Calc - Pain's Chibaku Tensei compared to JJ Madara's Chibaku Tensei

[NextGenNinja]

and then this guy moans he is not madara rules alt :lol

Now can we have the VIZ scan of what naruto said.Since that will put a nail to the coffin that this thread is

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Do i win?

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Do i win?

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Looks like OP reads manga from his ass then :lol

 

[Warlocks]

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can this guy read

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and then he goes on to claim



Edit: lel@1 neg point

i think he don't want to read it:lol:

 

[Edogawa]

Bold part = Completely missing the point. Anyway, please don't lie to yourself, what you did has nothing to do with mathematics. You don't have any numbers because you never performed any actual scaling, just like last time all you did was put a line over some mountain and assumed that some other mountain from another country has to be just as big (even though the scale from which both mountains are visible is completely different). I don't think it takes a genius to realize that a mountain visible across the planet's curvature has to be far bigger than an average mountain which would barely be visible, if at all from outer space.

And since you speak of mathematics, mind providing me with some actual mathematical value of how big the mountains are in miles or kms ? You can't ? Of course not, because as I said you never scaled the mountains so you have no idea how big they actually are unlike in the calcs I provided and where numerical values were presented proving them to be of completely different scales.

I'll repeat again: It's not my problem that you failed mathematics at school. The programme I used is Paint.NET and these are the calcs:

Each mountain is 67 x 59 in width and length.

Length of crater is 550.

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It doesn't matter if you don't believe the calcs, that's irrelevant. Numbers don't lie. I'll illustrate to you an example:

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The actual size will not change but the perspective will. It doesn't matter what monkey crap you spew, like planet's curvature. Madara's CT were shown to have the same width as the Shinju stump, which has equal width to a mountain. [

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Of course, and we are supposed to ignore what the manga wants us to know and assume that Kishi had Naruto make such a direct comparison for the lulz ? Again, please don't lie to yourself. Naruto is just a fictional character and anything he says is decided by the writer of the series who wants to present a point, this time the point being that Madara's Chibaku tensei is bigger than Nagato's hence why Kishi had Naruto make that comparison. Treating fictional characters as if they were real people is silly.

Kishimoto doesn't illustrate his point through a character, rather illustrates the character's point. You can treat the NV as a real world. Each character has his/her own point of view, which can be flawed. If according to you that the author wants to direct a point through a character, and readers must treat it as a fact, then every flawed hyperbole would be fact because the author (through the character) says so. Take English Literature, bro. Every character in Naruto states what he/she thinks, because the reader views the manga as if it's real world, thus criticism is open to discussion.

Here is what we have to invalidate Naruto's claim:

1). Naruto never saw the size of Nagato's CT, because he by the time Kurama disappeared, CT crumbled and exclamation mark shown - that alone invalidates the statement.

2). An individual CT from Madara were as wide as the Shinju stump, which is as wide as a mountain. Nagato's CT is shown to dwarf mountain-range.

What's been shown is different from what's been said. This is why referencing Naruto is invalid.

Indeed, all you need to do is scale them, which is precisely what these calcs did. unlike a certain someone who thinks that putting lines over things without measuring the size is valid "scaling".

Not my problem you failed to pass maths and English Literature. This isn't a discussion for you given that is the case. You should write your disagreements on something you're educated on.

 

[Alastor]

I'll repeat again: It's not my problem that you failed mathematics at school. The programme I used is Paint.NET and these are the calcs:

Each mountain is 67 x 59 in width and length.

Length of crater is 550.

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It doesn't matter if you don't believe the calcs, that's irrelevant. Numbers don't lie. I'll illustrate to you an example:

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I highlighted in black.

The actual size will not change but the perspective will. It doesn't matter what monkey crap you spew, like planet's curvature. Madara's CT were shown to have the same width as the Shinju stump, which has equal width to a mountain. [

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Wow, and here I thought I had made my point clear enough. Now I wonder whether you are genuinely an idiot or whether you are just upset and that hinders both your reading comprehension and basic understanding skills. Well, in any case, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and explain myself in even simpler words : I couldn't care less about which program you use or how many pixels wide you think these mountains are, what I am asking is how the big mountains are using the standard real world measuring units. Otherwise said, can you answer how how big is a pixel in miles ? 0.00001 ? 1 mile ? 2 miles ? 300 miles ? 9000001 miles ? How big is it ?

So long as you are unable to answer this very simple question your posts, argument and reasoning are all equally worthless because they do not provide an objectively valid question to the issue. And in case you haven't realized by now you will never be able to answer this question without first using something we know the size of and them pixel scaling everything accordingly, like the calcs I displayed did, and which is what you idiotically refuse to do. The whole procedure you executed with those scaling, in nothing more than 1 out of the several steps required for pixel scaling, I'm honestly baffled you don't even realize how incomplete your work is.

And, by the way, I find it absolutely hilarious that you are throwing a fit about someone hating math and that numbers do not lie when you are the one illogically and egoistically ignoring the step by step provided calcs that actually give a concrete metric number in regards to how big both Madara's and Nagato's Chibaku tensei are. If you are going to act idiotic, at least don't be a hypocrite as well, that just kill any interest any person would have in arguing with you.

Kishimoto doesn't illustrate his point through a character, rather illustrates the character's point. You can treat the NV as a real world. Each character has his/her own point of view, which can be flawed. If according to you that the author wants to direct a point through a character, and readers must treat it as a fact, then every flawed hyperbole would be fact because the author (through the character) says so. Take English Literature, bro. Every character in Naruto states what he/she thinks, because the reader views the manga as if it's real world, thus criticism is open to discussion.



Here is what we have to invalidate Naruto's claim:

Fascinating, ignoring that fact that a japanese manga has nothing to do with english literature and the fact that you are unable to make the difference between a quote/character statement and a figure of speech. Since you claim that Kishi does not use characters speeches as a way to dump in his info expositions would you mind answering for me the following questions :

1) Back when it was first used how did Kakashi originally know that his Kamui power sends things to other dimensions ? He obviously didn't go to the other dimension and back so how could he possibly tell that his Kamui was sending things to another dimension ?

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2) How did Nagato and Konan know that Nagato could use Rinne tensei and what the jutsu would do? How did Guy know that he could open the 8th gate and use Evening Elephant and Night Guy ? We know for a fact that these jutsu kill the user so how did they know that they could actually perform it ?

3) How does Kakashi know how big a Moon is ? or how big exactly the 6 paths Chibaku tensei was since he explicitly stated that is was as big as the moon ? Did he actually measure it with a Ninja Paint.NET ?

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4) Back when Madara was fighting Guy, how exactly did he know that he was "bending space" ? Is Madara a hyperspace scientist now or something ?

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And these are just examples of the top of my head where characters speech was used as an excuse for Kishi to dump his explanations even though the characters should not have had any logical way of knowing what they did. Yet, in each and every single one of these cases, the characters were right as Kishimoto later confirmed with the Databooks. There is literally not a single manga in existence where character statements are not used as a mean for exposition, you trying to argue against the notion is completely absurd.

1). Naruto never saw the size of Nagato's CT, because he by the time Kurama disappeared, CT crumbled and exclamation mark shown - that alone invalidates the statement.

2). An individual CT from Madara were as wide as the Shinju stump, which is as wide as a mountain. Nagato's CT is shown to dwarf mountain-range.

What's been shown is different from what's been said. This is why referencing Naruto is invalid.

These are hilariously wrong because.

1) The Chibaku tensei only crumbled once Nagato reached his limit, Naruto had more than ample time to have a stare down with Pain before that occurred invalidating your assumption that he couldn't have had the time to see it.

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In addition to this, Naruto had an entire battle against Pain around and inside the crater of the Chibaku tensei, the same Naruto who specifically went out of his way to state that Madara's version is bigger so why would he be lying ? Knowing this, claiming that he wouldn't know how big it actually is is idiotic.

2) I already posted multiple scanes in your other, equally as illogical, thread where I demonstrated that the size of mountains in Naruto varies considerably and that all the mountains around the initial crater of the Juubi fight where so small that the Shinju completely dwarfed them, in such a way that they where no longer even visible when zooming out.

You see these mountains and forests under the roots of the Shinju in this close up ?

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Now, do you see any mountains or forests at the base of the shinju in any zoom out ? No you don't, the only mountains we see are the ones around it and that's because the mountains at its base are so small in comparison that they cannot even be seen across the planet's curvature.

Yet here you are claiming that the mountains around the Shinju which are big enough to be visible are the same size as some other random mountains for no valid reason whatsoever.

Not my problem you failed to pass maths and English Literature. This isn't a discussion for you given that is the case. You should write your disagreements on something you're educated on.

No, but your problem is that you are so full of it that you tend to project your own flaws on other people. Exactly as you are doing here where you accuse me of failing English and maths when you are the one who cannot comprehend the difference between pixels and metrics.

 

[Edogawa]

Wow, and here I thought I had made my point clear enough. Now I wonder whether you are genuinely an idiot or whether you are just upset and that hinders both your reading comprehension and basic understanding skills. Well, in any case, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and explain myself in even simpler words : I couldn't care less about which program you use or how many pixels wide you think these mountains are, what I am asking is how the big mountains are using the standard real world measuring units. Otherwise said, can you answer how how big is a pixel in miles ? 0.00001 ? 1 mile ? 2 miles ? 300 miles ? 9000001 miles ? How big is it ?

So long as you are unable to answer this very simple question your posts, argument and reasoning are all equally worthless because they do not provide an objectively valid question to the issue. And in case you haven't realized by now you will never be able to answer this question without first using something we know the size of and them pixel scaling everything accordingly, like the calcs I displayed did, and which is what you idiotically refuse to do. The whole procedure you executed with those scaling, in nothing more than 1 out of the several steps required for pixel scaling, I'm honestly baffled you don't even realize how incomplete your work is.

And, by the way, I find it absolutely hilarious that you are throwing a fit about someone hating math and that numbers do not lie when you are the one illogically and egoistically ignoring the step by step provided calcs that actually give a concrete metric number in regards to how big both Madara's and Nagato's Chibaku tensei are. If you are going to act idiotic, at least don't be a hypocrite as well, that just kill any interest any person would have in arguing with you.

And here I actually thought the discussion is getting more interesting with all the wall of text, but my opponent surprisingly doesn't know the correct word for measurement of unit. The hell does miles have anything to do with measuring the size of an object? Those are for distances, not size measurement. You're a surprisingly genuine retard, or probably born that way.

This is the last time I'm repeating myself, 4th grade boy. The black highlighted numbers I posted in the picture for the calc displays the numbers. Since you weren't taught basic computing art programme, I'll help you a little.

Left side is the width and length measurement when you start drawing a goddamn thing, which in my picture is 71 x 59. This is the pixel for the specific drawn.

Right side is a manual measurement unit, either in pixel or inch or cm. It doesn't matter what unit you choose. The size will be the same, regardless.

The size won't change, regardless of how close or further the object; what changes is perspective.

The mountains in Nagato's CT image and Madara's CT image are equal in size; if you get the pixel for either of them, you can paste that measurement and would still get the same thing, regardless of how close or further the perspective is. Numbers don't lie; perspective do, however.

Fascinating, ignoring that fact that a japanese manga has nothing to do with english literature and the fact that you are unable to make the difference between a quote/character statement and a figure of speech. Since you claim that Kishi does not use characters speeches as a way to dump in his info expositions would you mind answering for me the following questions :

For the love of God...

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The manga is translated in English so I called it English literature. You want me to call it Japanese literature? Fine then...:lol The point doesn't change, that character words do not reflect on author's intentions, unless it is a portrayal. The author treats characters as real life characters, with variety of personality and flaws. What a character says /=/ what author intends. Learn to live with that. Your examples are irrelevant.

1) The Chibaku tensei only crumbled once Nagato reached his limit, Naruto had more than ample time to have a stare down with Pain before that occurred invalidating your assumption that he couldn't have had the time to see it.

Because apparently standing on the surface of a mountain-range object means you can accurately determine its full size?

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Naruto would be able to see this much:

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If he knew about CT...

1). Exclamation mark wouldn't be shown.
2). He wouldn't question Katsuya on what happened.

I already posted multiple scanes in your other, equally as illogical, thread where I demonstrated that the size of mountains in Naruto varies considerably and that all the mountains around the initial crater of the Juubi fight where so small that the Shinju completely dwarfed them, in such a way that they where no longer even visible when zooming out.

Your jackass that can't differentiate between measurement of unit can't demonstrate counter-argument. You probably demonstrated those mountains using miles as your unit of measurement. :lol The mountains surrounding the Shinju are shown to be as wide, and the author illustrates this with multiple panels.

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It's not problem that the author didn't illustrate what you wanted to happen. I'm arguing what's been shown.

No, but your problem is that you are so full of it that you tend to project your own flaws on other people. Exactly as you are doing here where you accuse me of failing English and maths when you are the one who cannot comprehend the difference between pixels and metrics.

Ironic feedback from a shitbrain who thinks miles are size measurement. How can a human be this buffoon is possible? This is my last reply. Your retardation entertained me, I'll give you that. Go take 1st grade mathematics, literature and IQ test you imbecile. You're about 95% close to be put in my ignore list.

 

[Holy God]

And here I actually thought the discussion is getting more interesting with all the wall of text, but my opponent surprisingly doesn't know the correct word for measurement of unit. The hell does miles have anything to do with measuring the size of an object? Those are for distances, not size measurement. You're a surprisingly genuine retard, or probably born that way.

If you don't measure the size of an object by its "distance" in multiple dimensions, how do you do it?

 

[Alastor]

And here I actually thought the discussion is getting more interesting with all the wall of text, but my opponent surprisingly doesn't know the correct word for measurement of unit. The hell does miles have anything to do with measuring the size of an object? Those are for distances, not size measurement. You're a surprisingly genuine retard, or probably born that way.

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I'm sorry, but this is sig worthy. No hard feelings.

This is the last time I'm repeating myself, 4th grade boy. The black highlighted numbers I posted in the picture for the calc displays the numbers. Since you weren't taught basic computing art programme, I'll help you a little.

I don't need you to repeat yourself, keyboard warrior. What I'm asking of you is to answer the very simple question I asked in my previous post : How big is the mountain ? Since you don't want to use Miles then feel free to use Kms or whichever other unit you feel comfortable with. Just keep in mind that Pixels aren't a valid unit of measure, not unless you can provide a valid way to convert them into meters or any other actual unit. You know, like the calcs I posted did ?

Left side is the width and length measurement when you start drawing a goddamn thing, which in my picture is 71 x 59. This is the pixel for the specific drawn.

Right side is a manual measurement unit, either in pixel or inch or cm. It doesn't matter what unit you choose. The size will be the same, regardless.

The size won't change, regardless of how close or further the object; what changes is perspective.

You know, I already gave you the benefit of the doubt once there is little reason for me to do it again. Now I can assuredly say that you are a complete moron, and it wouldn't be an insult, but a simple fact.

Exactly what part of "unless you can convert pixels into a valid measuring unite then you argument is worthless" is so hard to understand ? Pixels mean nothing by themselves. A 1220x500 picture of a small hill would have more pixels than a 500x500 picture of Mt.Everest, do you genuinely believe that means that said hill is larger than mount.Everest ? Because that would be a whole new kind of stupid. Why do you think that pixel scalers use step by step scaling each time they try to determine something ? Look at the first calc I provided, that was a correct use of pixel scaling : First he scaled a character we know the hight of, then he scaled the width of the tree compared to the hight of this character in the same panel, then the hight of the tree compared to its width in the same panel, then went on to scale the hight of the mountain compared to the hight of the tree, that is WHY he can say that the mountain is X or Y kms high, not because he randomly put some line which turned out to be 500 pixels so the mountain is 500 pixels, like what you did. SMH

The mountains in Nagato's CT image and Madara's CT image are equal in size; if you get the pixel for either of them, you can paste that measurement and would still get the same thing, regardless of how close or further the perspective is. Numbers don't lie; perspective do, however.

Why ? Where is your evidence ? What part of your "scaling" proves this point ? At what point did you compare the size of the two mountains ?.... WHAT IS the size of both mountains ? You don't know, you never answered any of these questions, you just made a worthless assumptions then went on to base an equally worthless reasoning on it. What you did means absolutely nothing when compared to the effort put by the people who actually scaled everything in the surroundings to determine the size of the mountains near Nagato's CT and scaled everything in the surroundings to determine the size of Madara's CT. These people provided step by step explanations and details, actual valid evidence proving the mountains and CT to be of completely different sizes which concord with the manga claims, yet you expect us to ignore all that and just assume the mountains are the same size because you say so ? Please stop embarrassing yourself.

The manga is translated in English so I called it English literature. You want me to call it Japanese literature? Fine then... The point doesn't change, that character words do not reflect on author's intentions, unless it is a portrayal. The author treats characters as real life characters, with variety of personality and flaws. What a character says /=/ what author intends. Learn to live with that. Your examples are irrelevant.

It is clear that you have no idea whatsoever what "English literature" actually means, but I'll let that slide since you probably aren't a language student and this is going boringly off-topic with you running in circles to cover your mistakes. So why exactly did you not answer any of the questions I posted then ? Is it because you know that you are wrong but are just too embarrassed to admit it ? Probably so, but given how ignorant your behavior has been so far I wouldn't put it past you not to know what exposition is. Please educate yourself :

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Because apparently standing on the surface of a mountain-range object means you can accurately determine its full size? Naruto would be able to see this much:

So basically, what you are saying is that exposition means nothing, the manga is wrong, Naruto is a liar and Kishi made him say that for no valid reason whatsoever ? Ok sure why not. You can keep telling yourself that if it helps you sleep better but in the meantime any person with a minimum amount of common sense would laugh this ignorance off...

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If he knew about CT...

1). Exclamation mark wouldn't be shown.
2). He wouldn't question Katsuya on what happened.

Oh, so Naruto doesn't even know about Chibaku tensei then ? Well, ok sure I believe you. He lied once so I'm sure he was lying here as well. What a shameless little liar he is, trying to get everyone killed.

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Your jackass that can't differentiate between measurement of unit can't demonstrate counter-argument. You probably demonstrated those mountains using miles as your unit of measurement. The mountains surrounding the Shinju are shown to be as wide, and the author illustrates this with multiple panels.

Between your disparate attempt at using an ad hominem fallacy and the fact that you do not even know what the unit of measurements really are. You have no idea how badly you are embarrassing yourself right now. No, really, no idea at all. It is in situations likes these that I realize how true the saying "ignorance is a bliss" actually is.

Also, as usual, none of the scans you showed change anything to my previous point. There is 0 reason to assume that the mountains around the Shinju are the same size as the mountains around the CT when it was explicitly shown that there are mountains at the base of the Shinju which are no longer visible when zooming out due to the size difference.

Ironic feedback from a shitbrain who thinks miles are size measurement. How can a human be this buffoon is possible? This is my last reply. Your retardation entertained me, I'll give you that. Go take 1st grade mathematics, literature and IQ test you imbecile. You're about 95% close to be put in my ignore list.

Quite frankly, I don't even feel offended by any your attempts at insulting me. Not only because you fail miserably to establish any link between the accusations and the reality of our discussions, but also because you made such a fool out of your self in this post that I can't really take you seriously. Not even trying to insult you right now, just to be clear, this is genuinely how I feel about this whole mess.

 

[Edogawa]

If you don't measure the size of an object by its "distance" in multiple dimensions, how do you do it?

In that particular image, you can convert the measurement in cm. The moron called Alastor thinks I should have used miles instead.

 

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In that particular image, you can convert the measurement in cm. The moron called Alastor thinks I should have used miles instead.

illiteracy tends to do wonders since illiterates like this guy who spews Force is kinetic energy keeps on insulting others :lol

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