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Again it's not brave if the majority of people around you support you. Putting you on the cover of a glamour magazine is support. You have been critical of people who disagreed with you, but that is no different than what you are accusing them of. That is why I said it's more brave today to speak out against political correctness. If he was doing this in 1960, I would fully agree with you. Even if he was doing this in some backwoods town in Mississippi I would agree with you, but he's not. He's in a liberal minded environment surrounded by family and friends that support his decision. That isn't adversity. I have gay friends that are petrified to discuss their sexuality with their families for fear of being disowned. I'm not deny that transgendered people experience that. I'm saying Bruce Jenner is not living that same experience.

Do you know what the statistics are for violent crimes committed by schizophrenics? Statistically they are less prone to violent acts than the average "full functioning" day-to-day Joe. It's people's faulty perceptions of Schizophrenics that create that mindset that they could be violent. That is the hypocrisy. People will attack someone who generalizes and criticizes a transgendered person, but turn around and jump to conclusions about Schizophrenics being violent. Do you know what one of the most common reasons Schizophrenic people are imprisoned for? It's trespassing, usually because they are homeless. You can't label a group of people as violent because you don't understand them. You can label an act as unnatural if you are using science to negate nature.

My comment about pedophilia is not stating that transgendered people are directly harming others. It's following the continuum of normalizing abnormal behavior. Boundaries get pushed and things that were considered taboo become commonplace. When I was a teenager people were appalled by the performer Marilyn Manson. If he were to have started his career this year, no one would be shocked. He'd just be a guy, in women's lingerie. Pedophilia has been a symptom of systematic moral decay in many civilizations. Who is to say we aren't going into that direction?
Majority or not, there's still going to be a ton of hate and ridicule for it. That's what makes it brave because even with the support, there's just as many who are being intolerant and hateful.

No, it's very different. You see, many people like to say that shoving intolerance towards homosexuals is no different than shoving support and tolerance for them, and intolerance for homophobia. I disagree. You see, I am being critical towards those who have disagreed with me because they have put themselves on the side of hate, intolerance and bigotry on the negative scale. While I hate and do not tolerant things like transphobia and homophobia because that is recessive towards human decency and the happiness of others. There is something to be gained from being critical the way I have been, there is something to be gained for hatred and intolerance to homophobia and transphobia. There is nothing that is gained from the hatred and intolerance that IS homophobia and transphobia. You're basically saying "Wow, you're doing the same thing that homo/transphobes do when you voice support for a prejudiced group who are unjustly targeted and often have their rights violated(in this case, homosexuals and transphobes)." To that, I say, imagine if people did the same thing for minorities and women to racists and sexists. Oh wait. People did. And it made society better. You know. That whole abolishing slavery and 19th Amendment thing and all.

Good for them. That doesn't mean that a schizophrenic doesn't still pose a danger to themselves or others. Me saying this isn't me attacking them, not at all, but my sympathy for them. I understand how they can pose a danger to themselves or others. I'm not saying it's their fault, I am not saying it's guaranteed to happen, I am saying it happens. Does it create a stigma, yes, but happens all the same. I never said all schizophrenics are violent people or are dangerous, I'm saying it can happen. And you can't just look at one and go "Oh, you won't be violent" and look another and go "But I know you will be." Hence why they have psychiatric hospitals for them to stay at. It is unfortunate the stigma towards schizophrenics exist, for any mental illness. But you do not abolish and combat stigmas by going "Wow, people are combating this stigma, why not this one?" Instead of being troubled or upset that the stigma towards transsexuals is going down because a stigma towards something else isn't, be glad that there are stigmas going down period. Be glad that the stigma towards transsexuals is falling so the next one can fall as well. You don't pick and choose who gets justice when and where, you try to get justice for all who deserve all the time, and it happens when it happens. It may not happen in our lifetime because of all the stigmas that need to fall, but you're not doing any good by saying "Wow guys you should be on THIS one over THIS one."

I know you are not saying that transsexualism is like pedophilia because you can't say that. The only common thing between them is that they are seen as abnormal. You know what else was once seen as abnormal? Pilots, police officers, carpenters, doctors, firefighters, teachers, and lawyers with vaginas. A black men pissing in the same toilet as a white man was once considered abnormal. The link of two things being "abnormal" isn't good enough. You don't have to worry about accepting transsexualism meaning we're on the road to approved pedophilia because approved pedophilia ain't on this road. Know why? Cuz it's considered harmful and impeding on others. We're not just going around approving things willy nilly because we're bored, we're actually thinking critically and objectively about this.
 

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I'm completely apathetic, personally. However, I can see why people are inspired, and who am I to judge someone else's decision to live their life? She's not harming anyone, and she's comfortable in her skin.

If you don't like it, you don't like it and that's fine. What people don't understand about voicing an opinion is that if it's wholeheartedly negative, and lacking an ethical approach, it's going to hold less merit than the contrary.. hence why the support for Jenner is heavily outweighed by the trash-talkers even though the amount of people against *** changes probably outweigh people who support such a thing.
 
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Majority or not, there's still going to be a ton of hate and ridicule for it. That's what makes it brave because even with the support, there's just as many who are being intolerant and hateful.

No, it's very different. You see, many people like to say that shoving intolerance towards homosexuals is no different than shoving support and tolerance for them, and intolerance for homophobia. I disagree. You see, I am being critical towards those who have disagreed with me because they have put themselves on the side of hate, intolerance and bigotry on the negative scale. While I hate and do not tolerant things like transphobia and homophobia because that is recessive towards human decency and the happiness of others. There is something to be gained from being critical the way I have been, there is something to be gained for hatred and intolerance to homophobia and transphobia. There is nothing that is gained from the hatred and intolerance that IS homophobia and transphobia. You're basically saying "Wow, you're doing the same thing that homo/transphobes do when you voice support for a prejudiced group who are unjustly targeted and often have their rights violated(in this case, homosexuals and transphobes)." To that, I say, imagine if people did the same thing for minorities and women to racists and sexists. Oh wait. People did. And it made society better. You know. That whole abolishing slavery and 19th Amendment thing and all.

Your logic is completely flawed. You're saying your hate is justified because it's for a good cause. No hate is for a good cause. All hate is counter productive to facilitating human decency. You criticize them because they are bringing ill-will towards others, but when you hate on people you bring ill will onto others. There is no difference. You just stand up for your beliefs like they stand up for theirs.
 

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Your logic is completely flawed. You're saying your hate is justified because it's for a good cause. No hate is for a good cause. All hate is counter productive to facilitating human decency. You criticize them because they are bringing ill-will towards others, but when you hate on people you bring ill will onto others. There is no difference. You just stand up for your beliefs like they stand up for theirs.
No it's not. Hate isn't so cut and dry black and white. Hatred for murderers, rapists, bullies, sexism, racism, homophobia, corrupt governments, crime, parents who teach their kids like shit, these are but a few of the things that have led for progress as mankind. What makes the world spin isn't whether or not you have love or hate because there is never such a thing as love or hate. You can suppress it, or ignore it, but it's there. It is always love AND hate that a human being feels. We can sugarcoat it to things like distaste, dislike, intolerance, whatever, in the end it's all the same. What makes the world spin is your love and your hate; what you apply your love to and what you apply your hate to. Rape, unjustified murder, racism, sexism, bad parenting, kidnapping, torture, extortion, all of things are illegal because enough people hated them enough to declare them as wrong, and it's worked out and been justified so far.

I criticize them for bringing ill-will where it's not warranted. I'm not someone who deludes myself into thinking that there are people incapable of feeling hate, intolerance, bigotry or that feeling these things is inherently bad. I'm a realist, what we apply these feelings to defines us.
 
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No it's not. Hate isn't so cut and dry black and white. Hatred for murderers, rapists, bullies, sexism, racism, homophobia, corrupt governments, crime, parents who teach their kids like shit, these are but a few of the things that have led for progress as mankind. What makes the world spin isn't whether or not you have love or hate because there is never such a thing as love or hate. You can suppress it, or ignore it, but it's there. It is always love AND hate that a human being feels. We can sugarcoat it to things like distaste, dislike, intolerance, whatever, in the end it's all the same. What makes the world spin is your love and your hate; what you apply your love to and what you apply your hate to. Rape, unjustified murder, racism, sexism, bad parenting, kidnapping, torture, extortion, all of things are illegal because enough people hated them enough to declare them as wrong, and it's worked out and been justified so far.

I criticize them for bringing ill-will where it's not warranted. I'm not someone who deludes myself into thinking that there are people incapable of feeling hate, intolerance, bigotry or that feeling these things is inherently bad. I'm a realist, what we apply these feelings to defines us.
You're more of an idealist than a realist. Your political, social, and religious (or irreligious) leanings are extreme. You probably see yourself as a realist because you think you're correct, but a true realist sees the truth that runs between both extremes. Most of that is probably your age. As you get older you tend to mellow out more; the more people you meet, the more tragedy you see, the more you witness people trying their best with the millions of different perspectives each reality has. You can't give me a lecture on black and white ideology when you've created a generalized list of people that you've never met before that deserve to be hated. You're following the status quo of your time, just as other have done in their time based on what they thought was right. In 30 years people may look back at your beliefs and roll their eyes.
 

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lol I knew it was you, Femme, when I saw the "Yasss".

I've always said and kinda follow the motto
"Do what thou wilt"so if she's happy now, that's all that matters.

F**k the haters yo
Aleister Crowley, is that you?

OT: Kinda reminds me of Lana Del Rey in that bottom pic. But yeah, looks much more like Janice Dickson to me.
 

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While I really dont care about this issue ... Its his/her money, his life and his body and thus none of my concern.

But I think this is a contradiction in the progressive logic....

Homosexuals attest that they are 'born that way' thus it is quite natural to be so and thus its wrong to try to 'change' them as some people suggest .... But this person was definitely born male, but is changing himself though very extensive means ... But that is the good thing now? That kinda bothers me.
 

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While I really dont care about this issue ... Its his/her money, his life and his body and thus none of my concern.

But I think this is a contradiction in the progressive logic....

Homosexuals attest that they are 'born that way' thus it is quite natural to be so and thus its wrong to try to 'change' them as some people suggest .... But this person was definitely born male, but is changing himself though very extensive means ... But that is the good thing now? That kinda bothers me.
I believe that human logic tends to accept based on emotional predilection. When the majority chooses what is acceptable, than by human logic, it has to be and anyone who disagrees or dislikes is considered a bigot
 

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Disgusting to look at.

Such a selfish choice from what I've heard about his other family.

Zero respect for him. Because it's still a guy, just without his ****.
 
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