BSM Naruto vs Sasori, Deidara, Kisame, Kakuzu, Konan, Hidan, and Itachi

[Nagato The Sage]

Itachi and Kisame could solo

Good thing you didn't have Nagato here

 

[Haizaki]

Explosion only occurs if something of equal or greater force collides with it. When TBB hit the layered barrier it just stalled there

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, when Rashomon was put up TBB only was deflected. To make it detonate the GSB would need equal or greater force, but since it lacks 1/20th of the force the TBB goes right through it and some of the TBB gets absorbed. I agree that GSB can't absorb that much chakra in such a short amount of time but I don't think GSB fails vs Senjutsu.

Lol please don't tell me you're saying about 4 TBB's would hit each other but then not explode for some reason. Layered barrier doesn't even matter or I don't see why Hachibi didn't use another TBB to increase the breakthrough in that case? Probably because an explosion would obviously occur.

Rashomon that deflected it most likely did so because of the blades in the TBB

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. Say it wasn't the blade, how do that mean 4 TBB's colliding with each other won't explode?

You pretty much conceded with the bold...Plus he fact that from 20M, I don't see how Kisame is pulling out GSB against an instant TBB that can be fired at once with such traveling speed comparable to a Senjutsu enhanced Susanoo arrow

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just that in this case, the TBB has no prep unlike the arrow. Extremely unlikely. As for the Senjutsu bit, it obviously fails because it only absorbs chakra and like I showed earlier there's nothing suggesting it can handle natural energy contained in those BD's. Hence it should be affected by either crumbling or rendered ineffective.

 

[Apêx1]

Lol please don't tell me you're saying about 4 TBB's would hit each other but then not explode for some reason. Layered barrier doesn't even matter or I don't see why Hachibi didn't use another TBB to increase the breakthrough in that case? Probably because an explosion would obviously occur.

Rashomon that deflected it most likely did so because of the blades in the TBB

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. Say it wasn't the blade, how do that mean 4 TBB's colliding with each other won't explode?

You pretty much conceded with the bold...Plus he fact that from 20M, I don't see how Kisame is pulling out GSB against an instant TBB that can be fired at once with such traveling speed comparable to a Senjutsu enhanced Susanoo arrow

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just that in this case, the TBB has no prep unlike the arrow. Extremely unlikely. As for the Senjutsu bit, it obviously fails because it only absorbs chakra and like I showed earlier there's nothing suggesting it can handle natural energy contained in those BD's. Hence it should be affected by either crumbling or rendered ineffective.

The TBB's don't hit each other since they are fired at slightly different times. That's common sense. An explosion obviously occurs if a TBB hits a TBB, since as I said before an equal or greater force is required to force detonation. GSB is not an equal or greater force. Period.

Agree on Rashomon. But again, they can't collide with one another since they all travel at the same speed.

I didn't concede, if you learned to read I have already stated in this thread that I believe GSB cannot absorb the entire TBB before the TBB passes the other side. That is not to say a lot of it isn't absorbed. And lol, what? Senjutsu arrow had been fired while the TBB did not even release? How exactly did you come to the conclusion that they travel at the same speed when the TBB wasn't even fired?.. And lol, Naruto has to enter BM and then fire the TBB. Kisame has to spit out water and then he can form the GSB instantly it with a hand seal.
@bold Makes absolutely no sense for it to crumble since turning into stone only applies to living organisms last I checked. A water jutsu is obviously not going to turn into stone, that makes no sense, otherwise when Naruto @VOTE2 overloaded his TBB with Senjutsu chakra the TBB by your logic would've turned to stone.

 

[lndra]

Naruto wins, easily.

 

[Haizaki]

The TBB's don't hit each other since they are fired at slightly different times. That's common sense. An explosion obviously occurs if a TBB hits a TBB, since as I said before an equal or greater force is required to force detonation. GSB is not an equal or greater force. Period.

Since you can't absorb all at the same time hence a collision would definitely occur at a point because a slow down process would end up happening once the absorption of one starts.

Not to mention assuming you're correct, that backfires badly since Kisame holds the technique

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which means the same case that happened to Hirudora where it was freely moving would occur because like you said, he cannot absorb that much at a time. While it would still be traveling towards Kisame.

Agree on Rashomon. But again, they can't collide with one another since they all travel at the same speed.

Then Naruto uses another TBB or has his clone throw an FRS but this time to an immobile Kisame who has to stand in one point to hold up GSB.

I didn't concede, if you learned to read I have already stated in this thread that I believe GSB cannot absorb the entire TBB before the TBB passes the other side. That is not to say a lot of it isn't absorbed. And lol, what? Senjutsu arrow had been fired while the TBB did not even release? How exactly did you come to the conclusion that they travel at the same speed when the TBB wasn't even fired?.. And lol, Naruto has to enter BM and then fire the TBB. Kisame has to spit out water and then he can form the GSB instantly it with a hand seal.
@bold Makes absolutely no sense for it to crumble since turning into stone only applies to living organisms last I checked. A water jutsu is obviously not going to turn into stone, that makes no sense, otherwise when Naruto @VOTE2 overloaded his TBB with Senjutsu chakra the TBB by your logic would've turned to stone.

- I know how read and I for sure know that you don't know what you're talking about if you're admitting it cannot deal with such level of TBBs like you said earlier but then still arguing why it would be an important factor or even one in this matchup. Suggesting it cannot absorb that much at a short time is literally a concession because a collision could occur if a slow down process happens, you're agreeing that it cannot deal with such a level and we're talking more attacks that could be fired, you're agreeing that its useless for being brought up since Naruto can just counteract him immediately. However if you say it's not a concession, then sure thing :lol and I'll say my bad for thinking so.


- They were released at the same time...The lines around the TBB shows this, the circle around the arrow does too in case you try to argue otherwise.

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Obito opting to defend himself and in the next panel

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, the explosion takes place as he narrowly just completed his defense, if the arrow was faster then it would have hit Obito or it would have been shown firstly that it was blocked before the explosion took place.. Not sure why that would be happening so fast as soon as Obito defends himself because one would have landed before the explosion occurs. Not that this matter when people can clearly see it being fired. Not sure how one can look at his stance and conclude that


- I love how you ask me to learn to read or so but you clearly can't yourself :lol. The Matchup says BSM Naruto so I like how you're telling me he has to enter BM first while Kisame has to spit water then make it with a hand seal. Smh..You should definitely concede on this one you know.

- Turning into stone applies to living organism but I never said GSB would turn into stone. I said it would be rendered ineffective or crumble. Humans turn into stone because that's their type of reaction to it. However because these sorts cannot do so(According to what we're going by), that doesn't mean they'll get away with something that has been clearly stated in the bottom right

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. You're suggesting because it is non living, it can just naturally pass but where's your proof of this? None because Nature energy isn't easy to handle regardless of that.

-Senjutsu users use Senjutsu attacks. Plus Naruto has better control of this and is the one putting it into his one attacks which works differently. GSB on the other hand is just absorbing it of the TBB despite us knowing GSB uses the chakra to grow and become stronger and powerful. Now you're telling me the Senjutsu is for what? It would in turn use that to grow and become more powerful? It's not chakra. It would casually ignore or be rendered ineffective upon eating Natural energy it cannot control? Where's your evidence.

 

[Apêx1]

Since you can't absorb all at the same time hence a collision would definitely occur at a point because a slow down process would end up happening once the absorption of one starts.

Not to mention assuming you're correct, that backfires badly since Kisame holds the technique

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which means the same case that happened to Hirudora where it was freely moving would occur because like you said, he cannot absorb that much at a time. While it would still be traveling towards Kisame.

But none of them are being completely absorbed, the TBB's are merely being reduced immensely in size since lots of chakra gets absorbed. I'm not sure why a slow down process would occur in GSB though, based on what is this??

That's where Itachi comes in and protects Kisame from the weakish TBB. It's a 7v1, not 7x 1v1's.

Then Naruto uses another TBB or has his clone throw an FRS but this time to an immobile Kisame who has to stand in one point to hold up GSB.

I'm not debating this match-up, I'm arguing some of the things in your post.

- I know how read and I for sure know that you don't know what you're talking about if you're admitting it cannot deal with such level of TBBs like you said earlier but then still arguing why it would be an important factor or even one in this matchup. Suggesting it cannot absorb that much at a short time is literally a concession because a collision could occur if a slow down process happens, you're agreeing that it cannot deal with such a level and we're talking more attacks that could be fired, you're agreeing that its useless for being brought up since Naruto can just counteract him immediately. However if you say it's not a concession, then sure thing :lol and I'll say my bad for thinking so.

If you refer to my previous counters you will realise I never mentioned that, hence you don't know how to read. The ONLY time I mentioned absorption is after you mentioned it, I never claimed its significance was little or great. @bold Jesus.. First page before we even debated this I said

I only believe team 2 wins because of the 2 minute time limit Naruto's Avatar has. Her sure as hell isn't surviving Water Dome nor is he going to be effective inside it while Amaterasu can ignite him within it, Raiton can paralyse him, C3 kills them all inside the water, etc. I do agree that GSB wouldn't be fast enough to absorb Naruto's level of TBB's, but it would weaken it tremendously either way.

Read underlined and that's the end of it.

- They were released at the same time...The lines around the TBB shows this, the circle around the arrow does too in case you try to argue otherwise.

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Those lines are CLEARLY right around the TBB, and the other larger movement lines indicate the avatar itself moving. But I am clearly correct here.

Obito opting to defend himself and in the next panel

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, the explosion takes place as he narrowly just completed his defense, if the arrow was faster then it would have hit Obito or it would have been shown firstly that it was blocked before the explosion took place.. Not sure why that would be happening so fast as soon as Obito defends himself because one would have landed before the explosion occurs. Not that this matter when people can clearly see it being fired. Not sure how one can look at his stance and conclude that

The arrow doesn't explode. Rest is irrelevant since I proved TBB wasn't fired yet.

- I love how you ask me to learn to read or so but you clearly can't yourself :lol. The Matchup says BSM Naruto so I like how you're telling me he has to enter BM first while Kisame has to spit water then make it with a hand seal. Smh..You should definitely concede on this one you know.

Rofl. This is BSM Naruto [

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- Turning into stone applies to living organism but I never said GSB would turn into stone. I said it would be rendered ineffective or crumble. Humans turn into stone because that's their type of reaction to it. However because these sorts cannot do so(According to what we're going by), that doesn't mean they'll get away with something that has been clearly stated in the bottom right

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. You're suggesting because it is non living, it can just naturally pass but where's your proof of this? None because Nature energy isn't easy to handle regardless of that.

Crumbling implies it hardened into something, but that's baseless. Ineffective based on nothing as well. Chakra can be combined just fine with any amount of Senjutsu chakra. It doesn't require a balance like organisms do, which is how Naruto could put excess amount of NE into his jutsu. That's the end of it, nothing else is needed to debate since the only hard part about NE is balancing it, which GSB won't need to do.

-Senjutsu users use Senjutsu attacks. Plus Naruto has better control of this and is the one putting it into his one attacks which works differently. GSB on the other hand is just absorbing it of the TBB despite us knowing GSB uses the chakra to grow and become stronger and powerful. Now you're telling me the Senjutsu is for what? It would in turn use that to grow and become more powerful? It's not chakra. It would casually ignore or be rendered ineffective upon eating Natural energy it cannot control? Where's your evidence.

Addressed.

 

[Haizaki]

But none of them are being completely absorbed, the TBB's are merely being reduced immensely in size since lots of chakra gets absorbed. I'm not sure why a slow down process would occur in GSB though, based on what is this??

Does this assume the absorption process would be fast or what? Despite the chakra put into this BD from a Bijuu? Doesn't stop a collision from occurring and there's no way immensely would occur so fast before the BD's make contact with themselves ...When absorbing, a slow down happens

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. GSB has 0 feats that suggest it would absrob a TBB at once so yes a slow down process must happen and the TBBs would collide since it's gradual.

That's where Itachi comes in and protects Kisame from the weakish TBB. It's a 7v1, not 7x 1v1's.

Yes but this wasn't the main argument since you only just introduced Itachi...I'll take it as you conceded that particular argument. Plus this strategy is very unrealistic. Kisame is holding the GSB with the weakish TBB going through it already. There's literally no way Itachi can protect him when he's supposedly absorbed it and when you're suggesting the slow down won't happen. Especially when you said it won't absorb the TBBs in a short period meaning you're either stating a slow down must happen or the GSB would just absorb them quickly(Despite you stating "not in a short time"). You contradict yourself either way because if it doesn't absorb them quickly like you're stating and if a slow down process doesn't happen, Kisame has no other choice than to be hit since the TBB's would defintely move at their normal speed and Itachi won't do anything when Kisame is connected to GSB via holding it from the end.

Lol@ the bold..You just told me you're not debating this matchup but ok. When did I bring in Itachi(Even though he changes nothing)?

I'm not debating this match-up, I'm arguing some of the things in your post.

Lol Ok.

If you refer to my previous counters you will realise I never mentioned that, hence you don't know how to read. The ONLY time I mentioned absorption is after you mentioned it, I never claimed its significance was little or great. @bold Jesus.. First page before we even debated this I said

You did not convey your point properly. Refer to what you said in post #18

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or rather what you just quoted . You mentioned absorption earlier before I did in our argument and stated you it would not absorb them fast enough but just weaken it or so(Notice how you never said it would weaken it to a level where Kisame would survive hence you're not even specific with your point) and said you agreed after KidGamer who's basically stating the same thing. Read what he said and read your reply. Like I said if you're not conceding like I misinterpreted, then no problem.

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Those lines are CLEARLY right around the TBB, and the other larger movement lines indicate the avatar itself moving. But I am clearly correct here.

Christ...Look at the focus around this TBB showing that it has been released. The focus line. Look at his stance..I really can't deal with this argument suggesting otherwise because it is very clear.

The arrow doesn't explode. Rest is irrelevant since I proved TBB wasn't fired yet.

I'll say this to you again:

"Obito opting to defend himself and in the next panel

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, the explosion takes place as he narrowly just completed his defense, if the arrow was faster then it would have hit Obito or it would have been shown firstly that it was blocked before the explosion took place.. Not sure why that would be happening so fast as soon as Obito defends himself because one would have landed before the explosion occurred. Not that this matter when people can clearly see it being fired. Not sure how one can look at his stance and conclude that"

Now tell me why Obito would opt to just defend himself and in the next panel, we see an explosion occurring? That won't be happening considering the prep.

Not to mention this really backfires on you because that would mean a TBB is faster than the arrow when the TBB has no prep like the CTBB. Keep in mind that the Arrow was Senjutsu enhanced with the Kyuubi cloak. Keep in mind that you're saying that the TBB wasn't released yet. Still keep in mind that Obito is still putting up his defense and in the next panel we see an explosion quickly happening

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. Which means the TBB got there fast enough and it either did shortly after the arrow or at the same time with the arrow. Definitely the arrow didn't get there that much faster...Now let's remove the fact that both have Senjutsu enhancing them. We'll have a BD vs a Kyuubi cloak enhanced Susanoo arrow...Now let's remove that Kyuubi cloak from the arrow and it's just an ordinary Susano'o arrow(Like against Kakashi) which should be slower since it is not being enhanced vs a Bijuudama. So what exactly is your point? Unless you're suggesting the BD which was still being prepared moved that fast to Obito. You have no point except denying something clear.

Rofl. This is BSM Naruto [

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Learn to admit you're wrong and don't jump into something else. This was your initial statement:

"Naruto has to enter BM and then fire the TBB. Kisame has to spit out water and then he can form the GSB instantly it with a hand seal" I proved you wrong then you desperately go for this even though we know it makes 0 sense for Kisame to use a hand seal and then spit out water

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and then use another hand seal for GSB before Naruto unleashes the avatar which takes a very short time for him

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or here before the Jins could even land

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Not to mention there are other factors killing this:

1. Kisame would be using GSB as a reaction to the Bijuudama so I'm not sure why you're saying Kisame can use GSB before a TBB is used. Something Naruto can start the match with to wipe them all. TBB's prep is much more faster and if you're going to suggest Kisame uses GSB before the TBB(Which is impossible :lol) or before Naruto starts countering it with a TBB, then Naruto counters with a simple wave of his hand like this

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then fires his fast formed TBB.

2. His team mates won't be grated stability when he decides to spit the volume despite being close to him.

Crumbling implies it hardened into something, but that's baseless. Ineffective based on nothing as well. Chakra can be combined just fine with any amount of Senjutsu chakra. It doesn't require a balance like organisms do, which is how Naruto could put excess amount of NE into his jutsu. That's the end of it, nothing else is needed to debate since the only hard part about NE is balancing it, which GSB won't need to do.

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I'll wait for you to tell me what happens when he takes it in. When he takes in the new Sage Chakra and no Ordinary chakra which is supposed to make GSB grow and effective. I really wonder what happens, it's effect would pull through still? What evidence from a ridiculous amount contained in a BD? None and what evidence suggest it would absorb Senjutsu(Massive amount) and still be in effect? None. Non living organism isn't a point because in general, it's not easy to handle Senjutsu being absorbed.