A could dodge it is because he reacted to the ameterasu flying at him. That's why on the scan, the panel at the bottom right shows Raikage standing there with the ameterasu near him. At that panel he notices it, hence why kishi made the panel. He then moves to the right, so as to dodge it. You can tell because you can seethe flicker ofhis body in the panel. Which is what kishi is pointing out. Sasuke wasn't aiming at that flicker because the ameterasu was there before he even moved! The ameterasu then proceeded to travel to the samurai behind him. That in itself should be enough to make any fool realize ameterasu moves.

Any further claims that Ameterasu isn't a projectile simply means you don't have the mental means to read and understand manga.

 

[shelke]

^ Mental means? Amaterasu is spawning and growing larger in size right there in the image. Perhaps you and others need a good pair of eyes, nothing else. Nothing in the manga refutes the original statement. It spawns and appears exactly on the point it's focused, which is shown through countless examples such as Danzo, Hachibi, Nagato, his summons etc. The only reason he hit Samuari is because it appeared on the Samurai instaned as Ae had moved out of Sasuke's line of side.

A projectile is something that is propelled through space from a certain point. The manga makes a states, and yet it's debatable because of your utterly poor perception? Ae dodged by pumping so much chakra into his cloak that it was touching 'Bijuu level' and he side stepped immediately when it just began spawning. All this happened at a lightening fast pace. Even a moron can tell. FYI, the manga's word is authentic and irrefutable. Run around it all you want to formulate your hilariously poor opinion. It wouldn't and doesn't change a thing.

 

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^ Mental means? Amaterasu is spawning and growing larger in size right there in the image. Perhaps you and others need a good pair of eyes, nothing else. Nothing in the manga refutes the original statement. It spawns and appears exactly on the point it's focused, which is shown through countless examples such as Danzo, Hachibi, Nagato, his summons etc. The only reason he hit Samuari is because it appeared on the Samurai instaned as Ae had moved out of Sasuke's line of side.

A projectile is something that is propelled through space from a certain point. The manga makes a states, and yet it's debatable because of your utterly poor perception? Ae dodged by pumping so much chakra into his cloak that it was touching 'Bijuu level' and he side stepped immediately when it just began spawning. All this happened at a lightening fast pace. Even a moron can tell. FYI, the manga's word is authentic and irrefutable. Run around it all you want to formulate your hilariously poor opinion. It wouldn't and doesn't change a thing.

Honestly, you're the one using opinion, and attempting to pass it off as manga fact? How can Sasuke aim his ameterasu at A, but he side steps it while it's spawning on him? Lets be logical here shelke. How can you even begin to justify your logic? Side stepping something that is physically on you and it appears behind you? Sasuke would have either tried to aim at the air, to justify your flawed logic that ameterasu is spawned, or he would have simply missed to justify manga fact. If it's spawning on him, why does kishi make note of the fact that he moves out of the way of it? He makes one panel where it's in front of him, then another where it's going past him as he moves out the way?

 

[xias]

Well of course he can, hes the yellow flash.

 

[ninthgate]

Then how did this happen?:

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If it manifests on something, it's physically impossible to dodge it. Appearing on something implies, the second it's spawned into existence, it's on that object. That's not what happens. Ameterasu is a projectile. The reason A could dodge it is because he reacted to the ameterasu flying at him. That's why on the scan, the panel at the bottom right shows Raikage standing there with the ameterasu near him. At that panel he notices it, hence why kishi made the panel. He then moves to the right, so as to dodge it. You can tell because you can seethe flicker ofhis body in the panel. Which is what kishi is pointing out. Sasuke wasn't aiming at that flicker because the ameterasu was there before he even moved! The ameterasu then proceeded to travel to the samurai behind him. That in itself should be enough to make any fool realize ameterasu moves.

Any further claims that Ameterasu isn't a projectile simply means you don't have the mental means to read and understand manga.

As I said, "He manifested the amaterasu in front of raikage". Sasuke had problems focussing before the fight, if you recall:

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Why would Kishi show that?

and regarding it being a projectile it actually ignites at the focal point of the sharingan user. "Amaterasu ignites what he's looking at!"

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Only after manifesting at the focal point, does it move until it sticks to something. It manifested in front of raikage, because sasuke was out of focus, then began to move. Raikage reacted only after he saw it (right in front of him), as it began to move (and eventually hitting the samurai).

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Here you can see that Itachi is chasing Sasuke with his eye, and the fire is manifesting at the focal point. It's not firing out of Itachi's eye as blobs of fire, or coming out of his eye as a stream.

The reason the blobs of fire flew around the surrounding trees is Itachi's eyesight was blurred for those kinds of distances, and the fire acted as a projectiles only after manifesting at Itachi's shorter focal point.

This is how amaterasu works.