Can I have salt with my Salad?

[Obito the supreme jin]

Is that why Sarada unlocked a Sharingan with no effort ?

And you implying here that the Sharingan actually requires effort. It just blooms when you are depressed or come through a traumatic episode or intense action as when Madara got his 1T.

OT: People seem to be jumping the gun here with Sara's based off a Mitsuki oneshot. If Kishi is never consistent with his logic what makes people believe that his assistant will follow the Sun and Moon Seal thing. Sarada's character will definitely not take a huge hit like Sakura's primarily because she is Uchiha and has a lot of potential. Let's wait 2 more weeks to confirm this shit

 

[wanderingcactus]

And you implying here that the Sharingan actually requires effort. It just blooms when you are depressed or come through a traumatic episode or intense action as when Madara got his 1T.

OT: People seem to be jumping the gun here with Sara's based off a Mitsuki oneshot. If Kishi is never consistent with his logic what makes people believe that his assistant will follow the Sun and Moon Seal thing. Sarada's character will definitely not take a huge hit like Sakura's primarily because she is Uchiha and has a lot of potential. Let's wait 2 more weeks to confirm this shit

They shouldnt follow the whole Sun/Moon thing if theyre going by the new gen.

We only wanted the new gen not because of the kids but to know where the old ones have been through and what they had accomplished.

If the new writer decides to go with the whole premise of fruit chakra, he should go back. Not forwards.

We want the backstory goddammit! I want Hagoromo and Hamura's childhood and how the Rabbit Goddess decided to turn her back on the world and become a demon.

 

[Avani]

Sure, but my original point was that I would have liked it if they had gone a new route with the continuation of the manga in the new generation and had a singular titular character. I feel like Mirai left a positive impact with fans and would have been a good way for the writers to explore new themes beyond this balance in Yin and Yang stuff. Plus, Mirai is a Sarutobi, so if Kishi wanted her to go the Hokage route, or if the new writer did, they'd have that option.

But I realize that the manga is written primarily for the purposes of marketing, so continuing the most popular cast members' generation plus adding in an obligatory mysterious character (who is admittedly intriguing, I underplayed how interesting Mitsuki is in comparison to what we've had in this entire series before) was always the way it was probably going to go. It's just unfortunate, is all.



Okay, I accept that my ideal world is fanfic. XD

That said, I don't think that a female character would be dude repellent or whatever. Female characters do super well in Japan in other forms of media, so why not in shounen? These writers need to stop being so formulaic and just go for it. Hell, characters the fanbase in the West doesn't like who didn't really get anywhere near the development of the male cast are still popular in the East.

They could have just renamed the manga Sarutobi. :yeah: Get some play off of the classic Journey to the West or whatever, if they need to stay traditional.

It's the genre classification - You can find better female characters in

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even though they too are still targeted at guys. If it's female lead it will probably get labelled Josei or shojo depending on the age group.

( frankly many shojo's females are worse than shonnen girls.)

 

[Claymantan]

It's the genre classification - You can find better female characters in

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even though they too are still targeted at guys. If it's female lead it will probably get labelled Josei or shojo depending on the age group.

( frankly many shojo's females are worse than shonnen girls.)

I understand the genre classifications, and I prefer seinen (Kurosagi Corpse Delivery Service is my main read right now). But there's no rule saying shounen has to have male leads; female leads have even done fine in things like WataMote and Soul Eater. I'm not saying you're doing this, but I feel like people in general make too many excuses for these writers - there's no need to rely on the old formulas just because it's a boy's manga. These writers should all get better at writing female characters, MCs or not; there's really no excuse anymore.

 

[wanderingcactus]

It's the genre classification - You can find better female characters in

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even though they too are still targeted at guys. If it's female lead it will probably get labelled Josei or shojo depending on the age group.

( frankly many shojo's females are worse than shonnen girls.)

If only anime can just drop those tags.. Stories are flexible. Or the least have them share the spotlight.

It really feels like I'm being robbed of of character development when they stick to the whole gender genre..

For example: Claymore... I've waited for that one boy to grow the F up but he just became more useless.. -_-

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

God I hope she doesnt become a bimbo...

Wait id rather take a bimbo than a fodder..

this is like dating a sorority all over again.

I certainly hope not, though the shippers are already predicting a love triangle:

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[Risuna23]

I certainly hope not, though the shippers are already predicting a love triangle:

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Oh Lord not this sh*t again

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[SenseiSama]

And you implying here that the Sharingan actually requires effort. It just blooms when you are depressed or come through a traumatic episode or intense action as when Madara got his 1T.

It actually does, Obito awakened it whilehe was fighting while Sasuke had to fight Haku to re-awaken it. The only person we've seen awaken it without effort is Madara and we all know how strong his chakra was.

 

[wanderingcactus]

I certainly hope not, though the shippers are already predicting a love triangle:

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no... if theres any kind of shipping, it should be those ninja tech watches.. Those things are amazing!

Finally with just an easy payment of 399 per month of 12 installments, Sakura can be somewhat of use.

 

[KingHashirama]

Exactly, I want her to go on her own path to becoming Hokage rather than compete with someone who doesn't want to be one.

Not only that, we've already seen what happens in Naruto when the female gets too close to the males in her team.

Tenten, Ino, Konan, Sakura. Tsunade might be the sole exception, but Kishi wwrote the manga in a way, you'd have a hard time convincing fanboys. Other than that, the manga is just a Male >> Female thing. This could be me judging this harsh from reading Kingdom (a manga with amazing female characters)..

Thats the primary reason why I wouldn't shove her with the 2 females, since its only gonna drag her character down.

 

[wanderingcactus]

It actually does, Obito awakened it whilehe was fighting while Sasuke had to fight Haku to re-awaken it. The only person we've seen awaken it without effort is Madara and we all know how strong his chakra was.

Well we never saw Madara actually awakening his. It just skips to the part where he already had it.

But basically Sharingan is there. everyone is born with one but it lies dormant. Basically think of an appliance and its plugged in. all they have to do is turn it on but in order to do so, they require a lot of chakra being focused on that one spot in their brain that governs the optical sensories.

So by theory, if one have godlike chakra control, they'd just have to focus all their chakra into that one spot and "awaken" it without ever going with the whole emo phase.

 

[SenseiSama]

Well we never saw Madara actually awakening his. It just skips to the part where he already had it.

But basically Sharingan is there. everyone is born with one but it lies dormant. Basically think of an appliance and its plugged in. all they have to do is turn it on but in order to do so, they require a lot of chakra being focused on that one spot in their brain that governs the optical sensories.

So by theory, if one have godlike chakra control, they'd just have to focus all their chakra into that one spot and "awaken" it without ever going with the whole emo phase.

Not everyone is born with it, manga already stated only a select group of Uchiha can awaken the dojutsu

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In addition, we saw Madara awaken it after severing his bond with Hashirama

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Him and Sasuke both awakened 1T Sharingan like Sarada. Is it a coincidence or a hint by the author ? Idk

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But what you gotta know is Uchiha have strong chakra genes because Indra had them, it means the chakra they pass down to their child will have comparable strength to theirs.

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So as a transmigrant with Hagoromo's chakra and Indra's chakra, Sasuke would pass down some very potent chakra to Sarada. Her bad eyesight could be the author's way of suggesting her chakra is as strong as MS users, which makes sense because her father has a dojutsu with more Yin than the standard Rinnegan.

 

[ROHAN]

You are wrong.

Yin is represented by the Crescent Moon which is a symbol of good as it seals evil (Juubi)

The full moon however is the symbol of evil as it is the sealing stone of the Juubi.

Mitsuki is represented by the full moon, not the crescent moon.

 

[Dannie]

At worst, he'd neglect her character. At best, she'd have a fair amount of screentime for a side character.

In the short amount she had for her introduction- Kishimoto did pretty well. I don't think you have anything to worry about with Asuma's kid.



No, he's pretty much changed it every interview when the question comes up.

I don't think he legitimately has a fave, he probably just mentions whichever character he's giving screen time to at that point in the series to please the fans. He probably likes all of them almost the same.

Agreed.

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[Aominecchi]

I still have hope
I mean yes Mitsuki is an interesting character and he is sure to have a connection to Boruto
But I think Sarada will become a good character on her own, I mean picture a badass medical ninja like Tsunade with huge destructive power with the Sharingan ! Or even better MS, that would be so cool !

 

[Avani]

I understand the genre classifications, and I prefer seinen (Kurosagi Corpse Delivery Service is my main read right now). But there's no rule saying shounen has to have male leads; female leads have even done fine in things like WataMote and Soul Eater. I'm not saying you're doing this, but I feel like people in general make too many excuses for these writers - there's no need to rely on the old formulas just because it's a boy's manga. These writers should all get better at writing female characters, MCs or not; there's really no excuse anymore.

1)Better written characters and having more importance in a series are two different demands- I agree they can have them better written and it's limitation of the writers themselves to an extent ( FMA Females are great but it's also written by a woman ). No, not all shonnen MC are male either but shonnen means for the male audience. So it depends on the script and it should appeal to enough of the male audience. Like:

Watamote is a "Slice of life" and comedy genre even though it's a shonnen.
Soul eater includes Ecchii, (heroine's weapon is her male partner- ??)

Both of them relatively short series published monthly- this kind of series are often better than weekly shonnes as writers have more time and I have read some good reviews for both, but the problem is that these series are still less known that WSJ serieses that are more focused on male MCs.

More importantly publishing houses/creators do not take risk either:

Here's the relevant excerpt (emphases added):

DINI: They're all for boys. "We do not want the girls," I mean, I've heard executives say this, you know, not [where I am] but at other places, saying like, "We do not want girls watching this show."

SMITH: WHY? That's 51% of the population.

DINI: They. Do. Not. Buy. Toys. The girls buy different toys. The girls may watch the show --

SMITH: So you can sell them T-shirts if they don't -- A: I disagree, I think girls buy toys as well, I mean not as many as ****ing boys do, but, B: sell them something else, man! Don't be lazy and be like, 'well I can't sell a girl a toy.' Sell 'em a T-shirt, man, sell them ****ing umbrella with the ****ing character on it, something like that. But if it's not a toy, there's something else you could sell 'em! Like, just because you can't figure out your job, don't kill chances of, like, something that's gonna reach an audi -- that's just so self-defeating, when people go, like... these are the same ****ers who go, like, "Oh, girls don't read comics, girls aren't into comics." It's all self-fulfilling prophecies. They just make it that way, by going like, "I can't sell 'em a toy, what's the point?"

DINI: That's the thing, you know I hate being Mr. Sour Grapes here, but I'll just lay it on the line: that's the thing that got us cancelled on Tower Prep, honest-to-God was, like, "We need boys, but we need girls right there, right one step behind the boys" -- this is the network talking -- "one step behind the boys, not as smart as the boys, not as interesting as the boys, but right there." And then we began writing stories that got into the two girls' back stories, and they were really interesting. And suddenly we had families and girls watching, and girls really became a big part of our audience, in sort of like they picked up that Harry Potter type of serialized way, which is what The Batman and [indistinct]'s really gonna kill. But, the Cartoon Network was saying, '****, no, we want the boys' action, it's boys' action, this goofy boy humor we've gotta get that in there. And we can't -- and I'd say, but look at the numbers, we've got parents watching, with the families, and then when you break it down -- "Yeah, but the -- so many -- we've got too many girls. We need more boys."

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That's cartoon network talking-problem was they figured more girls were watching the show than they liked. In the writer's note for Rurouni Kenshin, the mangka was worried his manga had more female fans than he was looking for.

And some of the toys they sell for these anime females cannot even be linked here..

Did you miss the recent uproar with a couple of Star Wars movies that have a female lead? So many people are claiming that feminists are pushing their agenda?

These are the problems that make WSJ take easier route - that's my guess anyway. I am posting in a hurry-- I hope my point is clear though. Sine newer manga and animes are changing the trends let's see if they can do it more with less fan service.

 

[Tyris]

If only anime can just drop those tags.. Stories are flexible. Or the least have them share the spotlight.

It really feels like I'm being robbed of of character development when they stick to the whole gender genre..

For example: Claymore... I've waited for that one boy to grow the F up but he just became more useless.. -_-

useless AF...

 

[SIR UZMAKIMADARA]

stay salty.Sarada would be as strong as Part 1 Kabuto at best.I am looking forward to Mitsuki.He is the new solo king after Naruto and Itachi.

 

[~Ethereal~]

Hyuga were also symbol of the moon, Itachi had Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu which are also symbols for the moon and the sun. Just because Mitsuki is the moon doesn't mean he'll be more important than the daughter of Kishi's favourite character.

Favourite to draw, lol. OP: Go buy some then.

 

[Darkboy85]

people are still clinging on the whole sarada mom issue? Dang...