Can Itachi really defeat Minato ?

[TillIFoundOut]

Itachi sends an exploding clone to take out them shadow clones of minato, I mean, minato does'nt have any long range attack, so in order for hit to take out a itachi's clone, he needs to either tag him and land a kunai slash/rasengan or go for taijutsu, eitherway , when he tries that, the clone explodes, and minato's clone go 'puff' and itachi can summon crows and at the same time use dusk crow genjutsu making sure minato falls for it

Shuriken shadow clone jutsu Long range- itachi can counter it doing the same thing. Then Minato throws his kunais around and at itachi. Itachi reacts and most likely will set up a genjutsu and avoid the kunai thrown at him by either reflecting it with his kunai, Minato would teleport to that kana thats reflected with a rasengan headed at Itachi, at that point minato has to look at Itachi and Itachi puts him in a genjutsu, I don't know how it would work if Itachi's genjutsu just stops the rasengan headed at him or whatever but lets say Itachi stops the rasengan. High key, Itachi puts a shadow clone in the genjutsu, After seeing its a clone, Minato throws another sealed kunai at itachi, but that kunai hits and itachi explodes being an explosion clone or whatever. The real Itachi comes out and uses amateratsu and minato and at his ftg Kunais around the area, Minato places a seal on a tree trunk in the area and teleports to his safe house to prep his sage mode or whatever activate it and get more kunais then returns back in 10 seconds the time it takes for amateratsu to burn off the ftg seals, I assume amateratsu can do that. Minato returns in sage mode and puts out 1 other shadow clone, the shadow clone then goes to Itachi and Itachi does his clone explosion shit. Now they facing each other agian. Minato summons to the 2 frogs that can use genjutsu and has them with him. He puts out another clone a total of 3 clones used already which is a lot of chakra, and the clone shushing behind itachi medium range. They both sen kunais to Itachi and Itachi turns into crows and sends fire balls from the sky to Minato. The frogs use a water jutsu to neg that. and whatever happens after is some crazy shit, Itachi still has Susanno, the blade yata mirror, Izanagi, but not the genjutsu that puts you in a cycle because minato has no problems with his emotions. Minato still has large chakra reserves, gamabunta summoning ontop of Susaonno, Which can really happen because he did that to the nine tails and what is itachi's Susanno to the 9 tails. Minato has reaper contract to seal them both which he would not use. **** this battle if you read this you a real *****, if you don't smd

 

[Uchihakil]

Shadow clone use FTG to move out of the way, Itachi is not fast enough to dodge attack from Minato plus he wouldn't be able to react to him either. Plus he could make more then 1 clone. Shuriken clones to take out itachi clones and seals.

Is not fast enough to dodge an attack from minato? Young bee did and itachi > bee in speed, not just casually reacting to bee when he was fighting kcm naruto, but also getting behind him, and also fighting kcm naruto, yet itachi aint got the reaction speed to react to minato *smh*

Shuriken shadow clone jutsu Long range- itachi can counter it doing the same thing. Then Minato throws his kunais around and at itachi. Itachi reacts and most likely will set up a genjutsu and avoid the kunai thrown at him by either reflecting it with his kunai, Minato would teleport to that kana thats reflected with a rasengan headed at Itachi, at that point minato has to look at Itachi and Itachi puts him in a genjutsu, I don't know how it would work if Itachi's genjutsu just stops the rasengan headed at him or whatever but lets say Itachi stops the rasengan. High key, Itachi puts a shadow clone in the genjutsu, After seeing its a clone, Minato throws another sealed kunai at itachi, but that kunai hits and itachi explodes being an explosion clone or whatever. The real Itachi comes out and uses amateratsu and minato and at his ftg Kunais around the area, Minato places a seal on a tree trunk in the area and teleports to his safe house to prep his sage mode or whatever activate it and get more kunais then returns back in 10 seconds the time it takes for amateratsu to burn off the ftg seals, I assume amateratsu can do that. Minato returns in sage mode and puts out 1 other shadow clone, the shadow clone then goes to Itachi and Itachi does his clone explosion shit. Now they facing each other agian. Minato summons to the 2 frogs that can use genjutsu and has them with him. He puts out another clone a total of 3 clones used already which is a lot of chakra, and the clone shushing behind itachi medium range. They both sen kunais to Itachi and Itachi turns into crows and sends fire balls from the sky to Minato. The frogs use a water jutsu to neg that. and whatever happens after is some crazy shit, Itachi still has Susanno, the blade yata mirror, Izanagi, but not the genjutsu that puts you in a cycle because minato has no problems with his emotions. Minato still has large chakra reserves, gamabunta summoning ontop of Susaonno, Which can really happen because he did that to the nine tails and what is itachi's Susanno to the 9 tails. Minato has reaper contract to seal them both which he would not use. **** this battle if you read this you a real *****, if you don't smd

Did'nt read past 3 lines, cuz I can see that's how you want it to play out, so I'll just tell ya nice fanfic

 

[Mori Jin]

Is not fast enough to dodge an attack from minato? Young bee did and itachi > bee in speed, not just casually reacting to bee when he was fighting kcm naruto, but also getting behind him, and also fighting kcm naruto, yet itachi aint got the reaction speed to react to minato *smh*



Did'nt read past 3 lines, cuz I can see that's how you want it to play out, so I'll just tell ya nice fanfic

No he doesn't itachi don't have feats of reacting to people who move instantly. So no, plus bee was marked and that's it your done for. Minato could move around fight him and one of his clones would teleport to attack.

 

[Uchihakil]

No he doesn't itachi don't have feats of reacting to people who move instantly. So no, plus bee was marked and that's it your done for. Minato could move around fight him and one of his clones would teleport to attack.

Bee does, and bee < itachi (so do the math) and kcm naruto was compared to minato, and itachi fought on par

 

[shelke]

Teenage Bee makes a punk out of Minato twice, Itachi was reacting and moving faster than Hebi Sasuke in a sick state whose slower outing (MS version) was reacting faster than Bee (running Raiton through his body before being stabbed and rolling several times in air once healed against cloaked Bee). His Edo version was running circles around adult Bee.

But, since he doesn't have any feat against Teenage Bee, he's obviously slower than Minato. Logic, yo!

Well according to logic you used for genjutsu, it shows it can be broken when theres a disruption in chakra right? So why wouldn't it work for a summon? How else did Sasuke's summon break out the genjutsu?

He canceled it.

 

[Mori Jin]

Bee does, and bee < itachi (so do the math) and kcm naruto was compared to minato, and itachi fought on par

Once your marked it'll never dissappear and minato would use clones to attack once he's distracted during the fight. Plus Itachi knows nothing of the actual marking so he'll be surprised.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Teenage Bee makes a punk out of Minato twice, Itachi was reacting and moving faster than Hebi Sasuke in a sick state whose slower outing (MS version) was reacting faster than Bee (running Raiton through his body before being stabbed and rolling several times in air once healed against cloaked Bee). His Edo version was running circles around adult Bee.

But, since he doesn't have any feat against Teenage Bee, he's obviously slower than Minato. Logic, yo!



He canceled it.

Dude how did "teenage" bee make a punk out of minato? Minato wasn't even fighting bee, bee was literally on the sidelines when he countered both times, get into a fight and see how well you can react as opposed to watching two people fight and jumping in whenever your buddy is about to get knocked out. Tell me, which is easier to do?

This is literally like saying "well sakura obviously blitzed kaguya, she punked her bad, so obviously sakura>kaguya"

 

[Uchihakil]

Once your marked it'll never dissappear and minato would use clones to attack once he's distracted during the fight. Plus Itachi knows nothing of the actual marking so he'll be surprised.

And what makes you think itachi would let minato come close to him knowing full well of his hiraishin? How does minato counter crow summon + dusk crow genjutsu combo?

 

[shelke]

Dude how did "teenage" bee make a punk out of minato? Minato wasn't even fighting bee, bee was literally on the sidelines when he countered both times, get into a fight and see how well you can react as opposed to watching two people fight and jumping in whenever your buddy is about to get knocked out. Tell me.which is easier to do

He reacted to his FTG perfectly, twice, hence he was punked. The second time, he did intend to fight Bee and he easily stalemated him.

 

[Mori Jin]

And what makes you think itachi would let minato come close to him knowing full well of his hiraishin? How does minato counter crow summon + dusk crow genjutsu combo?

What's makes you thunk he'd be able to stop him from approaching? Clones

 

[InfiniteMugen]

He reacted to his FTG perfectly, twice, hence he was punked. The second time, he did intend to fight Bee and he easily stalemated him.

Again, tell me.which is easier? Reacting while watching, or reacting while fignting? Cause even when minato went after bee bee was just sitting there watching what was going down. It doesn't take a genius to figure out what's going on when your just watching

 

[Styles]

I am really tired of repeating myself all over this thread , so pls read the points that i've posted. If that doesn't answer it, then sorry man.



Well there's always summoning. Damn, i guess this can go on forever & ever lol. I'm kinda tired so i'm going off line. Regardless it was nice debating.

Haha Amaterasu those toads GG. But yea it can tbh but i think Itachi have the edge he's probably on par or stronger than sage mode Jiraiya.

@1st bold, i was referring to statement of Ay from madara's fight not sasuke's. And actually i reread the chapter and translation on NB states "flash of light" not yellow flash. Can you get better translation? Since this doesn't seem to be a comparison to minato at all. Although i do remember reading something about yellow flash too, may be another translation.
@bold 2 they had intel on sasuke, reread the chapter and you will see and if they had no intel than it makes it even better case for minato since Ay dodged amaterasu close range without intel then. Though they knew about amaterasu since they made a lot of comments on it regarding itachi as well. Ay was keeping his v2 up to counter MS not precog. v1 was enough to counter precog.

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This scans prove they had at least basic intel about MS since raikage shifted to v2 the moment he saw MS. So knew MS has some jutsus like amaterasu etc. And tsukuyomi and amaterasu seem identical in application jus like long range kamui.

now on to final bold. Yeah that's true that kurama said that but minato has reacted to a lot of sneak attacks against obito and even against Ay dodging him point blank, you can't imagine he did that without sensing with normal eyes when sharingan can't keep up with him. So he can keep that mode active. He was just focusing on battling black zetsu and it may also be coz zetsu can't be sensed so he might have thought of using sensing unnecessary. It's in no way a handicap to him.

@ 1st paragraph mind showing a scan? Don't really remember.

@ paragraph 2. Yes they had Intel on Sasuke but only the Intel konoha had on him no one saw him use Amaterasu or even MS for that matter. The reason they knew about Amaterasu was because of Itachi even Kakashi and Yamato knew of it. Sasuke was keeping up with V1 Raikage but he went V2 to counter MS agreed.

Paragraph 3. I also don't remember Minato evading sneak attacks from Obito since he was the only one getting rek'd(harsh reality for one of my faves) no denying he have good reaction senses but V2 Raikage have better from Cee's statement.

Could be true unless it's the same as Tobirama he's not always in his sensory mode and just like Minato have to switch over.

 

[Uchihakil]

Like minato is if tagging itachi without looking at him, at which point he gets rek'd, seeing itachi's crows means getting wrecked, also seeing his finger means getting rek'd, minato aint got no way around that

 

[shelke]

Again, tell me.which is easier? Reacting while watching, or reacting while fignting? Cause even when minato went after bee bee was just sitting there watching what was going down. It doesn't take a genius to figure out what's going on when your just watching

You do realize that FTG is instant, right? You also realize that Bee reacted after Minato appeared right above Ae, and still he couldn't hit Ae? So, what was he watching when Minato appeared instantly at a particular location?

No offense, but it seems like an excuse to me.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

You do realize that FTG is instant, right? You also realize that Bee reacted after Minato appeared right above Ae, and still he couldn't hit Ae? So, what was he watching when Minato appeared instantly at a particular location?

No offense, but it seems like an excuse to me.

Are we just gonna ignore the floating kunai that was above ay? Even if it was quick, Any nin of bees caliber could easily see it and at least figure something was gonna happen. I'll ask again, what's easier? Countering someone your fighting? Or watching your friend fight and then suckerpunching the dude hes.fighting right before he's about to hit him? Furthermore we ve seen minato react instantly after ftg(or shunshin I can't remember ATM) when he saved kid kakashi and countered the guy about to strike kakashi. We also saw him react and swing before obito was.able.to grab him,.and then he was able to ftg away before obito was able to kamui him, all that happened in pretty much one smooth fast motion but was slowed down for.us to better see it in the anime. And no offense taken I'm.in no way attempting to be offensive myself we just have diff views on it, nothing wrong with that imo. Does minato.beat itachi? Lol no, but to put "teen" above him based on that alone is a bit much

 

[Umari Senju]

Depends on how well Minato can defend against genjutsu really. We've never actually seen Minato fight a genjutsu user other than Obito who doesn't really use genjutsu much in his fights. everyone is assuming that, because he is Jiraiyah's pupil and Naruto's father (2 people weak in the genjutsu department) than that makes him weak to genjutsu as well.

Sakura was pretty adept at breaking genjutsu and she wasn't taught that feat by Kakashi or Tsunade. So why are we assuming that, by default Minato will just fall for genjutsu? Let's not also forget Minato is a sage too.

Couple that with the sensing abilities sage mode grants with his ability to know how a jutsu works after seeing it just once, he may be able to break his way out of, if not avoid, many of Itachi's genjutsu (barring Tsukuyomi of course)

Then there's:
FTG
Reaper Death Seal

This is one of those fights that could go either way. But no matter how you like to veiw it, It would be a high difficulty fight for either of them.

 

[UnknownJin]

As a Itachi fan myself, i don't see that happening. Here's why:

• Minato can't be put under genjutsu since he has ftg. The teleportation is just too quick for him to fall under it logically, hence why Tobi didn't bother using it during the death match.

• Secondly, Minato's reflexes are on point. During the fight, tobi attacked Minato on point blank range and as you can see in this gif, the only reason that Obito escaped Minato's attack was thanks to his space time technique:
  
  
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• Okay, now that i've cleared that out, i want to emphasize on two key techniques that Minato possess. One of them being a space time barrier. But i'm going to expound more about the use of Hiraishin in this. Theoretically, there are two possibilities where Minato could mark Itachi. The first could be during hand to hand combat and second could be planted by ground ambush, where the feet are exposed. Once it has been exposed to an opponent's skin, basically they are just puppets bind by strings.

• Once Itachi has been marked, Minato can simply toy with Itachi using ftg, until Itachi gets serious that is. You might say totsuka gg or whatevr, but this is where the teleportation barrier comes in place if an event like that were to happen. It will simply absorb the attack and minato could redirect it towards Itachi under the impression that he was marked by Minato. It will be in an blink of an eye. We've seen Minato under a similar situation, but with a far worse opponent - the Kyuubi. He has sent Bijuu Damas to further places and the Bijuu Dama is regarded as the most heaviest/densest attack on nv. Fact:
  
  
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  Tailed Beast Balls are incredibly dense, such that, when a version 2 Naruto Uzumaki consumes one, he starts sinking into the ground due to the increased weight.[7] Despite how heavy they are, they travel rapidly once fired, enough to hit a target several countries away in only a few moments.[8] Tailed Beast Balls are very destructive, creating explosions that are visible from far away and that vaporise almost everything in the blast area: aka Minato solos.
  

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• Considering the fact that Minato could do that and still have tons of strength left, the totsuka blade could be dealt with medium difficulty. I rest my case :bdpf:
  
  
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Cant be caught in genjutsu ? Itachi just needs a second...

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nice try brate hahahahahaha

 

[Oblivionx]

Haha Amaterasu those toads GG. But yea it can tbh but i think Itachi have the edge he's probably on par or stronger than sage mode Jiraiya.

@ 1st paragraph mind showing a scan? Don't really remember.

@ paragraph 2. Yes they had Intel on Sasuke but only the Intel konoha had on him no one saw him use Amaterasu or even MS for that matter. The reason they knew about Amaterasu was because of Itachi even Kakashi and Yamato knew of it. Sasuke was keeping up with V1 Raikage but he went V2 to counter MS agreed.

Paragraph 3. I also don't remember Minato evading sneak attacks from Obito since he was the only one getting rek'd(harsh reality for one of my faves) no denying he have good reaction senses but V2 Raikage have better from Cee's statement.

Could be true unless it's the same as Tobirama he's not always in his sensory mode and just like Minato have to switch over.

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well you can go back and read entire battle between obito and minato and you will see that minato reacted to sneak attack from obito from behind when he was teleporting bijudama away. So he can fight in sensing mode. And as for cee's statement, he didn't even compare minato and Ay. So if anything minato should be superior as from his battles against Ay as Ay considered him unsurpassable. Thus it's obvious Ay and company could never win against minato.

 

[yondaimeminato]

The only way minato could ever lose a fight is if his son or someone beloved to him is put under danger. He is too caring and too good of a person. Obito took advantage of this and used the village and minato's son and kushina as puppets to end minato's life.

Minato is willing to put his life on the line to save those he cares about. If he were to be put one on one against any enemy even kaguya would have problems defeating minato.

 

[Nidaime Suiton]

Itachi > Minato

Edo-Minato ( KCM ) > Itachi

I can't see how Alive Minato can rival with Itachi's susanoo.

But in KCM2 , so in Reanimation Form , he can.