none of these characters would faze dbz verse you f@ck tard, there are characters that defeated omnipotent being and there are characters in dbz that are even stronger than the characters that defeated omnipotent being.
Do you think that DBZ omnipotent characters hold the same standard as other fictional omnipotent standard.
Omnipotent in DBZ is far lower than Omnipotent from other fictional verse in the standard.
You can't give what DBZ omnipotent don't have or shown or else you will failed at reasoning.
The rules of crossover is feat that characters had shown and also other states they have.
I everytime when seeing you debate here, many time witnessing you using out of series assumption and equalizer, but you can't do that, there are certain thing that you can equalize in crossover fight like chakra or ki.
You can't give what DBZ characters that Akira created a fanfiction feat that they never shown like their true power level is beyond universe, they can lit the universe, cell can busted a solar system etc.
OK, for omnipotent argument. DBZ omnipotent is not omnipotent by standard, they just nigh omnipotent, we yet to see DB true god.
Nigh-Omnipotent have their won limit although a few, they can still died like some kai's killed by Buu, old Kai's dead when transfer his soul to Goku as example.
True omnipotent can't died from whatever mean. That mean your assumtion or thinking that this character is god, this characters have killed god, this characters is stronger than god is baseless
Yes they a still god but actually a Gods with letter 'S' at the back. Gods tend to be many even in our world believe, and there is hods that died especially in Greek mythology. But a believe that worship one god is Abrahamic Believe, Abrahamic believe have a god that cover the true concept of omnipotent not other believe like Hindu, Greek, Chinese, Shinto where's there is many Gods there.
And I think you know Rikudakune that many author of fictional story writing their story by following our real world believe. Same as dragon ball. where I think Akira taken his GODs characters believe direct from Shintoism. But Akira Toriyama as much as Shinto believe created his GODs characters with specific task, they are not all powerful like Abrahamic God in power context.
Look at Amaterasu(Sun goddess), Kagutsuchi, Izanami, Izanagi, this gods or goddess have their own role and purpose, they all are not all powerful god like Yahweh/Jehovah etc. It same for King Kai, south Kai, this is god of creation, bills is god of distraction. But like KoA he limited his view to said there is no characters that able to do both construction and destruction at once, but he is wrong and failed hard, He taking DB gods concept to be his point, but he failed to look at larger picture, What he believe and tried to limit a characters abilities can't be applied in crossover for other verse characters. There other verse characters created by their author that follow all power/abilities concept, that their God like characters can do both and they have that feats, that mean you can't throw them out or put off that feats for the sake of fairness in battle.
But you are wrong there is no fairness in battle, if DB gods don't having both feats/power that is power to destroy and power to create, that is DB gods disadvantages or weakness if they up against a god like characters that can do both like Galactus, Living tribunal.
In crossover battle, universe subject is also changing and become neutral, in DB you can have Goku power-up and shake the world and other dimension but rule of DB universe is different than many other fictional universe.
This is DB universe shape and physics:-
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This is universe that many of other fictional verse use:-
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The shapeless universe unlike DB universe.
And for crossover this universe will be used.
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That mean DB gods will be powerless here compared to other fictional Gods, it because the rule become neutral and not sided with DB rules or other Fictional verse rule, but the advantages here is for other fictional verse gods that using normal universe system not DB universe system. There are no outer dimensions construct like DBZ in neutral universe system. there is no King Kai planet, snake way, Hell realm or Heaven and so on.
And if King Kai or Bills is there, they must fight in neutral way but they still carried their own power, but like bills the god of destruction that able to destroyed a galaxies by hype is just comparable to Silver Surfer in power. That mean the being I list in my previous post is beyond bills power.
But when I think of you Rikudakune, much of your debate here and same with KoA is by using assumption of power level situation but not Manga feats that Akira created. But much of members that debate with you are using only manga/comic feats and not an assumption.
They are just using logic for most of the debate, like Omnipotent is unbeatable and it is true, what you are talking about beatable omnipotent is not an omnipotent being but nigh-omnipotent beings only. There is no true omnipotent being in DB. most of it is just Nigh-Omnipotent only.
