BSM Naruto vs Sasori, Deidara, Kisame, Kakuzu, Konan, Hidan, and Itachi

[Haizaki]

I don't believe all TBB have Senjutsu am I wrong? And I'm talking about if a TBB was aimed directly at them GSB by canonically would eat the entirety. The stronger the jutsu, the stronger GSB becomes.

If used by a Senjutsu user, then it does bro...Like in the bottom right panel, he was told to add Senjutsu to his attack

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He can do so as long as he's in SM like he tried here

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and like he did here which destroyed the TSB since SM is required to get past it

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Yes but sometimes absorbing natural energy is a key problem(Bottom right)

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. Plus Naruto can fire CTBB like this

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. In the process of absorbing one, a collision would cause an explosion further killing them all and making GSB's absorption null.

Not going to argue for Yata Mirror Kaguya's will said it was invincible, so it is presumably, and no evidence disproves this atm fam.

Zetsu did say Itachi was invincible because he possessed both weapons with his Susano'o. I don't think that's enough for us to believe it is literally invincible. Obito said Pain was invincible too

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and even the same Kaguya's will said the same

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This are just hype statements because more shields have been introduced after that DB and what's worse is that's an outdated DB...For example Neji's Kaiten was said to deflect all things at a point and nothing has actually gone past that Kaiten when fully rotating..Not one still stick to that. The TSB contains all nature transformations like Yata (From what I recall) . These are things one has to factor in, what has Yata shown that would lead us to believe such? Paper bombs? Kishi still stated Pain was the strongest in the Akatsuki even though Itachi had this invisible hype to himself. Yata can't block every single thing..Especially when the TSB was portrayed to be above it.

 

[DrProof]

Except DB nor Manga said that. It gets stronger, as in larger, when it absorbs chakra. Never says that the amount it can handle is unlimited, so why would you try and argue that it absorbs a Bijuu Dama that dwarfs it in every conceivable way without fail? That's the equivalent of saying that it absorbs it solely because it can absorb chakra.

But if you never said he loses then there's no point arguing.

Because he's alive, and MS strains his body. Nor was he specified to be healthy here. So unless Itachi somehow has more stamina than Kurama's Jinchuuriki, he'd die without Naruto having to actually take him out. The rest are non factors. Akatsuki doesn't win.



2 minutes? Huh?

1. His first time limit was 5 minutes.

2. His second time limit as 8 minutes.

3. His final time limit is either far longer than 8 minutes as the Sasuke and Juubito fight took far longer than 8 minutes. We have the initial fight where it was just Sasuke and Naruto, then we have the time it took for them to extract the Juubi.

And he doesn't even need to use his Avatar the whole to handle this crew. Speed, strength, FRS and clones are all he needs to molest everyone on this team bar Itachi if we go with Yata Mirror being completely invincible. Then he simply waits Itachi out.

Become stronger does not correlate to become larger. You can be large, and weak. You can be small, and strong. Stronger relates to its power accumulated when devouring the chakra. Think about it, why would the technique absorb chakra? Just to become larger, and stay the same potency? No, that doesn't make sense. It absorbs chakra because along with becoming large, it becomes more potent, more powerful. It's chakra capacity would in turn becomes larger because what you said previous: "it becomes larger" haha.

No there is a reason to argue this; because I believe GSB can absorb TBB, while you do not.

 

[DrProof]

If used by a Senjutsu user, then it does bro...Like in the bottom right panel, he was told to add Senjutsu to his attack

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He can do so as long as he's in SM like he tried here

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and like he did here which destroyed the TSB since SM is required to get past it

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Yes but sometimes absorbing natural energy is a key problem(Bottom right)

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. Plus Naruto can fire CTBB like this

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. In the process of absorbing one, a collision would cause an explosion further killing them all and making GSB's absorption null.



Zetsu did say Itachi was invincible because he possessed both weapons with his Susano'o. I don't think that's enough for us to believe it is literally invincible. Obito said Pain was invincible too

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and even the same Kaguya's will said the same

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This are just hype statements because more shields have been introduced after that DB and what's worse is that's an outdated DB...For example Neji's Kaiten was said to deflect all things at a point and nothing has actually gone past that Kaiten when fully rotating..Not one still stick to that. The TSB contains all nature transformations like Yata (From what I recall) . These are things one has to factor in, what has Yata shown that would lead us to believe such? Paper bombs? Kishi still stated Pain was the strongest in the Akatsuki even though Itachi had this invisible hype to himself. Yata can't block every single thing..Especially when the TSB was portrayed to be above it.

Physically absorbing Senjutsu with Preta Path (transferring to the users body) has negative results no doubt. But absorbing such with GSB a technique that does not channel the chakra onto the host, but merely uses it directly for strengthening its properties? If anything Senjutsu would make GSB stronger upon absorption.

 

[Apêx1]

Except DB nor Manga said that. It gets stronger, as in larger, when it absorbs chakra. Never says that the amount it can handle is unlimited, so why would you try and argue that it absorbs a Bijuu Dama that dwarfs it in every conceivable way without fail? That's the equivalent of saying that it absorbs it solely because it can absorb chakra.

But if you never said he loses then there's no point arguing.

Because he's alive, and MS strains his body. Nor was he specified to be healthy here. So unless Itachi somehow has more stamina than Kurama's Jinchuuriki, he'd die without Naruto having to actually take him out. The rest are non factors. Akatsuki doesn't win.



2 minutes? Huh?

1. His first time limit was 5 minutes.

2. His second time limit as 8 minutes.

3. His final time limit is either far longer than 8 minutes as the Sasuke and Juubito fight took far longer than 8 minutes. We have the initial fight where it was just Sasuke and Naruto, then we have the time it took for them to extract the Juubi.

And he doesn't even need to use his Avatar the whole to handle this crew. Speed, strength, FRS and clones are all he needs to molest everyone on this team bar Itachi if we go with Yata Mirror being completely invincible. Then he simply waits Itachi out.

I suggest you read OP's stipulations. OP stipulated 2 minutes so that's how it is regardless of how long Naruto can actually keep it up in canon.

His speed is overrated barring Shunshin. His regular speed is really not that impressive based on what Obito did to him and his clones in the fight, whilst Gai in Base could fight Obito on par. The only time he's blitzing is with Shunshin, but that won't help here because none of them are dying to his Shunshin blitzes since he's only going to ever hit a clone, a defence or someone who can't be killed by said attack. Inb4 Shunshin blitzes the whole team when naruto's used Shunshin like 4 or 5 times in 200 chapters.

I have yet to see a Water Dome counter. Naruto's FRS is countered by the initial stages of Water Dome, being Great Water shockwave, which would shit on Naruto's footing in the same way Black Zetsu shat on Naruto's footing with his Mokuton. Water Dome is inevitable in this fight, so I suggest you argue how Naruto wins inside of Water Dome rather then outside of it.

 

[Lord Tywin]

The sword that crushes any defense>Yata

 

[Lord Tywin]

The moment Naruto goes BM the team is done except Itachi. One TBB wipes out the entirety of the team except Itachi. Then Naruto releases his avatar and waits for Itachi to run out of Chakra while holding Susanoo up. Then bring out the avatar to one shot Itachi

 

[Haizaki]

Physically absorbing Senjutsu with Preta Path (transferring to the users body) has negative results no doubt. But absorbing such with GSB a technique that does not channel the chakra onto the host, but merely uses it directly for strengthening its properties? If anything Senjutsu would make GSB stronger upon absorption.

No because GSB needs chakra to grow and not natural energy which also strengthens the user's jutsu. We know fully well that it's not easy to handle it so it definitely would not help GSB grow but alter the mechanics of the Jutsu since we know it is uneasy to handle such.

It is either it would crumble or rendered ineffective due to not being able to handle what it is taking in...We can't conclude it would make it stronger or it won't do anything because it has a purpose either way.

Plus the collision should fully well counter GSB.

 

[Apêx1]

No because GSB needs chakra to grow and not natural energy which also strengthens the user's jutsu. We know fully well that it's not easy to handle it so it definitely would not help GSB grow but alter the mechanics of the Jutsu since we know it is uneasy to handle such.

It is either it would crumble or rendered ineffective due to not being able to handle what it is taking in...We can't conclude it would make it stronger or it won't do anything because it has a purpose either way.

Plus the collision should fully well counter GSB.

TAC and FT made a good argument last time suggesting GSB regenerates, as shown when it clashed with Hirudora and then was later shown in perfect condition.

 

[KidGamer65]

Become stronger does not correlate to become larger. You can be large, and weak. You can be small, and strong. Stronger relates to its power accumulated when devouring the chakra. Think about it, why would the technique absorb chakra? Just to become larger, and stay the same potency? No, that doesn't make sense. It absorbs chakra because along with becoming large, it becomes more potent, more powerful. It's chakra capacity would in turn becomes larger because what you said previous: "it becomes larger" haha.

No there is a reason to argue this; because I believe GSB can absorb TBB, while you do not.

Uh, no. That's not a correlation. If something gets bigger, then it will get stronger. Smaller things being stronger than bigger things in some cases has no relation in a scenario where we are only looking at one jutsu. If a BD gets larger, it gets stronger. Same goes for GSB. It absorbs chakra and increases in size. Nothing more, nothing less. Not sure why you claim "it makes no sense for it to stay the same potency" when in the end it's getting stronger regardless of it's potency changing.

Not to mention potency of the attack would relate to it's offensive power, not it's ability toa bsorb chakra.

Except you have no evidence that it can, that's why there is no real reason to argue it.

I suggest you read OP's stipulations. OP stipulated 2 minutes so that's how it is regardless of how long Naruto can actually keep it up in canon.

His speed is overrated barring Shunshin. His regular speed is really not that impressive based on what Obito did to him and his clones in the fight, whilst Gai in Base could fight Obito on par. The only time he's blitzing is with Shunshin, but that won't help here because none of them are dying to his Shunshin blitzes since he's only going to ever hit a clone, a defence or someone who can't be killed by said attack. Inb4 Shunshin blitzes the whole team when naruto's used Shunshin like 4 or 5 times in 200 chapters.

I have yet to see a Water Dome counter. Naruto's FRS is countered by the initial stages of Water Dome, being Great Water shockwave, which would shit on Naruto's footing in the same way Black Zetsu shat on Naruto's footing with his Mokuton. Water Dome is inevitable in this fight, so I suggest you argue how Naruto wins inside of Water Dome rather then outside of it.

Yeah, I forgot. :lol.

-It being overrated is your opinion, one that is irrelevant to the match up as not one person here can react to his Shunshin.

-His regular speed not being impressive is also false, and your examples are terrible since you are using KCM Naruto, who is slower than BM Naruto, who is in turn slower than BSM Naruto. But yes, the only time he blitzes is with Shunshin.

-A clone of who? :lol. Even if that were the case for Kisame (who is the one who gets picked off with ease) Naruto has his own clones, so what he does doesn't even matter. A defense belonging to who? Cause Itachi is the only one who can survive a Bijuu Sage enhanced Rasen Shuriken head on due to Susanoo.

The last part wouldn't even come close to being a counter even I were to claim that he Shunshin blitzes the whole team. :lol I can already tell the route you are going down with this one. All I can say is.....don't.

Yes, Dai Bakusui Shoha would sweep Naruto off his feet, assuming it can do so before Naruto actually forms his Rasen Shuriken and throws it, which it can't. Not to mention Naruto jumping and then throwing it only increases the amount of time it'll take for the shockwave to reach him. But that's irrelevant since Naruto can counter the water dome regardless of whether he is inside or outside of it. (Asking why BSM Naruto can counter the Water Dome is a nonsense question in itself regardless)

-He uses mass clones and then escapes by swimming in every single direction.
-He fires a Bijuu Dama, atomizing Kisame and anyone else caught in the blast who's name isn't Itachi.
-If Kisame tries to counter with anything, Ma and Pa paralyze him with Kawazu Naki, but then again he can't make hand signs while in fused form anyway.

Please stop arguing Akatsuki's victory. They don't win. Not in this lifetime.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

I legitimately don't see why Kisame's unable to make hand signs, it's not like it was ever stated in the manga. He has webbed fingers, that's about it. Just a thin veil of flesh, so what's stopping him from just moving his fingers as he normally would, and letting the webbing rip?

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Ripping those apart won't fatally injure him, hamper is swimming speed, or even register on any archaic pain scale. Dude's nigh resistant to pain, and at the very least is a man and can suck it up.

OT: BSM Naruto should be fast enough to handle most if not all of the Akatsuki's attacks, with Sage Mode giving him some added durability for safe keeping. I legit don't see the Akatsuki winning this. Maybe if Nagato or Obito were added on. Maybe.

 

[Apêx1]

Uh, no. That's not a correlation. If something gets bigger, then it will get stronger. Smaller things being stronger than bigger things in some cases has no relation in a scenario where we are only looking at one jutsu. If a BD gets larger, it gets stronger. Same goes for GSB. It absorbs chakra and increases in size. Nothing more, nothing less. Not sure why you claim "it makes no sense for it to stay the same potency" when in the end it's getting stronger regardless of it's potency changing.

Not to mention potency of the attack would relate to it's offensive power, not it's ability toa bsorb chakra.

Except you have no evidence that it can, that's why there is no real reason to argue it.



Yeah, I forgot. :lol.

-It being overrated is your opinion, one that is irrelevant to the match up as not one person here can react to his Shunshin.

-His regular speed not being impressive is also false, and your examples are terrible since you are using KCM Naruto, who is slower than BM Naruto, who is in turn slower than BSM Naruto. But yes, the only time he blitzes is with Shunshin.

-A clone of who? :lol. Even if that were the case for Kisame (who is the one who gets picked off with ease) Naruto has his own clones, so what he does doesn't even matter. A defense belonging to who? Cause Itachi is the only one who can survive a Bijuu Sage enhanced Rasen Shuriken head on due to Susanoo.

The last part wouldn't even come close to being a counter even I were to claim that he Shunshin blitzes the whole team. :lol I can already tell the route you are going down with this one. All I can say is.....don't.

Yes, Dai Bakusui Shoha would sweep Naruto off his feet, assuming it can do so before Naruto actually forms his Rasen Shuriken and throws it, which it can't. Not to mention Naruto jumping and then throwing it only increases the amount of time it'll take for the shockwave to reach him. But that's irrelevant since Naruto can counter the water dome regardless of whether he is inside or outside of it. (Asking why BSM Naruto can counter the Water Dome is a nonsense question in itself regardless)

-He uses mass clones and then escapes by swimming in every single direction.
-He fires a Bijuu Dama, atomizing Kisame and anyone else caught in the blast who's name isn't Itachi.
-If Kisame tries to counter with anything, Ma and Pa paralyze him with Kawazu Naki, but then again he can't make hand signs while in fused form anyway.

Please stop arguing Akatsuki's victory. They don't win. Not in this lifetime.

I didn't think about the clone strategy countering WD lol, Naruto probably wins then.

 

[Haizaki]

TAC and FT made a good argument last time suggesting GSB regenerates, as shown when it clashed with Hirudora and then was later shown in perfect condition.

Not that...It's is taking in Senjutsu which it cannot handle. Pretty sure that doesn't have to do with this.

 

[BlacLord™]

Uh, no. That's not a correlation. If something gets bigger, then it will get stronger. Smaller things being stronger than bigger things in some cases has no relation in a scenario where we are only looking at one jutsu. If a BD gets larger, it gets stronger. Same goes for GSB. It absorbs chakra and increases in size. Nothing more, nothing less. Not sure why you claim "it makes no sense for it to stay the same potency" when in the end it's getting stronger regardless of it's potency changing.

Not to mention potency of the attack would relate to it's offensive power, not it's ability toa bsorb chakra.

Except you have no evidence that it can, that's why there is no real reason to argue it.



Yeah, I forgot. :lol.

-It being overrated is your opinion, one that is irrelevant to the match up as not one person here can react to his Shunshin.

-His regular speed not being impressive is also false, and your examples are terrible since you are using KCM Naruto, who is slower than BM Naruto, who is in turn slower than BSM Naruto. But yes, the only time he blitzes is with Shunshin.

-A clone of who? :lol. Even if that were the case for Kisame (who is the one who gets picked off with ease) Naruto has his own clones, so what he does doesn't even matter. A defense belonging to who? Cause Itachi is the only one who can survive a Bijuu Sage enhanced Rasen Shuriken head on due to Susanoo.

The last part wouldn't even come close to being a counter even I were to claim that he Shunshin blitzes the whole team. :lol I can already tell the route you are going down with this one. All I can say is.....don't.

Yes, Dai Bakusui Shoha would sweep Naruto off his feet, assuming it can do so before Naruto actually forms his Rasen Shuriken and throws it, which it can't. Not to mention Naruto jumping and then throwing it only increases the amount of time it'll take for the shockwave to reach him. But that's irrelevant since Naruto can counter the water dome regardless of whether he is inside or outside of it. (Asking why BSM Naruto can counter the Water Dome is a nonsense question in itself regardless)

-He uses mass clones and then escapes by swimming in every single direction.
-He fires a Bijuu Dama, atomizing Kisame and anyone else caught in the blast who's name isn't Itachi.
-If Kisame tries to counter with anything, Ma and Pa paralyze him with Kawazu Naki, but then again he can't make hand signs while in fused form anyway.

Please stop arguing Akatsuki's victory. They don't win. Not in this lifetime.

Bijūdama doesn't get stronger as it gets bigger, it just increases its AOE.

OT: Naruto high-diff.

 

[Apêx1]

Not that...It's is taking in Senjutsu which it cannot handle. Pretty sure that doesn't have to do with this.

I was only replying to the part where you said the collision would be enough. Not sure about all the Senjutsu stuff though, there's no reason for it to be incapable of handling the Senjutsu if it doesn't have to balance it into anything.

 

[Haizaki]

I was only replying to the part where you said the collision would be enough. Not sure about all the Senjutsu stuff though, there's no reason for it to be incapable of handling the Senjutsu if it doesn't have to balance it into anything.

Oh I see..Remember when AT exploded, GSB vanished? If the TBB's collide, an explosion would occur which would lead to the same result since GSB would have the take them each at a time.

 

[Apêx1]

Oh I see..Remember when AT exploded, GSB vanished? If the TBB's collide, an explosion would occur which would lead to the same result since GSB would have the take them each at a time.

Explosion only occurs if something of equal or greater force collides with it. When TBB hit the layered barrier it just stalled there

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, when Rashomon was put up TBB only was deflected. To make it detonate the GSB would need equal or greater force, but since it lacks 1/20th of the force the TBB goes right through it and some of the TBB gets absorbed. I agree that GSB can't absorb that much chakra in such a short amount of time but I don't think GSB fails vs Senjutsu.

 

[KidGamer65]

Bijūdama doesn't get stronger as it gets bigger, it just increases its AOE.

OT: Naruto high-diff.

Bruh, no. Bigger BD=More energy=Stronger explosion. It doesn't just increase it's AoE. If it did, then every Bijuu Dama would do the same amount of damage to a target and there'd be no reason to super charge BD in the first place.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

Naruto wins. He has much better speed, DC, and durability. Why did you remove Nagato and Obito.

 

[lanakui8]

none of these guys except for itachi and maybe kisame can beat a single KCM clone 1 vs 1 more than not. Naruto doesn't even need BM, KCM solos with clone spam and actually trying to kill living people.

 

[CalamityHeart]

BSM Naruto vs Sasori...

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BSM Naruto vs Sasori, Deidara, Kisame, Kakuzu, Konan, Hidan, and Itachi

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