[Discussion] Buddhist monk sets himself on fire!!!

[Pavoneo]

Present generation should stand up and act sometimes, instead of passing the buck to next generation.

Anyone can pass knowledge onto someone else, but it takes a true idol to lead by example rather than words.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

Anyone can pass knowledge onto someone else, but it takes a true idol to lead by example rather than words.

Leading by actions rather than words? By Killing yourself? So since he killed him self we should all kill our selves or burn ourselves to a crisp? What would that change? Would the world stop doing what its been doing because a mass body of people burned themselves to death? No.

Present generation should stand up and act sometimes, instead of passing the buck to next generation.

You all don't seem to understand by passing knowledge on to the next generation, you are bequeathing them with wisdom of past mistakes and accomplishments, inspiring them, sparking ingenuity. The future is built on the foundations of the past. If our elders all burned themselves to death, who would be the ones to teach us about treachery of government, monarchy's etc etc, so that we would know how to deal with such things? If our government decides to oppress, it is the duty of the people to stand up and force change, not sit down Indian style and set fire to our persons, giving up on the world and attempting to force rebirth by actually setting fire to our body, thats absurd.

 

[-S-]

Regardless of what he believes in, I don't see the point in this at all.

Whatever he achieves will just dissolve later in the future, and what example is he setting to the younger generation? To burn yourself to achieve peace?

Killing yourself for peace is merely threatening those who you oppose. Nothing is actually agreed on or achieved.

Perhaps I'm just ****ing ignorant.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

Regardless of what he believes in, I don't see the point in this at all.

Whatever he achieves will just dissolve later in the future, and what example is he setting to the younger generation? To burn yourself to achieve peace?

Killing yourself for peace is merely threatening those who you oppose. Nothing is actually agreed on or achieved.

Perhaps I'm just ****ing ignorant.

This, and no, your not ignorant.

 

[-S-]

This, and no, your not ignorant.

Thank gosh for that.

So what now? The government will say 'we should stop slaughtering cattle inhumanly, because more people will burn themselves. But still if it wasn't for the community, we'd still kill those cattle how we like'?

That's false peace.

Now the monk is dead. And nothing much has really changed. Corruption still exists, and a life is lost. A life that could have educated himself, rose to power, and spread his ideals onto his country and the world. If if he didn't make it, he could've inspired young children to do the same, and could have been a revolutionary. But now he has departed the world, and left humanity behind. I know it's hard to achieve such things, in such areas of the world, but I'd rather look to that as hope, rather than self-sacrifice as a way to help my people.

You may think his sacrifice was brave. But to the eyes of some, it was drowned in chaos and despair, a man who was had given up all other options. People now think the way to liberate mankind, and bring justice is through an act of suicide. What does that say about the world? That there is no hope; that this is the extremities we must strive to in order to achieve stability.

The act of that man is not a beacon of hope for humanity, because his courage has now died out, and the brave man is dead.

I understand that what I speak of is of a perfect world. But have we not seen to men and women who have used their words to bring justice? Who have become leaders and led people down the right path? We have seen it is possible.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

Thank gosh for that.

So what now? The government will say 'we should stop slaughtering cattle inhumanly, because more people will burn themselves. But still if it wasn't for the community, we'd still kill those cattle how we like'?

That's false peace.

Now the monk is dead. And nothing much has really changed. Corruption still exists, and a life is lost. A life that could have educated himself, rose to power, and spread his ideals onto his country and the world. If if he didn't make it, he could've inspired young children to do the same, and could have been a revolutionary. But now he has departed the world, and left humanity behind. I know it's hard to achieve such things, in such areas of the world, but I'd rather look to that as hope, rather than self-sacrifice as a way to help my people.

You may think his sacrifice was brave. But to the eyes of some, it was drowned in chaos and despair, a man who was had given up all other options. People now think the way to liberate mankind, and bring justice is through an act of suicide. What does that say about the world? That there is no hope; that this is the extremities we must strive to in order to achieve stability.

The act of that man is not a beacon of hope for humanity, because his courage has now died out, and the brave man is dead.

I understand that what I speak of is of a perfect world. But have we not seen to men and women who have used their words to bring justice? Who have become leaders and led people down the right path? We have seen it is possible.

What does it say about our world? It says the world is in a sad state of affairs if a man fells he must self mutilate himself until death.

 

[Netferarri]

That's pretty f*cked up and crazy ~_~

 

[Guy Fawkes]

That's pretty f*cked up and crazy ~_~

Indeed it is my friend..

 

[Avani]

You all don't seem to understand by passing knowledge on o the next generation, you are bequeathing them with wisdom of past mistakes and accomplishments, inspiring them, sparking ingenuity. The future is built on the foundations of the past. If our elders all burned themselves to death, who would be the ones to teach us about treachery of government, monarchy's etc etc, so that we would know how to deal with such things? If our government decides to oppress, it is the duty of the people to stand up and force change, not sit down Indian style and set fire to our persons, giving up on the world and attempting to force rebirth by actually setting fire to our body, thats absurd.

Not everything fits everywhere. Passing on to next generation bit should come only when you have tried your all and run out of time. Besides, who said anyone that the monk was forcing rebirth for his cause- that's an absurd deduction. He was trying to draw serious attention to a problem. "Drawing attention to the seriousness( at least for him) of the issue" is the key word.

I do not endorse his idea if protest either. This issue is not something which is going to be resolved by a flashy protest even. My objections was the way you presented the clip and generated 2 pages of stupid spam and insults posts over a serious issue along with insults for a religion and followers as a whole.

As far as I see the issue here is whether his method of doing it was worth it or not i.e. :-

Killing your self to be heard - is that even practical and does it make any long term effect? And if the issue he did it for is that important - why or why not.

He believed slaughtering cattle while they are conscious was not right. Other side believes unless it is done by that method meat is not pure enough to be eaten. This issue is somewhat similar to issue of abortion in some Western countries in some manners and an unending debate variously.

 

[Senju Bean]

If he is alive, I'm sure he regrets it now.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

Not everything fits everywhere. Passing on to next generation bit should come only when you have tried your all and run out of time. Besides, who said anyone that the monk was forcing rebirth for his cause- that's an absurd deduction. He was trying to draw serious attention to a problem. "Drawing attention to the seriousness( at least for him) of the issue" is the key word.

I do not endorse his idea if protest either. This issue is not something which is not going to resolve by a flashy protest even. My objections was the way you presented the clip and generated 2 pages of stupid spam and insults posts over a serious issue along with insults for a religion and followers as a whole.

As far as I see the issue here is whether his method of doing it was worth it or not i.e. :-

Killing your self to be heard - is that even practical and does it make any long term effect? And if the issue he did it for is that important - why or why not.

He believed slaughtering cattle while they are conscious was not right. Other side believes unless it is done by that method meat is not pure enough to be eaten. This issue is somewhat similar to issue of abortion in some Western countries in some manners and an unending debate variously.

When did i make fun of his religion? When did i make fun of his followers? please quote me. I made a valid point, period.
And i made that quote about rebirth because someone on here was saying that's why he did it, or something like that. I like how you keep try to chastise me on every little thing i post, as if it makes absolutely no sense.

And you couldn't be more wrong you don't pass on knowledge after your old as a last resort, your suppose to pass on knowledge throughout your entire life, and not as a last resort either, the last resort should be killing yourself

 

[Funky Tiger]

When did i make fun of his religion? When did i make fun of his followers? please quote me. I made a valid point, period.
And i made that quote about rebirth because someone on here was saying that's why he did it, or something like that. I like how you keep try to chastise me on every little thing i post, as if it makes absolutely no sense.

And you couldn't be more wrong you don't pass on knowledge after your old as a last resort, your suppose to pass on knowledge throughout your entire life, and not as a last resort either, the last resort should be killing yourself

No, you don't pass on knowledge throughout your life. You gain knowledge throughout your life How can you pass knowledge when you don't know shit? Seriously, we have to gain knowledge first ourselves. What we know is minuscle when compared to what there is to know. The future generations must find out for themselves;we may only guide them, let them know whatever little we know, and ask them to find out if what we think we know is true or not.

I too am not for self immolation, I'm just against the way you presented this thread. You might now have literally dissed his religion and monks in general, but your posts were constantly implying that all monks and maybe even Buddhists are dumb.

 

[amarusboobs]

Dammmmn :|