BT Sasuke vs. Konohamaru

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That's precisely it, Sasuke was fast and skilled enough in Taijutsu to force Kakashi to take the offensive, Konohamaru wouldn't be able to do that.

Remember that the Naraka Path was slow, heavy and clumsy whereas Kakashi is pretty quick on his feet.

sry solo'ing a Pein >>>>>>>>>>>> forcing a Zabuza level ninja to "take the offense"

 

[BlacLord™]

sry solo'ing a Pein >>>>>>>>>>>> forcing a Zabuza level ninja to "take the offense"

The logic is weak with this one..

I would be more inclined to believe you if the body itself was of a combatant but it wasn't, the body was taken from a old, fat priest. Even Haku could take down the Naraka Path, so when you say "solo'ing" a Pein, make sure it's one that was actually supposed to fight.

Part 1 Kakashi >>>>>>> Naraka Path.

And please tell me why you put quotation marks around take the offense? It's grammatically correct and Kakashi had to use an offensive technique, thus taking the offense.

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

The logic is weak with this one..

I would be more inclined to believe you if the body itself was of a combatant but it wasn't, the body was taken from a old, fat priest. Even Haku could take down the Naraka Path, so when you say "solo'ing" a Pein, make sure it's one that was actually supposed to fight.

Part 1 Kakashi >>>>>>> Naraka Path.

And please tell me why you put quotation marks around take the offense? It's grammatically correct and Kakashi had to use an offensive technique, thus taking the offense.

Kakashi was stronger but you're overrating the gap... even Zabuza owned him and Naruto had to save him... but feel free to believe land of waves arc Kakashi was 2 tiers above him if it makes you feel good...

their physical state is totally irrelevant ... it was all about their rinnegan abilities... take away CT BT and ST from Deva and chunin exams arc Neji will solo' no diff... Preta path was also a fat man yet he was supposed to fight

Sasuke hasn't forced shit... Kakashi could have used deffensive as well or simply dodge he had like 23 ways to roflstomp Sasuke despite the fact that he was around Zabuza's level...

 

[Netferarri]

Sasuke takes this. Katon and his taijutsu skill are too much for the boy to handle.

 

[TheTailedSage]

Kakashi was stronger but you're overrating the gap... even Zabuza owned him and Naruto had to save him... but feel free to believe land of waves arc Kakashi was 2 tiers above him if it makes you feel good...

their physical state is totally irrelevant ... it was all about their rinnegan abilities... take away CT BT and ST from Deva and chunin exams arc Neji will solo' no diff... Preta path was also a fat man yet he was supposed to fight

Sasuke hasn't forced shit... Kakashi could have used deffensive as well or simply dodge he had like 23 ways to roflstomp Sasuke despite the fact that he was around Zabuza's level...

To put an end to this foolish argument on your half totsuka, konohamaru has shown minimal skill in taijutsu and minimal skill in ninjutsu. If sasuke is considered pretty much a genius at this stage and is able to analyse battle from a rookie geniuses prospective, then how is konohamaru supposed to even out smart sasuke? All he has is rasengan like i stated before and has displayed very little intelligence feats. With these feats, what proof do you have that he even comes close to beating sasuke?

Talking about zabuza, he didnt own kakashi as your putting it. He had got him in a water prison which pretty much saved zabuza at that time. Yes he had assistance from sasuke and naruto but this means nothing if your putting kakashi up against naraka path since he hasnt displayed any jutsu that can catch kakashi. I havent even mentioned dog summoning which helps kakashi in most of his part 1 battles

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

To put an end to this foolish argument on your half totsuka, konohamaru has shown minimal skill in taijutsu and minimal skill in ninjutsu. If sasuke is considered pretty much a genius at this stage and is able to analyse battle from a rookie geniuses prospective, then how is konohamaru supposed to even out smart sasuke? All he has is rasengan like i stated before and has displayed very little intelligence feats. With these feats, what proof do you have that he even comes close to beating sasuke?

Talking about zabuza, he didnt own kakashi as your putting it. He had got him in a water prison which pretty much saved zabuza at that time. Yes he had assistance from sasuke and naruto but this means nothing if your putting kakashi up against naraka path since he hasnt displayed any jutsu that can catch kakashi. I havent even mentioned dog summoning which helps kakashi in most of his part 1 battles

indeed he doesn't have much feats he still stomps bt Sasuke

outsmarting Nagato >>>> any intelligence feat bt Sasuke displayed

Zabuza was owning him and Kakashi had no way to escape... if it wasn't for Naruto the fight would have ended there... like it or not...

dog summoning... iirc Kakashi wasn't forced to use the dogs while toying around with the 3 fodders

anyway this thread is an awesome example of the general overestimation of most main characters... even though current Sasuke is top5 it has nothing to do with the fact that bt Sasuke gets shitstomped by any part2 ninja excluding the ones who has shown absolutely no speed/intelligence feats and cannot use any kind of offensive ninjutsu...

 

[AGoodBoy]

Lol Sasuke has plenty of skills to beat this guy. What a joke this thread is turning out to be. His Shuriken-Jutsu injunction with strings and Katon fooled Orochimaru, but Konohamaru somehow takes this. Hilarious. Sasuke's speed is Legions better than Konohamaru who only took down Nakara; a path with ZERO speed feats. His Rasangan can be easily countered with simple evasion. The great Fireball technique would fry the kid. On intelligence level, the gap is quite vast as well. Taijutsu wise, Sasuke was great for his age, who took on two Chunins by himself and was on par with Haku's speed before he put up his mirror technique. Even then, Sasuke, according to Haku was evading and avoiding getting hit on his critical areas.

All of this is useless as it happened after Bell test. Even worse is the fact that this happened after more training, to the point where Sasuke couldn't climb a tree prior to anything you're stating.

OT: Konohamaru wins.

 

[TheTailedSage]

indeed he doesn't have much feats he still stomps bt Sasuke

outsmarting Nagato >>>> any intelligence feat bt Sasuke displayed

Zabuza was owning him and Kakashi had no way to escape... if it wasn't for Naruto the fight would have ended there... like it or not...

dog summoning... iirc Kakashi wasn't forced to use the dogs while toying around with the 3 fodders

anyway this thread is an awesome example of the general overestimation of most main characters... even though current Sasuke is top5 it has nothing to do with the fact that bt Sasuke gets shitstomped by any part2 ninja excluding the ones who has shown absolutely no speed/intelligence feats and cannot use any kind of offensive ninjutsu...

Red: With what proof? Its like me saying i dont have any strength left but i can still beat a 6ft grown man whos skills in wing chung. Thats your opinion, show me proof he beats sasuke

So... Kid naruto> part one obito because he gave kabuto a rasengan to his chest? Sakura>juubi because she took out one of the clones? Base naruto (immortal akatsuki)> kakazu because he caught kakazu off gaurd and used rasen shuriken at the end? He was merely caught off gaurd because he underestimated konohamarus rasengan and battle capability.

Green: i didnt disagree but this has no relevance to what your saying about konohamaru beating part 1 kakashi

Blue: who "forced" him?

Black: so sasuke gets owned by ino? Beggining of shippuden sakura? No... Just no

 

[BlacLord™]

Kakashi was stronger but you're overrating the gap... even Zabuza owned him and Naruto had to save him... but feel free to believe land of waves arc Kakashi was 2 tiers above him if it makes you feel good...

their physical state is totally irrelevant ... it was all about their rinnegan abilities... take away CT BT and ST from Deva and chunin exams arc Neji will solo' no diff... Preta path was also a fat man yet he was supposed to fight

Sasuke hasn't forced shit... Kakashi could have used deffensive as well or simply dodge he had like 23 ways to roflstomp Sasuke despite the fact that he was around Zabuza's level...

What? The only Rinnegan technique it could use was the King of Hell.

The Preta Path was supplementary, not a fighter.

"Their physical state is totally irrelevant" Are you kidding me? Naraka's physical state is relevant because it was slow, and easy for Konohamaru to dodge.

The fact is, the Naraka Path lacked the skills in taijutsu, ninjutsu and genjutsu to fight. What you're saying is like someone beating up a former world champion boxer who has become old and crippled, then crediting them for it.

This is probably the funniest part, even when Kakashi said himself he couldn't, you say he could.

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

you still fail to understand...

Kakashi hasn't used Chidori
Kakashi hasn't used his 3T Sharingan
Kakashi hasn't used his ninja dogs

this is the same Kakashi who would have died against Zabuza if it wasn't for Naruto and Sasuke hasn't solo'd him despite the fact that 1 he was toying around 2 he was fodder... all Sasuke achieved was taking it to very low diff from no diff and the only reason why this happened was that 1 Kakashi had absolutely no killing intention 2 he used about the 0,001% of his arsenal at most

 

[BlacLord™]

i still fail to understand...

Kakashi hasn't used Chidori
Kakashi hasn't used his 3T Sharingan
Kakashi hasn't used his ninja dogs

this is the same Kakashi who would have died against Zabuza if it wasn't for Naruto and Sasuke hasn't solo'd him despite the fact that 1 he was toying around 2 he was fodder... all Sasuke achieved was taking it to very low diff from no diff and the only reason why this happened was that 1 Kakashi had absolutely no killing intention 2 he used about the 0,001% of his arsenal at most

Indeed you do fail to understand...

Kakashi used the Shinjū Zanshu no Jutsu on Sasuke to stop him, heactively set out to stop him, in other words, taking the offensive.

Kakashi let his guard down and you seem to think that automatically makes him =/> Zabuza. At the end of the day, Kakashi > Zabuza, he won the match when he kept his guard up.

If you think that it's more impressive to take down the Naraka Path than Kakashi, I would seriously suggest re-evaluating your knowledge.

 

[TheTailedSage]

Indeed you do fail to understand...

Kakashi used the Shinjū Zanshu no Jutsu on Sasuke to stop him, heactively set out to stop him, in other words, taking the offensive.

Kakashi let his guard down and you seem to think that automatically makes him =/> Zabuza. At the end of the day, Kakashi > Zabuza, he won the match when he kept his guard up.

If you think that it's more impressive to take down the Naraka Path than Kakashi, I would seriously suggest re-evaluating your knowledge.

He hasnt shown much proof and has failed to counter much posts

 

[Ahmed1993]

Sasuke wins Neg-Diff U_U

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

Indeed you do fail to understand...

Kakashi used the Shinjū Zanshu no Jutsu on Sasuke to stop him, heactively set out to stop him, in other words, taking the offensive.

indeed ...going all out and getting fodderized by a D-rank jutsu is a very impressive feat... btw Deva handled Hinata with an offensive jutsu too so I guess she can beat most ninjas who are weaker than Deva...

Kakashi let his guard down

reread the manga Kakashi took Zabuza 100% seriously

and you seem to think that automatically makes him =/> Zabuza.

nope he's simply the same tier

At the end of the day, Kakashi > Zabuza, he won the match when he kept his guard up.

he never took him lightly to begin with

If you think that it's more impressive to take down the Naraka Path than Kakashi, I would seriously suggest re-evaluating your knowledge.

I never said such a thing...

solo'ing Kakashi even without Kamui is a far more impressive feat than solo'ing Naraka however forcing Land of Waves arc Kakashi to shit on you with a D-rank jutsu is not...

@BlacLord don't be mad because your post isn't worthy of any kind of counter

 

[Exaar]

Indeed you do fail to understand...

Kakashi used the Shinjū Zanshu no Jutsu on Sasuke to stop him, heactively set out to stop him, in other words, taking the offensive.

Kakashi took the offensive against all 3 of team 7.

He actively attacked naruto by ramming his fingers up his ass
He actively attacked sakura with genjutsu.

Also, Kakashi was Giving them lessons in each area, He Beat naruto in Taijutsu because it was a Taijutsu lesson

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He got Sakura with Genjutsu because that was the second lesson

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That only left Ninjutsu, So kakashi using a Ninjutsu to defeat sasuke didn't prove anything, Of course kakashi admited sasuke was "Different" from Naruto/Sakura but it doesn't mean he was forced to take the offensive.

 

[shelke]

^ Kakashi WAS forced to go on the offensive. Do you even read the manga?

 

[Exaar]

^ Kakashi WAS forced to go on the offensive. Do you even read the manga?

No he wasn't forced.

He attacked because he felt like it, Unless you're going to also claim that naruto "Forced" kakashi to attack.

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[Byakusharinnegan]

^ Kakashi WAS forced to go on the offensive. Do you even read the manga?

Sigh. Just because people don't eagerly stare at the manga every day, noting every single tiny detail, doesn't mean they don't read the manga.

 

[Byakusharinnegan]

But honestly, let's compare arsenals.

At that age, Konohamaru had:

Rasengan
Slightly above average taijutsu
Above average battle analytics
Above average speed
Sexy jutsu
Above average chakra
Shadow Clone Jutsu

His most impressive feat was taking down the Naraka path.

Sasuke had:
Katon: Goukakyo no Jutsu
Top ranked genin Taijutsu
Top ranked genin Ninjutsu
Above average Genjutsu
Above average speed
Genius battle analytics
Above average chakra.

His most impressive feat was nearly succeeding in retrieving a bell from Kakashi, who, I have to say, wasn't going all out in the slightest. He was forced to be more serious than with Naruto, however.

Regardless of not being the fastest path, Naraka was indeed a path with heightened abilities. The fact that Konohamaru was able to dodge most of his attacks and ultimately outsmart him was no minor task.

But...

Sasuke simply has a better arsenal at that point. I say Sasuke, mid diff.

 

[shelke]

@Exaar

I wasn't even talking about that. Kakashi threw Sasuke off him - an offensive move. Moved underground as he had no counter to Katon attack at such a short range and pulled him underground - offensive move. I don't know what you even mean by 'not forced' as he was forced to do so on both occasions. Not to mention his defensive moves. Nakara path is not even known for Taijutsu and is well-protected.

konohamaru taking it out is a laughable point, if I am to take the example of Fuma-Shuriken - Strings - Katon combination Sasuke used to build leverage over Orochimaru. Granted that was a Sasuke after this fight, but since Sasuke showed no particular advancement in speed, Taijutsu, and Ninjutsu, I don't even see the point here. Even Haku examples are valid as there is literally a gap of only few days between the bell test and that encounter.

@Byakusharinnegan

I am sorry, but was there any point in highlighting my post in such a manner, when this is a debate section and points are used from actual scans to make a point?