[Question] Can, Luffy Beat Doflamingo?

[Pervy Wrath]

It's my opinion and that's yours. You don't know for a fact if it's like that.

It's funny how you so easily push your opinions on other and call them fools, but once your opinions are questioned, you just say they're your opinions. But hey, you're entitled to one. Right, Princess?

 

[Hexuze]

I usually like your thinking, but I just don't see how you think Luffy needs more time to train to defeat Doflamingo.

I'm not saying that Luffy is at Doflamingo's level right now, but when has Luffy ever matched up against someone that is his equal? Luffy has always fought an uphill battle, and I believe the same goes with Doflamingo

If you look at it closely, it makes sense. Luffy has trained for two whole years. Yes, Doflamingo has been a pirate for a long time, but he might have reached his peak, or else he would still try to conquer or something. Luffy will defeat him, a huge milestone of sorts, then he will defeat a person that is 1st Mate material(SLIGHTLY higher than Doflamingo, think of Marco), which will put him at Admiral level. Then Luffy will have the battle of his life, where he will muster all of his strength, speed and will to defeat the first Yonko, aka Kaido.

Luffy obviously isn't just any pirate. Given that he's the main protagonist, we know what he's gonna do. But pushing that aside, he has always showed tremendous growth during fights, and I believe he's very capable of taking on Doflamingo. Like any other opponent, Doflamingo will probably underestimate him though, until Luffy shows his true strength.

That's just how I see it. I know we have different viewpoints, but I just thought I'd share mine and maybe you would see my reasoning

Well you've seen how Doflamingo handled Smoker in Punk-Hazard and he r@ped his ass. I don't really see a huge difference between Smoker and Luffy so I think the outcome may be the same but to a less gruesome extent. Yeah you're right Luffy will beat him but my take on this is that if they do fight I don't see Luffy beating him right away. It may take Luffy two-three tries (like in alabasta w/ crocodile). I really don't want Doflamingo to be taken out within his first fight, it will just degrade him as a character/villian and his title as a warlord. Yes don't worry, I understand what you're trying to say but don't you think it's a bit early for Luffy to be on an admiral level? Like that's a bit pushing it to me at least.

 

[Vampy]

Well you've seen how Doflamingo handled Smoker in Punk-Hazard and he r@ped his ass. I don't really see a huge difference between Smoker and Luffy so I think the outcome may be the same but to a less gruesome extent. Yeah you're right Luffy will beat him but my take on this is that if they do fight I don't see Luffy beating him right away. It may take Luffy two-three tries (like in alabasta w/ crocodile). I really don't want Doflamingo to be taken out within his first fight, it will just degrade him as a character/villian and his title as a warlord. Yes don't worry, I understand what you're trying to say but don't you think it's a bit early for Luffy to be on an admiral level? Like that's a bit pushing it to me at least.

Probably not best to say, Luffy is near, Smokers level due to the fact that, Smoker seeing, Luffy's movements as flashes when trying to look at him. Oda, gave us a clear look at how, Smoker saw, Luffy moving. Then at the same time, Luffy moved at some extreme speed that even, Smoker wasn't able to see and Franky asked to himself "Just how fast can he move?"

At the same time, Luffy has been holding back the entire TS. His true power cannot be measured. I have measured some of his strength level compared to the previous TS and it's amazing. And when I say strength I mean it literally, not his other abilities.

 

[Pervy Wrath]

Well you've seen how Doflamingo handled Smoker in Punk-Hazard and he r@ped his ass. I don't really see a huge difference between Smoker and Luffy so I think the outcome may be the same but to a less gruesome extent. Yeah you're right Luffy will beat him but my take on this is that if they do fight I don't see Luffy beating him right away. It may take Luffy two-three tries (like in alabasta w/ crocodile). I really don't want Doflamingo to be taken out within his first fight, it will just degrade him as a character/villian and his title as a warlord. Yes don't worry, I understand what you're trying to say but don't you think it's a bit early for Luffy to be on an admiral level? Like that's a bit pushing it to me at least.

Well, that's where we differ, I guess. I think Luffy has passed Smoker's level by now, and he has always been able to step up to the competition. Luffy will defeat him, that much is obvious. But yeah, I agree, it will take hiiiiigh diff for Luffy to defeat him. Reaching Doflamingo's level isn't easy, but I feel like that is suitable for where Luffy should be in the storyline atm. I don't think it will take several attempts like with Crocodile, but I think he will be close to worn out, like against Lucci.

 

[Vampy]

Well, that's where we differ, I guess. I think Luffy has passed Smoker's level by now, and he has always been able to step up to the competition. Luffy will defeat him, that much is obvious. But yeah, I agree, it will take hiiiiigh diff for Luffy to defeat him. Reaching Doflamingo's level isn't easy, but I feel like that is suitable for where Luffy should be in the storyline atm. I don't think it will take several attempts like with Crocodile, but I think he will be close to worn out, like against Lucci.

I doubt he's going to be worn out like he was with, Lucci.
That was more of a special case. Luffy, isn't going to go down that easily in his first major fight in the NW.
This is crucial to, Luffy's new hype. I'm sure he's going to get messed up really bad but I'm sure he'll be able to move decently after the fight is over.

 

[Vincent Pryce]

Luffy has been stronger than Smoker when he learned CoA Haki. We haven't seen how strong Luffy is post time skip. He hasn't gone all out, neither has Doflamingo (we don't even know what exactly his DF is). So, it's really hard to say, but I've got a feeling that Luffy will be able to beat him atm. Just a hunch, no proof or whatever. It would be lame to see Luffy going all out after years and then lose. It would fit the story better + he would definitely get a raise in bounty after two years. This is all assuming that both are going to fight this current arc, which I see hapenning

 

[Vampy]

Luffy has been stronger than Smoker when he learned CoA Haki. We haven't seen how strong Luffy post time skip. He hasn't gone all out, neither has Doflamingo (we don't even know what exactly his DF is). So, it's really hard to say, but I've got a feeling that Luffy will be able to beat him atm. Just a hunch, no proof or whatever. It would be lame to see Luffy going all out after years and then lose. It would fit the story better + he would definitely get a raise in bounty after two years. This is all assuming that both are going to fight this current arc, which I see hapenning

Exactly. And everyone seems to think that, Doflamingo is going to stay a bad ass forever.
Oda, didn't have, Luffy and his crew train for 2 entire years just to get beaten in his 1st major fight in the New World.
He has been a pirate just as long as his brother had and that's 3 years for the both of them. They can make the same amount of progress and Luffy said that he will surpass his brother during the war.

It's obvious that the time has come for that. It's going to be proved in his next major fight and that fight is with, Doflamingo. Oda, has been hinting at, Luffy's power throughout the current chapters. He has also hinted that he isn't going to show off, Luffy's power just yet.

You must wonder why. Because it's going to be shown at full force in his first major battle. Oh what a coincidence. That bad ass, Doflamingo is in his way messing with his friends. Luffy, won't stand for that! Doflamingo, is going to get smashed.

 

[Pervy Wrath]

I doubt he's going to be worn out like he was with, Lucci.
That was more of a special case. Luffy, isn't going to go down that easily in his first major fight in the NW.
This is crucial to, Luffy's new hype. I'm sure he's going to get messed up really bad but I'm sure he'll be able to move decently after the fight is over.

Hence why I said close to it. I think he's going to get worn out, but not to the point that he can't move around. But he'll still be extremely tested. This will be Luffy's first true fight in the NW, imo.

As to your point abot Smoker saying Luffy was so fast he couldn't see him, that was just in the anime.

 

[Vampy]

Hence why I said close to it. I think he's going to get worn out, but not to the point that he can't move around. But he'll still be extremely tested. This will be Luffy's first true fight in the NW, imo.

As to your point abot Smoker saying Luffy was so fast he couldn't see him, that was just in the anime.

Smoker, didn't say that. I said, Franky did. Smok Luer, assumed, Luffy was dead because he didn't see, Luffy dodge because, Luffy moved so fast he couldn't see.

Everyone watching thought that, Luffy was dead. They thought he blew into a bunch of pieces.
Instead, Luffy moved away with his higher speed due to desperation. He had no choice but to do so.

 

[Professor Finesser]

Exactly. And everyone seems to think that, Doflamingo is going to stay a bad ass forever.
Oda, didn't have, Luffy and his crew train for 2 entire years just to get beaten in his 1st major fight in the New World.
He has been a pirate just as long as his brother had and that's 3 years for the both of them. They can make the same amount of progress and Luffy said that he will surpass his brother during the war.

It's obvious that the time has come for that. It's going to be proved in his next major fight and that fight is with, Doflamingo. Oda, has been hinting at, Luffy's power throughout the current chapters. He has also hinted that he isn't going to show off, Luffy's power just yet.

You must wonder why. Because it's going to be shown at full force in his first major battle. Oh what a coincidence. That bad ass, Doflamingo is in his way messing with his friends. Luffy, won't stand for that! Doflamingo, is going to get smashed.

Id say law is pretty much as strong as luffy at the moment and he's scared of Doflamingo which isnt really encouraging

 

[Pervy Wrath]

Smoker, didn't say that. I said, Franky did. Smok Luer, assumed, Luffy was dead because he didn't see, Luffy dodge because, Luffy moved so fast he couldn't see.

Everyone watching thought that, Luffy was dead. They thought he blew into a bunch of pieces.
Instead, Luffy moved away with his higher speed due to desperation. He had no choice but to do so.

My bad, missed the Franky part. But I didn't understand anything of what you said except about the explosion.

 

[Vampy]

Id say law is pretty much as strong as luffy at the moment and he's scared of Doflamingo which isnt really encouraging

Doubt it. He didn't even have a bounty as big as, Luffy before the TS.
He fought equally with, Smoker. According to, Oda during the Thriller Bark arc,
the fight won't last long when they are that equal in strength.
Smoker, and Law's fight was very similar to that. Due to the fact that, Luffy can move faster than, Smoker can see it would mean that, Law would barely be able to notice it more than, Smoker.

At the same time, Luffy and Law have a normal state of power. Luffy, has his gear second which boosts all of his innate abilities at least by 2x.

The fact that, Law struggled with, Smoker in their fight it shows that, Doflamingo should be able to handle, Law just as fast as, Doflamingo handled, Smoker. Law, is not in a good situation in the current chapter.

 

[Professor Finesser]

Doubt it. He didn't even have a bounty as big as, Luffy before the TS.
He fought equally with, Smoker. According to, Oda during the Thriller Bark arc,
the fight won't last long when they are that equal in strength.
Smoker, and Law's fight was very similar to that. Due to the fact that, Luffy can move faster than, Smoker can see it would mean that, Law would barely be able to notice it more than, Smoker.

At the same time, Luffy and Law have a normal state of power. Luffy, has his gear second which boosts all of his innate abilities at least by 2x.

The fact that, Law struggled with, Smoker in their fight it shows that, Doflamingo should be able to handle, Law just as fast as, Doflamingo handled, Smoker. Law, is not in a good situation in the current chapter.

Are you really going by bounties? Also law had a bounty of $440,000,000 beli before it got frozen as he became shichibukai. And smoker is a logia type and a vice admiral I guarantee that luffy would have also had difficulty defeating him, not like the fight was really long or anything anyways so saying he struggled really isn't the proper term since he wasn't visibly harmed for the most part, the same scenario would've happened to luffy, and don't even start with the whole "logia types get fodderized by haki" bullshit.

Trafalgar Law is definetly a force to be reckoned with and it's obvious that Oda made him a rival of Luffy, and though gear second is powerful as hell, Laws devil fruit is also powerful as it can cover a whole battlefield with its range and fodderize several people in its radius.

 

[Vampy]

Are you really going by bounties? Also law had a bounty of $440,000,000 beli before it got frozen as he became shichibukai. And smoker is a logia type and a vice admiral I guarantee that luffy would have also had difficulty defeating him, not like the fight was really long or anything anyways so saying he struggled really isn't the proper term since he wasn't visibly harmed for the most part, the same scenario would've happened to luffy, and don't even start with the whole "logia types get fodderized by haki" bullshit.

Trafalgar Law is definetly a force to be reckoned with and it's obvious that Oda made him a rival of Luffy, and though gear second is powerful as hell, Laws devil fruit is also powerful as it can cover a whole battlefield with its range and fodderize several people in its radius.

Really, how many times do I have to explain things to everyone?
I just told you that, Luffy can move faster than, Smoker can see. How the hell would, Luffy have difficulty? There's a reason, Oda didn't have, Luffy fight, Smoker when he was provoked. He's concealing, Luffy's power.

Come to your senses or I'm done talking about this with you. You and that snow dog guy are making me not want to continue this.

 

[Professor Finesser]

Really, how many times do I have to explain things to everyone?
I just told you that, Luffy can move faster than, Smoker can see. How the hell would, Luffy have difficulty? There's a reason, Oda didn't have, Luffy fight, Smoker when he was provoked. He's concealing, Luffy's power.

Come to your senses or I'm done talking about this with you. You and that snow dog guy are making me not want to continue this.

I'm just saying Law is probably on equal standing with Luffy, that's how Oda designed it, just because law can't go gear second and get super speed doesn't mean that luffy automatically wins. First off Law hasn't been training with Haki as luffy has so going against a Logia type would of course be somewhat difficult for him, not like Law was even going all out on that fight. Also you need to learn how to write correctly, you put like 7 commas in a 3 sentence paragraphs yikes.

 

[Vampy]

I'm just saying Law is probably on equal standing with Luffy, that's how Oda designed it, just because law can't go gear second and get super speed doesn't mean that luffy automatically wins. First off Law hasn't been training with Haki as luffy has so going against a Logia type would of course be somewhat difficult for him, not like Law was even going all out on that fight. Also you need to learn how to write correctly, you put like 7 commas in a 3 sentence paragraphs yikes.

I just gave you info saying otherwise yet you continue this.

If, Law were even equal to, Luffy in strength it won't last long. I get that you probably favor his character but you need to be more professional with this and speak without playing favorites. It must not feel right to you or something?

Law, isn't the main character, Luffy is. I put the commas correctly. And if you don't like it then don't read the things I'm typing. I have already gotten in a state of uninterest speaking with you. Don't push it.

 

[Professor Finesser]

I just gave you info saying otherwise yet you continue this.

If, Law were even equal to, Luffy in strength it won't last long. I get that you probably favor his character but you need to be more professional with this and speak without playing favorites. It must not feel right to you or something?

Law, isn't the main character, Luffy is. I put the commas correctly. And if you don't like it then don't read the things I'm typing. I have already gotten in a state of uninterest speaking with you. Don't push it.

No Luffy is definitely my favorite character, Law is in my top 5 being number 4 behind Ace and Zoro and ahead of Jinbe.
Also who the hell are you to just belittle me like that? I don't care if you don't agree with what I say but you don't have to be a condescending ***** about it.

 

[Vampy]

No Luffy is definitely my favorite character, Law is in my top 5 being number 4 behind Ace and Zoro and ahead of Jinbe.
Also who the hell are you to just belittle me like that? I don't care if you don't agree with what I say but you don't have to be a condescending ***** about it.

I already made a post way at the top on the first page for everyone to read. I explained things decently yet everyone continues to push me to put out even more details. I thought that the first set of explanation I gave too you all would suffice but even this isn't enough.

Also, if you don't like feeling insignificant then do something to make yourself more significant.
You're not that great so don't get upset over such petty things. No one is trying to hurt your feelings. If you don't like the way I speak to you then go away. It's that simple. I'm only responding to you now to convince you but you seem like a loss cause. I'll help you by ignoring you in this thread.

 

[Professor Finesser]

I already made a post way at the top on the first page for everyone to read. I explained things decently yet everyone continues to push me to put out even more details. I thought that the first set of explanation I gave too you all would suffice but even this isn't enough.

Also, if you don't like feeling insignificant then do something to make yourself more significant.
You're not that great so don't get upset over such petty things. No one is trying to hurt your feelings. If you don't like the way I speak to you then go away. It's that simple. I'm only responding to you now to convince you but you seem like a loss cause. I'll help you by ignoring you in this thread.

My feelings aren't hurt it's just that you're a *****, and I couldn't give a single **** about what people say about me over the Internet, also trying to get us to compare the main character to a villain who's hardly shown us any feats. the fück are we supposed to do that? Anyways you can continue riding Luffy's **** idgaf either way.

 

[Anduril]

No that's not right, Luffy is in between Admiral and Vice Admiral level, also Admirals are stronger than most shichibukai, with the exception of Hawk Eyes and possibly Doflamingo, I cannot see luffy beating Kizaru, Akainu, or Aokiji. Not yet.

Oye Mr. Baka kun.... if you read it properly I have placed akainu above luffy and Aokiji is at the same level as luffy. If luffy was between Admiral and Vice-admiral he won't go around challenging yonkou like they were shit. 1 yonkou was enough to bring down an entire Marine HQ even with the shichibukai present. And you think luffy would be challenging them with a group of 10 (and risk loosing all of them again) if he was not strong..... Baka ka umaira??