Can Kakashi beat Kakuzu in a rematch 1 on 1 fight?
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does the level of stupidity diminish with these fanboys? kakashi himself admitted that only naruto, yes only naruto can surpass minato, so how can kakashi surpass him????? :flaw: :flaw: epic fail
And people wonder I think Kakashi is overrated, how can you not think he's overrated when you have fanboys who believe that kakashi is better than hiruzen, minato, tobirama and tsunade??? yeah he can beat tsunade but not that easily. yep most definitely kakashi is overrated
Naruto Boss
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kakashi was always stronger,he was able to take hidan and kakuzu with all his mask and preotect choji and ino without kamui.
if he use kamui on kakuzu's head or body ,he died whatever their mask bcuz he got only 1 brain.
there is no doubt that kakashi is stronger.
if he use kamui on kakuzu's head or body ,he died whatever their mask bcuz he got only 1 brain.
there is no doubt that kakashi is stronger.
Kakashi Fang
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I admit Kakashi is not on the league of Hashirama.
2nd Hokage is not good we've seen nothing from him to say that he is miles ahead of Kakashi.
Hiruzen is just super hyped up in the Manga, we've all seen him in battle and his jutsus are weak as shit, I bet Kakashi can do every jutsu we have seen Hiruzen use. Hiruzen is just an old fart dude he can't do shit.
Minato may or may not be able to beat Kakashi but I can tell you one thing it won't be easy. The only reason Minato would win would be due to Gamabuntas big ass.
Tsunade is good but Kakashi would kill her rather quickly.
I don't even know what a troll is on Forums I only know trolls in Harry potter and lord of the rings so there you go,Fail!
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Nice insult but your just not on my level you fat Naruto nerd!
First off Hiruzen did not fight Orochimaru and the 1st and 2nd Hokages at the same time, Orochimaru was playing with Hiruzen's old ass an teasing him about his weak ass jutsu, 1st and 2nd Hokages were not even serious with Hiruzen they were barely attacking him, Hiruzen was on the defensive the whole time getting battered and bruised. Orochimaru could have been killed Hiruzen but he wanted to have fun with him first because he always likes to have fun with weak opponents.
As far as Hiruzen's "Ultimate Prime" goes, you don't know anything of his prime so stop speculating that he was better then than he was at 70 because you have no idea what he was capable of in his "prime" , his prime is all hyped up you dumb noobs need to stop believing the hype and use common sense and facts and evidence not rumors and tall tales.
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Yes and you misinterpret what he meant by saying those words because you are a noob.
Kakashi was saying that only Naruto can surpass Minato in completing the rasengan that Minato created but did not complete. People on forums are so stupid! Naruto has surpassed Minato in furthering the rasengan to it's completed form but that's it.
Kakashi said Naruto was the only one capable of surpassing the fourth because Minato died and couldn't complete it, Jiraiya died unable to complete it, and Kakashi is unable to complete it, while Naruto is the only one to complete it so he Surpassed Minato in the Rasengan area.
Just because you further another persons invention does not make you the better person. Like I said before you simply misinterpreted those words because your dumb, Naruto only surpassed Minato in the innovation of the Rasengan, therefore he surpassed Minatos abilities in that area.
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1) Kakashi never uses Kamui at the start of the battle for obvious reasons
2) He has never successfully used Kamui on a full body
3) He wouldn't have time to use it
4) Fanboys grow up
2) He has never successfully used Kamui on a full body
3) He wouldn't have time to use it
4) Fanboys grow up
I honestly don't see Kamui as an automatic game ender.
It appears that the further a target is away from Kakashi, the longer it takes to initiate the dimensional warp. This is pretty apparrent when he uses Kamui immediately when Sasuke's arrow and the nail Pain through at him are right in front of his body. However, hitting the missle appeared to take a bit longer for Kakashi to zero in on.
Beyond that, the only targets Kakashi has ever hit were moving in a linear manner either away from him or towards him. I'm not saying he can't hit targets with unpredictale movements, but it would be much more difficult. Further, it takes great concentration for Kakashi to use Kamui. If Kakuzu can force him to repeatedly dodge then he won't have an easy time using it.
If Kakuzu can stay at a large distance away from Kakashi then I like his chances of avoiding Kamui by either taking evasive action while also using some of his masks to force Kakashi to stop the attack.
It appears that the further a target is away from Kakashi, the longer it takes to initiate the dimensional warp. This is pretty apparrent when he uses Kamui immediately when Sasuke's arrow and the nail Pain through at him are right in front of his body. However, hitting the missle appeared to take a bit longer for Kakashi to zero in on.
Beyond that, the only targets Kakashi has ever hit were moving in a linear manner either away from him or towards him. I'm not saying he can't hit targets with unpredictale movements, but it would be much more difficult. Further, it takes great concentration for Kakashi to use Kamui. If Kakuzu can force him to repeatedly dodge then he won't have an easy time using it.
If Kakuzu can stay at a large distance away from Kakashi then I like his chances of avoiding Kamui by either taking evasive action while also using some of his masks to force Kakashi to stop the attack.
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the last time we saw kakashi using kamui was against tobi and he was going to kamui him imediatelly untill tobi said that it's doesn't works on him.
funny how kakashi underaters and want restrict kamui to not use at beginning ...
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if he can kamui an arrow of susanoo of the size of 3 human body tehre is no reason that he can't,furthermore the head or any vital point is enough,andagainst deidara he needed preparation and was the first time he used it on a fight, the target was very high and far,flying and escaping and kakashi was still able to take 1 arm ,don't underestimate him.
he don't need time to activate it,he was able to kamui a susanoo arrow of the size of 3 human body in a fration of second.
I didn't mean to be a troll, or anything, so please dont take my trippin out on you personally. Sorry about that, ill try to continue this debate cleanly....
2nd Hokage is not good? He is the greatest suiton user in history, he invented Edo Tensei, i repeat, invented edo tensei, the most powerful jutsu in the entire shinobi universe. Do you know how hard it is to learn a forbidden jutsu, less alone Invent one? He revolutionized ninjutsu with the most powerful jutsu in history, so how is that weak. And you contradict yourself so hard that its not even funny. You yourself said that the 2nd hokage wasn't resurrected at full strength, so he is a lot stronger than we think. Plus he died fighting 22 kumogakure ninjas, i repeat 22 ninjas from the most powerful village in the 5 great nations. kakashi would struggle against 1 kumo ninja like darui, so how is kakashi>22 Daruis combined? He fought the Gold and Silver brothers when they ambushed him by surprise and lived while they were in their kyuubi form and armed with their legendary weapons from the sage himself? does that sound weak to you?
Hiruzen weak?? Are we reading the same manga here? I can give a page worth of information proving that he isn't weak so here:
"If being a ninja means being a great technical fighter then Hiruzen deserves to be given the title as the strongest or one of the strongest hokages ever. His teachers were the 1st and second hokage, his students were the legendary sannin, so he is without a doubt top tier and worthy of being hokage. He was given praise by nearly everyone:
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Iruka considered him to be the strongest hokage in his prime, and he's an academy instructor who's educated in the history of Konoha.
Orochimaru and Enma commented saying that Hiruzen was miserable compared to his prime, even though he held his composure against 2 kages and orochimaru. Yes they were zombies but their power is still kage level, and most Jonin would probably be fodderized simply against one of the edo kages, yet Hiruzen fought 2 and was considered miserable and pathetic!! And remember he fought the 2 kages while old, unprepared, and tired. Being old itself is a huge handicap when it restricts your chakra levels, your physical strength and speed at the same time to the level of a genin. Hiruzen had the chakra, strength and speed of a genin yet look how well he did against both kages! He doesn't have a gekkai genkai llike Onoki, nor is he a jinchuuriki but he's still a very great ninja even in his old, rusty state.
HIS NINJUTSU:: The third hokage has the greatest chakra control any ninja has ever showed. Despite having the chakra of a genin he utilized his chakra to use Shadow clone technique, a forbidden A rank technique that requires extreme chakra control, Dead Demon Consuming Seal, an S rank technique, Earth Release Shadow Clone, Earth Release: Double Suicide Decapitation Technique, shadow shuriken technique, an A Rank technique, earth style wall, which creates a great defensive wall, Earth Release: Earth Dragon Bullet, Earth Release: Earth Flow River, fire release: fire dragon bullets, fire release: fire dragon flame bullet, which is a B Rank fire technique, and the only B Rank fire techniques are the most powerful b rank techniques. (e.g. kakuzus fire technique is b rank yet look how powerful it is. people seem to underestimate B Rank tecniques only because a rank is higher. but not even most jounin utilize b rank techniques. examples of B Rank techniques are 10,000 snake formation, water release: water shock wave etc.). This arsenal is incredible for someone who has the chakra of a genin, which proves how excellent his chakra control is using such powerful techniques with only the minimum chakra required to execute each technique. He is also a master at collaboration techniques when he combined Earth Release: Earth Dragon Bullet and fire release: fire dragon bullets which creates streams of lava that would pulverize any ninja except orochimaru. He mastered every technique in the leaf village, probably even the hiden techniques, the 8 gates, and rasengan probably. That's quite an arsenal if you ask me. The third didnt use his full arsenal because he detected that the edo kages can't be killed with flashy jutsus which is why he decided to seal them as fast as possible, which implies his intelligence.
TAIJUTSU: The third has a 5/5 in taijutsu in the latest databook something not even kakashi and itachi accomplished. He went toe to toe with both hokages in a taijutsu duel and easily repelled them. He fought both kages in taijutsu with sluggish speed and battled orochimaru with the kusanagi blade several times and almost won had it not been for the interference of both kages.
Intelligence: the third was very intelligent in battle. he blew up both kages' legs and was able to detect both kages under genjutsu. he realized that the edo tensei kages can't be killed and right away shifted to trying to seal them.
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look at the part I underlined and try to contemplate this sledge hammer argument as much as you can and you'll understand why he's called the strongest kage of his era
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...i totally DISAGREE THAT KAKUZU CAN DEFEAT KAKASHI!!! kakashi was real fast in that mATCh.... the very fact he destroyed kakuzu's heart in a blink.... and u also forgor kakashi's speed of analysing enemy's ability and cating on it real Fast!!!
AND the very fact that kakashi was fighting both kakuzu and hidana nd protecting team shika the same time.....
PLUS THE VERY FACT THAT KAKASHI EITHER DODGED OR WAZ INVULNERABLE TO ALL KAKAUZU'S ATTACKS
HERE HE DODGED THE FUUTON ATTACKS THAT COULD CUT ONE INTO PIECES
HERE HE WITHSTOOD THE LIGHTNING ATTACK!!!
HERE KAKASHI BLOCKED HIS FIRE ATTACK
HANDS DOWN TO ALL THOSE WHO THINK THAT KAKUZU CAN BEAT KAKASHI OR IS MORE FASTER THAN HIM.... KAKASHI COULD EASIY HAVE USED KAMUI TO DEFEAT HIM.
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AND the very fact that kakashi was fighting both kakuzu and hidana nd protecting team shika the same time.....
PLUS THE VERY FACT THAT KAKASHI EITHER DODGED OR WAZ INVULNERABLE TO ALL KAKAUZU'S ATTACKS
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HERE HE DODGED THE FUUTON ATTACKS THAT COULD CUT ONE INTO PIECES
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HERE HE WITHSTOOD THE LIGHTNING ATTACK!!!
HERE KAKASHI BLOCKED HIS FIRE ATTACK
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HANDS DOWN TO ALL THOSE WHO THINK THAT KAKUZU CAN BEAT KAKASHI OR IS MORE FASTER THAN HIM.... KAKASHI COULD EASIY HAVE USED KAMUI TO DEFEAT HIM.
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Stop being bias and contradicting the manga, kishi and the rest of the naruto fans. Kakashi admitted that he will never surpass minato meaning HE WILL NEVER SURPASS MINATO. This is unambiguous so there is only one way to interpret it and that is that only naruto can surpass minato, SIMPLE AS THAT. We don't need to debate this when kishi and the manga are being contradicted by you with your whole "kakashi meant naruto will surpass minato in the completion of rasengan". Really? And ignoring that one statement, there are billions if not trillions of proofs from the manga proving minato>>>>>>kakashi
1. anko wished that minato was alive to fight orochimaru because only he can beat him
2. minato literally OWNED/CURBSTOPMED A and Bee combined, so if kakashi can surpass minato does that mean kakashi>A and Bee???
3. A admitted that the 4th hokage was the strongest person he's met and that he thinnks its impossible for anyone to surpass him, and he didn't say he thinks its impossible to surpass him in speed, but he said its impossible to surpass him at all, period.
4. Jiraiya praised him as being a rare genius that rarely appears in the world. He said that minato mastered everything jiraiya taught him perfectly and that was a gifted genius. kakashi in all his moment of praise was never praised the way minato was.
i can keep on going but you get the pooint
If you read the fight in the manga and you decide to assume that he's weak from that one fight, then I suggest you WATCH the fight in the anime which shows how strong he really is. watching the fight is a lot better than reading it and youll see most of his jutsus in the anime rather than the manga
1) He once actually planned to when he confronted Tobi, but he didn't because it has no effect on him.
2) EXACTLY what I was looking for.
3) Depends
4) they aren't really that bad and annoying unless they are the extreme fanboys