Seen it in the AM before work. I got you when I get concrete free time to further elaborate my points. Seems I have to show you why the Hyugas are the strongest in the leaf village and why Hiashi was wishing a Niguh would test him!! lol
[VS] Byakugan vs. Sharingan final: Hiashi (draegod) vs. Prime Itachi (Forbidden Technique)
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Lmao, alright bruh! I only got one more post left so don't leave anything out with your next post. Go all in this time, and maybe, just maybe you'll push the fight to high diff in Itachi's favor
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Bro bro!!! Please step your game up and come harder!!! I Know Itachi is better then what you have been giving me! This song most of you probably aint never heard.. You're welcome!
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It isn't other wise Oru would have told The sound 5. Neji didn't make a body posture;
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and then land. There is no Way Kisame would no if it was base chakra, spl chakra, ninjutsu, taijutsu etc etc. And again Kisame doesn't know how Vacuum palm works, he was hit by it and thats it. If it were Itachi that had seen said jutsu then maybe he would have learnt everything you are proclaiming, but it was kisame and there is no way he would fully 100% master the byakugan secrets from little to nothing given. Him saying "So this is susanoo" means he has never seen it (just like he has never seen any akatsuki Jutsu nor there secrets in person) but clearly knows about to know its name when he see's it. It is fact niether Sasuke or Itachi said "susanoo" once, but he (based on his Info) knew it by name. Do you know what that means? That means Oru and him had research to Know the name and what it looks like to even bring up the fact it was susanoo. Keep in mind that thanks to the info he gave the leaf they were able to Give it to THE CLOUD VILLAGE and the cloud village
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and the rest of akatsuki. Aye has never fought an MS user but knew to be
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. How the hell
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when not even Jaraiya has ever seen Ama before! How you might ask? The Leaf and there info on Akatsuki and itachi (since it is a fact none of them new Sasuke had MS let alone The same techs as itachi). So basically he would know about Itachi's 3 great Jutsu (susanoo,Ama, and Tsukuyomi). I never said the weapons were known nor does it matter since Yata is banned (and the only threat). The other Jutsu's does not matter in teh slightest tbh since they are dealt with accordingly.
Muscle movements does not equal Chakra coming out of the Network. So he will never know when Full body blow or Rotation or pure chakra will be used ever! I literally showed you scans of
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. That is cannon fact the sharingan cannot see nor predict the use of chakra being expelled outside the body and against them! So this fact still stands until you show cannon proof of any uchiha predicting the use of chakra being channeled to be used out side of the body.That post would hold ground if; A) Neji wasn't on tree's and had limited space, and Didnt know he could counter it. But it was fact Neji kept that secret from him on purpose so he could create an opening.
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to get rid of the webs and Go in for the Killing Jutsu! B) Kisame's entire upper was turned into a wide spread water to grab him and lee. As in no arms to counter etc. Since that is what the Hyuga bank on. So neither of you're example hold any ground since it was all planned. You're taking Tenten's explanation out of context bro. This was a small break down so the veiwers would know how it is possible. As seen in
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at a split seconds notice! They spin so fast with teh chakra it instantly creates a Dense Perfect Defense
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with the Air itself still in a spinning motion as if they're still spinning. They're is no Lag time nor in between phase in Shippuden with the two elites! Hiashi in part one create a Rotation so big and wide the elite joinins were hit before they knew it.And again you are taking part one neji being trapped in kido's webs and examining his jutsu first as him taking forever to release chakra. When not only in part two is Rotation nigh instant, but he at the last second on multiple occasions was able to release chakra when said attack was literally MM away from his body! [
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], [
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], [
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]. Them being able to use chakra from there hands like a barrier and canceler is totally different from Using Rotation and FBB on an different level and circumstance. You probably don't get what I'm saying so I expect you to question it then I'll go in further details bro. Itachi cannot predict Chakra output (unless you show Manga pages of said feat). Hyuga's do not have to move a muscle to expel chakra, manga fact brutha! haha
Incorrect again! Hiashi who easily has 3/4 times as much chakra as his daughter and neph, was able to instantly create a giant Kaiten and instantly retract it! Neji at a much weaker state and age was able to create a
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that easily shits on 10000 kunai's from Itachi! The chakra can not only be condensed and thus making it harder to penetrate; the chakra can literally redirect every single Kunai thrown at him to go around him. Creating a Armor about 3-4 inches thick will be more then enough to counter shurikens! I'll further break this post down for you to better understand:
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Daggers and things alike are literally no problem for any ninja; let alone Hiashi who can redirect and/or shield himself. With just the chakra on his hands alone he was able to have things bounce off as if he were using a armour or weapon to protect his body. They are able to make split second decisions that are only a
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There is no way any shuriken will get through to hiashi nor be even worth worrying about. And no Neji didn't need to,
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while he is mid air on the wall
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. It was a strategic move on neji's part that he used on naruto but he was too fast (and ofc neji didnt know it yet that naruto's speed increased). And I didn't know Itachi had explosive tags he uses in fights. Can you link an instance of him ever using one? That's like giving Rock lee a Sword..... And it wouldn't matter since Hiashi would simple detach said tag and throw it aside, or simply use that particular kunai flying back at itachi! Assuming Itachi Had tags he has never shown ofc.
Already proved and further proved why The kunai strategy is useless. Neji was able to
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, Hiashi not once was tagged by the Juubi's stakes yet you think Basic kunais that have kilt no one will bypass Hiashi? lolThen you are extra wrong in the way Bunshin's work.
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What you just did was gave Itachi the Rinnengan's shared vision which is not itachi's feat. This post alone destroyed the thought of your Bunshin surving nor knowing about Vacuum palm! So moving on; the First clone is destroyed instantly! Any other clone or the real itachi will be seen building chakra in his feet for a predicted Shunshin, and thus a Rotation would easily follow before Itachi is even close! Since you love that damn overrated Susanoo arrow so much:
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Lets talk about the fact Danzo not only had time to talk to himself, but also had time to Muster up chakra and Make a giant Mokuton tree come from his arm move in front of him before the arrow hit him! Hiashi not only moves faster then Danzou can do everything he did.
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for a Jutsu activation before the Arrow hit him. the only thing difference between the old man using hand seals and Mokuton his Rotation is lightyears faster then the feats Danzo displayed! Or how about
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? I'm not in No way saying the arrow is slow, but rather the feats of ppl reacting to it shows you have plenty of time to think of somthing to do before it hits you. Kakshi at the last second had enough time to activate MS then initiate Kamui and Warp 2 arrows before they were close to him! It is a myth used by certain members that it is unavoidable or you cannot react to it (when fact shows many reacted to it).
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Literally at the last second can Rotation be used (this was part one neji btw). In part two not only are they able to spin faster and more instant there chakra out put alone can reach 50 meters to feel and control/alter anything they choose. So not only would rotation not be needed against Itachi's body, but any and every Punch would be pushed out of the way. You also add the fact with the
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Itachi will not be able to see Hiashi but instead see a big blurr of chakra since it would be all of Hiashi's chakra surrounding him:
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And based on previous manga fights the Sharingan see's the
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. As stated by Itachi himself
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because not only were the snakes kabutos chakra but they all masked Kabuto's chakra because of the fact! So in short With the Chakra aura not only would make Itachi or any sharingan user not be able to See the Hyuga in the middle but the chakra itself would actually be
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. I guess you can say this is there way of predicting muscle movement. =P
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This is what they will see thanks to there eyes seeing The
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and masking there own chakra with in there
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. Now ofc they will be able if they choose to use basic vision see Hiashi, but this would then be in Hiashi's advantage which I will save for later..But the CLone will no doubt be one shotted by Vacuum palm from a distance! The crows are childs play. Sasuke couldn't counter it because all he see in Line of Sight front vision and Color of chakra, Kabuto sensing was be fluttered by the fact the crows where every where around him. Byakugan not only has xray vision to still see everything perfectly, but they also have near 360 vision to keep track of everything around them. Hiashi would literally Full body blow not only the weak Crows but Itachi/bunshin that attempts to get near him thus fatally injuring him. The crow tactic is a waste of time and he has the feats to kill them all at once whether Body blow or rotation something everyone else lacked.
And being able to see a flock of crows in a body form means I would know they are crows that fly and this is a feint attempt to catch me off guard. Common since really. Sasuke or DS kabuto never knew it was a crow clone to even prepare, Byakugan does. Plus A shunshin attempt and MS power up in one eye attempt would be seen the entire time before it happens. So no surprise factors what so ever for a ninja of Hiashi's level.
Lets ignore the fact The crow clone tactic is childs play, lets then ignore the fact that Neji as a gennin in early part one last second intercepted a much much much more faster opponent with wayyyyyyyyyyyyy more poweful chakra then him perfectly! How about we use the fact Hiashi and part 2 neji's Rotation is nigh instant? And with the furthest range of Tsuku being a few meters (about 5 or so),
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. So Tsuku based on manga range will never be close enough to place him in genjutsu. Plus the fact he would see the
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and know to avoid any and all genjutsu attempts!And how is it out of character? Is it out of character that i use a Fire jutsu on a water jutsu instead of a earth style? No! Depending on the situation I will act accordingly with what ever I deem necessary! All visual genjutsu is perfectly countered period! Hiashi can do what ever he pleases to not get hit. He isn't the cocky type to allow something to purposely affect him just because.
And you've already in another thread conceded to this point:
So since you finally get the point we will drop it ok?
But neji ws never alarmed but rather being cautious since he was waiting for the next move (the type of fighter neji has always been btw).
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care he "shunshin away"
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! Not a very good example bro. haha Crow tactic has been dealt with with numerous methods no diff, so he entire distraction notion is useless and would never work. You haven't shown anything to say he is near the arrow in speed, plus the fact I showed why it didn't matter if he was near the arrows speed since the arrow isn't the end all be all in terms of speed. Ad ofc it can be used as an example for the simple fact...
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!!! He never seen the arrow my guy! Hiashi was able to track a TBB from the juubi that was going Massively Hypersonic (in terms of Battle dome calculations):
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He not only was able to keep track and match the entire speed sequence of it traveling across the continent in a few seconds (thats marvel/dc elite characters level of speed to cross cities and continents in a few seconds btw). He even noted the city being destroyed during the explosion sequence to note it being "instant"... Nothing Itachi or Susanoo arrow shown is able to reach them speeds period! Yet with out even trying was able to keep track of something going so fast! Now; with that being a fact of the manga, since itachi isn't even close to 50% of that speed that was shown for the TBB crossing the continent out of every ones sight, he no diff is tracked each and every time by hiashi! And since it is instant to dispell chakra from ones body, a Body blow from not even moving an inch would intercept itachi every single time! Assuming Hiashi cannot react to Itachi's speed ofc. But with Hand speed of the Hyuga's only being matched by Guy himself 6th gate plus and God lv characters he will no diff be able to intercept and block/grab itachi.
Bee had a Giant sword to swing and itachi barely dodged his strike.
Bee was the one pressing Itachi for a retreat.
Bee was never overwhelmed by Itachi's speed.
Bee doesn't have the Byakugan to see every where and thing at once!
Itachi had to first take out the extra eyes to surprise Nagato, nothing to brag about since he wasn't fast enough to simply attack Nagato head up like
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. And Neji easily out of no where intercepted the Wooden spears last second that no one else on the battle field could do. So what is your point? Neji has beyond Good speed feats that you really don't want me to bring up since you agree to them have the same speed.
He seen the entire attack the entire time and even noted the speed it was going to judge if they would have time to block it. That not only shows his analytical speed, but also shows he can measure speed of objects and humans no diff! He him self was already in the process of finishing blocking the juubi that he didn't have time to help them and do what? He himself just used a Super vacuum palm and noted the younger two's version wouldn't make it in time implying if he would had been able to use it he would have saved them. Keep in ming multiple fast ninja were on th ebattle field including guy, so unless you are saying all of them are slow i would simply drop this argument seeing as neji literally at the last second was able to intercept it! [
Now that you finally brought up the only thing making this a fight I'll get a little serious as well. haha
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You misinterpreted the manga yet again bro. smh When neji was trapped in the cocoon he was simply observing and analyzing the material and jutsu being used on him. Because it is fact that later when he was in a
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So no, they are instantly able to invade and destroy any and all chakra constructs!As seen with ninjutsu:
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Something that not even Base guy could plow through stood no chance against it's pressure! Bee, naruto, guy, etc etc were all victims and thanks to Gentle fist it was instantly erased and Destroyed.
As seen with chakra related substance:
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Something that
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knowing the in's and out of both his and Itachi's susanoo (and spirit weapons included). And instead relied on Chemical change to burn the webs instead (keep in mind not a regular fire jutsu was attempted, they instead deemed the hottest fire jutsu ever to stand a chance agaisnt the webs!!!!!!!). Yet Gentle fist no diff was able to get rid of the webs like childs play! lmaoI will now further show you the reason why it is hopeless for the uchiha in front of Hiashi! haha
No! This is only mis used by certain uchiha supporters. lol I didnt think you were one of them.
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n! It was no surprise to anyone and
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to safely "last second" too be safe and avoid said attack. Plus the fact Sharingan reads movements he seen
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, That last seen could have been when he chose to use susanoo (which obv it was). No where was itachi surprised and caught off guard. Then you go to say his arm moves faster then Kabuto's striking speed when Kabuto was never trying to cut Sauske to begin with (manga fact) he planed on tagging itachi himself! But Wait!!!!!!!!!!!!
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??????????? That slow as strike was able to be faster then lighting I guess huh? Does that mean Kabuto is the fastest ninja? Ofcourse not! It just means itachi's feats are over wanked. Hyuga's not only strike massively faster then Kabuto's hit on Itachi, they will have no problems landing blows on itachi or his susanoo. Danzo not only was testing sasuke and his abilities (fact) he didnt know of Susanoo nor can even see chakra build up to see it coming like the Byuakugan. So mute point to bring that horrible feat up of danzo not trying his best let alone an old man that doesn't compare.
And ofc his striking speed is regular and nothing to brag about. Slow giant snake heads that just bounced off his shield must be extremely fast bro? really? I'll save this part for my last post if you wanna continue it..
Not only do they move faster then any susanoo arms movement every shown by Itachi, but 64 palms with Twin lions fist No diff Ends Itachi!
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This would easily be able to destroy Susanoo while draining it's chakra getting struck at blazing speeds! Aye with pure power and speed was able to
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! Not only is the 64 palm able to strike 64 times in the same area and destroy plus drain chakra,
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at which it is happening at will easily breach Itachi and kill him! This part I will not even go into further details on till my last post, I'll leave reason for hope before I snatch it! There are a total of maybe 4 layers of Itachi's Complete susanoo correct? (I could be wrong)
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All in which add's an extra layer of chakra and nothing more (with the form of Chakra organs/skin and what not). As seen when
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Thus stopping sasuke from advancing his susanoo any further, and Neji injecting an unbreakable webs chakra structure;
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Itachi never uses his Final form off back and wouldn't feel the need to against Hiashi (manga fact based off his character whether if he is trying to kill or not). So all though if Hiashi is dealing with Final form he would take longer to finally breach the layers, with each strike constantly Draining his Susanoo at a rapid rate and giving it to Hiashi (thus replenishing his reserves), Hiashi would be able to not only Fight most of the entire time with Twin lion fist active, as long as Itachi's susanoo touches the Said atatck it gets it's chakra drained/absorbed. The difference between the attacks Aye/Danzo/Naruto and others did on Susanoo were they were "strongfist" style attacks which are meant to damage the outside. And with blunt force succeeded!
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, but also Uses Jyuken which is a manga fact evades and destroys ALL NONE RIKUDO chakra constructs (no disputing). Twin lion fist goes beyond that and drains chakra while destroying it at the same time! It would be like putting an eraser against a paper covered with pencil marks!
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And with the attacks range being able to protect the users body, it is also a great defense at the same time just encase Susanoo decides to counter attack with them slow as punches! Even Pain him self oppet to not get touched by Hinata while the Jutsu was active and instead used his ace move on a fodder character at the moment.
Incorrect yet again bro bro!!
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Ummm no! The Juubi tanked its own TBB, so please don't sask why it wasn't desroyed. It is a physical living entity just like the Bijuu. It isn't pure chakra and plus lets ignore the fact that only Nature energy and sage mode is even a threat for the juubi's destruction (manga fact). Do not everrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Compare the Juubi anything to any susanoo ever shown in the manga. Period bro!
Next; to understand why Kisame wasn't affected we first have to know 1) it was a dead bodies chakra network that wasn't Kisames body at all (fact). 2) right after he was hit Kisame grabbed samahada and with simple contact chakra is replinished and damage is heals (fact). So to ask why Kisame wasn't affected is to not know the abilities and jutsu's that were in play ultimately.
Lastly It is fact That Jyuken destroys anything chakra related, and seeing as Susanoo is nothing but manifested chakra it is no different! If Hiashi uses Vacuum wall palm Susanoo is not only Obliterated, itachi is fatally damaged!
Lets also ignore the fact that Susanoo also can be breached with Jyuken cannonly! And dont say "it was kaguya" when it's a fact the hyugas techs come from her and she simply used the byakugan to tag sasuke. Not saying hiashi is on her level nor close (and itachi sin't close to sasuke either btw), but with Jyuken she was able to tag sasuke.
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Since it's manga and databook fact Vacuum palm is the same as Kaguya's just wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy weaker (since no one compares to her). She with no diff Not only Bested Narutos chakra but Offed sasuke's PS. Now I'm not saying Vacuum wall can beat Kyubi chakra (even though it is able to bypass it no diff) and PS. But rather scaling it down would show No chakra is a match for Vacuum palm on the level of humans!
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If Danzo's wind jutsu (that isn't even on the same level of damage let alone have the ability to destroy anything chakra related) could bust open v3 SUsanoo the Hiashi's Vacuum palm will easily destroy susanoo of any level Itachi has! The
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that it took the
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!! Now unless you're saying Danzo's jutsu has more power then the best wind users combining there attacks (with Temari alone being equal or close to his power damaging the 3rd Raikage with out his armor alone). I can and will go into further detail in my last post. I already know what your next post might atempt to say.. haha
I already debunked the crow strategy, so moving on. Are you really implying a Fist from Susanoo has more power then the tail of The Juubi? Did I really just see you imply that? Then you think Rotation is like a Tornado when it isn't even close!!! It is a 360 Perfect Sphere defense that is perfectly compact with ZERO WEAK SPOTS! Neji's Rotation didn't get breached btw, he simply couldn't spin long enough and thus stopped while Hiashi kept spinning no problem!
Wrong yet again like explain already, Rotation has zero weak spots unless you have manga proof of such.
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(manga fact off that image alone) From the "top" did not fold, so what is your excuse this time? And also keep in mind Hiashi did a smaller standered Rotation to match Neji's when we know it's a fact Hiashi's Rotation is twice as big and thus can conclude He used Neji's rotation to guarantee more ground was covered and make sure the Juubi's hand wouldn't breach. Nothing in Itachi's aresenal would ever breach Rotation! EVERRRRRr!That useless Blade? Lmao That thing is even more useless then Amateratsu in this fight (that I see you're smart enough to not even bring up since you know hiashi owns one of the three great Jutsu's no diff)I almost feel bad tbh. So I'll just refrain from using both the god weapons to make this somewhat of a fair fight
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Smh, been bumping that entire album for a whole entire week already, you're late! But let me read this post real quick
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If this is going to be my last rebuttal, then you need to provide all your reasoning in this post. Your very last post should only be countering my points, not to bring in new argumentation. That would be taking advantage of the fact that I can't rebuttal it.... it's common debate courtesy.
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