By your logic he'll just stand there and let the user use it and get fried. With no intel at all he beat obito why won't he dodge an attack thats manafesting before him. I doubt he'll stand there like a deer in headlights
can minato dodge amaterasu
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With or without Intel, Minato can dodge it easily. Lets use some obvious logic here. Sasuke fired at A, A dodged. A is slower than Minato. Minato Dodged A's fastest punch. Minato > Ameterasu. This is one of the few cases in NV where A>B>C logic works. Even without Intel, Minato's reaction time is so high, it's irrelevant if he knows what it is or not. 
@Ryanel Obito has the fastest reflexes in the entire manga, as he is able to react and phase through every single attack. Yet, he couldn't do so with Amaterasu. If you somehow believe that Amaterasu spawns in a languid manner, then you are sorely mistaken. Danzo also saw it coming and was completely aware of it through intel/research and yet, he had to waste a whole eye with Izanagi, as he was actually killed.
As I said, IF he has intel, he easily teleports. If he doesn't? He is toast.
As I said, IF he has intel, he easily teleports. If he doesn't? He is toast.
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Minato has the fastest reflexes. It doesn't take much to activate your sharingan and send your body to another dimension. It takes physical power to actually move yourself out of the way of Ameterasu. Minato has the fastest reflexes, while Obito isn't even in the top 5. Obito is the fastest at getting to long distances, but in a short distance race Minato is faster.
Edit: Minato dodges Ameterasu even without intel, read my previous post.
^ FTG requires what? It's simple teleportation just like Obito's S/T technique. There is no difference between the two in terms of 'teleportation' and reaction. They are aligned by Kakashi in the manga when he declared Obito's to be more advanced. Obito HAS to react first to teleport, or do you believe he does it without any 'thinking' or 'reflex action'? Give me a break.
Obito was even keeping up with Naruto at base speed when he was in KCM. When Minato does something along these lines at base mode, then you can talk. What is there is your post? I have read it, and it doesn't expound anything.
Obito was even keeping up with Naruto at base speed when he was in KCM. When Minato does something along these lines at base mode, then you can talk. What is there is your post? I have read it, and it doesn't expound anything.
Minato's reaction speed is faster than Obito's. While their S/T techniques can be compared at the basics, they're not the same. Minato's base speed is said to be that of A's. We've seen that much in Minato saving his son from Obito during the invasion. Kakashi saying it's more advanced is simply stating it's more efficient. Why would you want to place seals all over the place when you can simply warp yourself into a new dimension. We've also seen reaction time in battle when they had their showdown at the invasion. They both realized whoever reacted first would win the battle. Minato clearly won. Again, before that when Obito attempted to warp him on the statues, but Minato simply teleported away. His reaction speed was greater than Obito's warp speed. Which is the same jutsu that he uses to warp himself. As clarified by Kakshi and Sakura
.^ So - you believe I am unaware that Obito uses a single S/T technique? Minato reacted to Obito who was a novice with Kamui at that point, yet advanced means something else entirely given the contextual reference to S/T implications, according to yours truly? You know what, it's pointless to argue with anyone who makes these claims.
My argument still stands and always will. If Obito couldn't react to Amaterasu at base speed, no one would.
My argument still stands and always will. If Obito couldn't react to Amaterasu at base speed, no one would.
TrollingSage
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First of all Obito wasn't even in combat mode. He wasn't expecting an attack. Secondly Minato has shown better reflexes than Obito, as proved by their fight.
Lastly Obito's S/T warping isnt instant, unlike Minato's FTG. Whenever he warps his whole body, there's a fading effect. Can't be bothered to find the scan right but when he was retreating after stalling Naruto and Kakashi during the Sasuke retrieval arc, you could see his whole body warped yet he head remained for a few microseconds, before it disappeared too.
The difference between a Novice and Expert at Kamui seems to simply be how to use it. Obito is the 'creator' so to speak, of his own reaction time. Say we gave Chouji his sharingan, are you implying that his reaction time would be on par with Minato's? Simply because it's a S/T doesn't mean their reaction times are the same. Obito was not a novice with his Kamui at the time of the invasion. In fact, that should be about the opposite. He had what, four years to train it(give or take)?
Also, it seems you implied Obito's reaction time at base speed is either greater or equal to everyone in NV. A dodged ameterasu, seemingly easy, and he didn't even seem to move anything besides his legs. Like we're arguing now, though it seems you gave up that argument, Minato's reaction time is faster than Obito's. Obito's nervous system shouldn't have changed much since the invasion, and that means his reaction time shouldn't have changed either(assuming real logic).
Minato base speed> Obito base speed = Manga fact.
P.S. It always seems I'm debating against you.
johnny335704
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Sasuke's Amaterasu is more precise than Itachi. A avoided it easily. Minato is faster or at-least equal to A in speed plus S/T jutsu the Minato can avoid it easily.
think everyone can agree that he can most definitely dodge it.
but, I don't think he can only dodge it, he might also be able to feel the pressure just like Nagato did even before is casted, since he's also a sensor type... and make it even easier to not get hit.
but this is just me only guessing/speculating, no guaranties he can actually feel it...
but, I don't think he can only dodge it, he might also be able to feel the pressure just like Nagato did even before is casted, since he's also a sensor type... and make it even easier to not get hit.
but this is just me only guessing/speculating, no guaranties he can actually feel it...
TrollingSage
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You read manga from right to left. You can clearly see amaterasu has materialized, and the Raikage has yet to move.
In the next image, Raikage moves and amaterasu isnt on him.
Really, when Obito himself states that he was cautious of Itachi? Combat mode or no combat mode, the fact that he makes a statement immediately after using Izanagi declares this speculation null and void. He was fully expecting Itachi to kill him before he revealed the truth to Sasuke.
No he hasn't. Not from any angle. Obito's FTG was superior than Minato's way back. In fact, Minato himself declared this for Obito's S/T:
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- which obviously cannot be used without reflex actions as he uses the same technique to teleport himself or his individual parts that come in contact with the attack and is an obvious proof right from the horse's mouth. In terms of S/T, there is no comparison. Also, if it was something automatic and not dependent on reflex action, then Amaterasu would have never made contact. It was because he was unable to react to it that hit hit him square in the frontal region of his shoulder blade. The only reason Minato even won was because he struck a second earlier, NOT because his speed was faster:
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and he escaped Twice with FTG, not his reflex action or base speed. According to Konan as well, when Obito uses Kamui to completely warp himself away instead of making himself tangible, this technique is slower in comparison. Here, Obito effortlessly reacted to Minato's attack -
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. The fact that Obito was keeping up with KCM Naruto at Base Speed and phase through every single attack proves his superiority in this manner. Heck, even BM Naruto was incapable of landing any hit on him together with two other Shinobi. By and By, it is a solid fact that Amaterasu cannot be evaded without intel as it spawns on the objected on which the eye is focused. A pumped 'Bijuu level' chakra into his cloak to step aside when it was spawning. That is how he evaded it. Without intel, Minato is toast.
