Can anubody please explain the requirements to unlock Perfect Susanoo?

Joseph Gomes

Sannin of the Scrolls ๐Ÿ“œ
Elite
Joined
Mar 11, 2014
Messages
5,623
Reaction score
367
I was really busy studying when Obito used magic (kamui) to get back to real world and give his chakra to Kakashi. Thats why I couldnt understand how Kakashi got his Perfect Susanoo

At first I thought you need EMS for PS. Then I hear that Kakashi could use susanoo because Obito had rikudo chakra. If thats the case how did Madara and Sasuke get their PS? How come MS Sasuke or Itachi couldn't use perfect susanoo?

Please dont use the databook for reference. My regards to everybody who will answer this question in details
 
Last edited:

-immortal-

Legendary Shinobi ๐Ÿธ
Supreme
Joined
Nov 7, 2012
Messages
38,233
Reaction score
3,030
I dont know and we will never know
 

LogicnoJutsu

Anbu Operative ๐ŸŽญ
Veteran
Joined
Apr 9, 2014
Messages
3,366
Reaction score
352
Anyone with a Mangekyo Sharingan can achieve PS

EMS just makes it so you cant be blind, so you are more likely to achieve the feat of PS since you don't have the risk of losing your sight.

If a regular MS user attempted it they'd be blind faster than you can say Dattebayo.
 

riley freeman

Anbu Operative ๐ŸŽญ
Veteran
Joined
Jun 11, 2013
Messages
4,982
Reaction score
305
MS and a lot of chakra, for permanent PS, you need EMS and a lot of chakra

edit: and also really good stamina
 

NukaCola

Sannin of the Scrolls ๐Ÿ“œ
Elite
Joined
Mar 12, 2014
Messages
6,161
Reaction score
522
Like all the sharingan techniques you need a lot of asshurt.
 

ANiMUS

Legendary Shinobi ๐Ÿธ
Supreme
Joined
May 1, 2013
Messages
25,124
Reaction score
1,644
Obito basically is just like Indra. Indra didn't have EMS, but because he had sharingan and Hagoromo's chakra Indra's Susano'o was a winged PS
 
Last edited:

Joseph Gomes

Sannin of the Scrolls ๐Ÿ“œ
Elite
Joined
Mar 11, 2014
Messages
5,623
Reaction score
367
Anyone with a Mangekyo Sharingan can achieve PS

EMS just makes it so you cant be blind, so you are more likely to achieve the feat of PS since you don't have the risk of losing your sight.

If a regular MS user attempted it they'd be blind faster than you can say Dattebayo.

Sasuke and Itachi couldnt use perfect susanoo when they had MS. Obito couldnt even unlock a regular susanoo while he was alive
 

Seventh Sama

Kage in the Making ๐Ÿ‘‘
Legendary
Joined
Nov 10, 2012
Messages
16,306
Reaction score
933
In kakashi's case. The rikudou chakra within him greatly "speed up" the susanoo process for him to unlock PS. The main requirement is to have MS to unlock susanoo and keep advancing the stages. EMS will finish the process by giving the user the final step, Perfect susanoo.
 

Yokaze Sama

Leaf Village Regular ๐Ÿƒ
Regular
Joined
Nov 23, 2014
Messages
806
Reaction score
68
Kakashi said that Hagoromos chakra was empowering his eyes.

OT: I don't have damn clue.
 

Joseph Gomes

Sannin of the Scrolls ๐Ÿ“œ
Elite
Joined
Mar 11, 2014
Messages
5,623
Reaction score
367
In kakashi's case. The rikudou chakra within him greatly "speed up" the susanoo process for him to unlock PS. The main requirement is to have MS to unlock susanoo and keep advancing the stages. EMS will finish the process by giving the user the final step, Perfect susanoo.

Good explanation. Any source to back up?
 

V h o

Kage in the Making ๐Ÿ‘‘
Legendary
Joined
Jan 27, 2013
Messages
16,796
Reaction score
815
Both eyes, and probably potent chakra to form or even generate the PS.
 

Holy God

Anbu Operative ๐ŸŽญ
Veteran
Joined
Aug 30, 2014
Messages
4,017
Reaction score
164
The Susano'o is a rarity. You need to unlock two Mangekyou abilities to be able to use it. In Japanese, mythological stories link Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, and Susano'o. Because Madara's two were unknown, it's impossible to know whether or not Susano'o require the two abilities formerly mentioned. Kakashi could have copied Sasuke's usage, or awakened the ability. Perfect Susano'o just requires rigorous training.
 

Seventh Sama

Kage in the Making ๐Ÿ‘‘
Legendary
Joined
Nov 10, 2012
Messages
16,306
Reaction score
933
Good explanation. Any source to back up?
Kakashi said his ocular powers were enhanced by six paths chakra also indra unlocked PS with a MS. Rikudou chakra is my guess on that too.
The requirements that I listed is from my observation of sasuke advancing his susanoo from ribcage to PS.
 

Zealous Sparks

Banned
Legendary
Joined
Mar 10, 2014
Messages
12,960
Reaction score
1,481
EMS enhances MS abilities.

Rikudou chakra enhanced Obito's MS abilities.
 

Joseph Gomes

Sannin of the Scrolls ๐Ÿ“œ
Elite
Joined
Mar 11, 2014
Messages
5,623
Reaction score
367
Both eyes, and probably potent chakra to form or even generate the PS.

EMS makes your chakra more potent?

The Susano'o is a rarity. You need to unlock two Mangekyou abilities to be able to use it. In Japanese, mythological stories link Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, and Susano'o. Because Madara's two were unknown, it's impossible to know whether or not Susano'o require the two abilities formerly mentioned. Kakashi could have copied Sasuke's usage, or awakened the ability. Perfect Susano'o just requires rigorous training.

Kakashi can now copy kekkei genkai abilities?
 

Ansatsuken

Legendary Shinobi ๐Ÿธ
Supreme
Joined
Jul 23, 2014
Messages
27,345
Reaction score
3,810
PS basically a MS technique, EMS is still MS but with the protection from blindess because over use of chakra to the eyes or strain to the eyes.

In indra case, we can assume that he is in special case as the first persons to wield the Sharigan that direct power born from Hago power.

but his descandents dont have that luxury to gain PS by MS alone, other than forbidden tech like Izanagi and Izanami, like I state above, using to much the eyes power can causing blindness

because of that Sasuke and Marara need a EMS to achive and stabelize PS, PS hold much power compared to not to refine susanoo.

In Sasuke case, I think Kishi want to drag him to use a PS in IT chapter, but He having shown the PS triait earlier when his Susanoo wrapped a Kyuubi.

In madara case, sure we knew already, it same as Sasuke cases

and both having EMS to avoided blindness, Itachi lost his other sharigan after activating the normal susanoo is the proof that power put some strain to his eye after using other MS abilities

in Kakashi case, Obito is not a living being but a Chakra and the rule of life is out for him, that mean kakashi not needed to fear blindness if that happen , and if that happen, his real eyes will not. But for me as Obito is spirit with chakra and not following real life rule, blindness will not occur and help with rikudou chakra it add in Kakashi chakra plus Obito own.

and he can test the susanoo to the limit by copying Sasuke PS if he really using copying method, if not that can be consider his form of PS

That my two cents
 
Last edited:

Joseph Gomes

Sannin of the Scrolls ๐Ÿ“œ
Elite
Joined
Mar 11, 2014
Messages
5,623
Reaction score
367
Kakashi said his ocular powers were enhanced by six paths chakra also indra unlocked PS with a MS. Rikudou chakra is my guess on that too.
The requirements that I listed is from my observation of sasuke advancing his susanoo from ribcage to PS.

How does EMS affect susanoo at all? Does it make your chakra more potent or something like that? If it does, How come rikudo chakra works similar to EMS in this aspect?
 
Top