BSM Naruto vs Minato

[BenjerminGaye]

Are you insisting that until Minato makes more than 1 clone then that's his limit?

Are you insisting here that Minatos clones can't use his other jutsu?

Hmm. Just curious, Interesting.

If he's insinuating that I'm not gonna reply to him.

 

[Minato namikaze123]

S1: Minato wins Med Diff

S2: Minato stomps

S3: Minato wins High Diff

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Now before we go on start bashing Minator mission let me make it clear why the outcome.

The set conditions actually favor Minato a lot! All Minato needs is a single touch, 1 touch and it's over like no tomorrow. If Naruto gets marked and he does easily in 1st two scenarios thanks to restriction on his Shadow Clones it's over. And not even talking about the Kunai to throat, Minato can simply undo the Hakke-no-Fuuin and Kurama get's extracted causing Naruto's immediate death

Just insert Naruto in this pic,

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Instead of contract seal, he'll undo the Hakke fuuin.

In the third scenario both have Shadow Clones and Kurama's power. Minato takes this despite Naruto possesing 100x more chakra.

I'll say this one more time, no matter how powerful Naruto gets Minato with his Hiraishin and "Sealing Techs" is Naruto's worst matchup U_U

^^^ pretty much this..!!

 

[Haizaki]

Are you insisting that until Minato makes more than 1 clone then that's his limit?

No he's insisting Minato clones aren't comparable to Naruto's in number and we're not going to give him feats of being able to create an enormous amount.

 

[Airbear]

No he's insisting Minato clones aren't comparable to Naruto's in number and we're not going to give him feats of being able to create an enormous amount.

Dang...
Ot: Nardo beats minatoad every scenario because minatoad has been surpassed by his 17 year old son.

 

[Haizaki]

Dang...

Lol???????

 

[BenjerminGaye]

No he's insisting Minato clones aren't comparable to Naruto's in number and we're not going to give him feats of being able to create an enormous amount.

Despite both having enough base chakra to above achieve perfect sage mode, and both having the same tailed beast in them. Lol I can't.

 

[Haizaki]

Despite both having enough base chakra to above achieve perfect sage mode, and both having the same tailed beast in them. Lol I can't.

Lol so? Despite having enough chakra to enter SM, this was Hashi's limit

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You guys don't know how clones work Lol...Gaara had more than enough chakra pool and yet was surprised that Naruto could pull off multiple clones that much

Hashirama and Tobirama(almost at full power) could create about 6 and 2 respectively even though they had more than enough chakra to perform other techniques(Mokujin no jutsu, Mokuryu no justu, Ftg and Suidanha) Meanwhile Kakashi who was very low on chakra the first time against Gato's used Multiple shadow clones. Unless you think Kakashi who was low on chakra at that point had more than enough chakra than these guys Lol.

Kiba can create clones? How many? There's a limit and it's not just about chakra...It takes skill and that's why Naruto learned to use multiple in the scroll of seals.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Lol so? Despite having enough chakra to enter SM, this was Hashi's limit

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1. Those are wood clones. Until stated otherwise they don't function or use up the same amount of chakra shadow clones do.
2. That's cuz he's holding up a Kage level barrier. A barrier so great Hiruzen couldn't even make clones while holding it up.
3. He also had the deity gates out.

You guys don't know how clones work Lol...Gaara had more than enough chakra pool and yet was surprised that Naruto could pull off multiple clones that much

Garra dosent have anywhere near the same amount naruto has, (inferior beast and inferior heritage) nor does he know the mechanics behind shadow clone jutsu, since he uses sand clones.

Hashirama and Tobirama(almost at full power) could create about 6 and 2 respectively even though they had more than enough chakra to perform other techniques(Mokujin no jutsu, Mokuryu no justu, Ftg and Suidanha)

again hashirama doesn't use shadow clones the amount of wood clones he can make holds 0 ground here, Tobirama didn't use any of the tech's you mentioned (bar ftg) when he had clones out, nor does he have reserves comparable to a perfect sage.

Meanwhile Kakashi who was very low on chakra the first time against Gato's used Multiple shadow clones. Unless you think Kakashi who was low on chakra at that point had more than enough chakra than these guys Lol.

Exactly my point. If an out of chakra kakashi can make 20+ shadow clones and random earth nin can make 20+ shadow clones then it just goes to show the mechanics of the technique. Splitting chakra evenly.

Kiba can create clones? How many?

As much as he pleases. Anyone who knows how the shadow clone technique works would know this. He only needed 1 for his 3 head dog tech.

There's a limit and it's not just about chakra...It takes skill and that's why Naruto learned to use multiple in the scroll of seals.

No there's not. Unless your saying part 1 academy naruto is more skilled than the creator Tobirama.

Seriously imma need Bogard to explain the basics of that technique to you.

 

[Haizaki]

1. Those are wood clones. Until stated otherwise they don't function or use up the same amount of chakra shadow clones do.
2. That's cuz he's holding up a Kage level barrier. A barrier so great Hiruzen couldn't even make clones while holding it up.
3. He also had the deity gates out.

Is that your attempt to downplay the wood clones?...Madara created how many?

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Multiple from what I recall...Going by them not using the same amount wouldn't help you.

Can't remember when Hiruzen attempted to use a clone and didn't..Scan? Hashirama while holding it had enough Chakra to use Deity gates yet after not being able to use more than that amount of clone

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There's a limit to clones. Not to mention he says "this is my limit in this barrier" meaning Naturally, there's a limit regardless of chakra.

What does deity gates have to do with this? He used it straight after yet again after he said he couldn't create more clones. Surely creating one more clone would be useful and requires less chakra than the gates

Garra dosent have anywhere near the same amount naruto has, (inferior beast and inferior heritage) nor does he know the mechanics behind shadow clone jutsu, since he uses sand clones.

This doesn't make any sense..The point is why would Gaara be surprised at such amount..Especially when Kakashi showed the ability to create multiple as well. He doesn't know the mechanics behind a clone? Stop right there. Not when they were surprised at seeing soo many..Knowing the mechanics is irrelevant when they saw him use clones against Kiba before that.

A jinchuuriki should have no problem with creating as much giving the enormous chakra of a tailed beast..whether an inferior beats or not.

Once again stop with this crappy logic of saying "He doesn't know the mechanics behind a clone" More than one sand clone can be created

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This mechanics thing is irrelevant.

again hashirama doesn't use shadow clones the amount of wood clones he can make holds 0 ground here, Tobirama didn't use any of the tech's you mentioned (bar ftg) when he had clones out, nor does he have reserves comparable to a perfect sage.

Multiple wood clones can be used....stop with this logic of not knowing the mechanics behind clones..Having reserves is different..Kisame, Nagato and some others have extremely high but can't use Sage Mode...Most likely higher than even Kabuto. Saying Tobirama doesn't have comparable to Minato because he is a Sage is speculation.

Exactly my point. If an out of chakra kakashi can make 20+ shadow clones and random earth nin can make 20+ shadow clones then it just goes to show the mechanics of the technique. Splitting chakra evenly.

The more reason why it shows it takes skill. Are we going to go by the fact that as long as you have the chakra, you can create multiple at the same time?..Kiba definitely had more chakra than Kakashi at that point when he was low but yet could only make 1.

Funny, because Kakashi was really low and then used it. Meanwhile Hashirama and Tobirama said they had a limit to it at that point but still used other techniques after that.

Lol random earth nin? Just stop right there..that's skill.

As much as he pleases. Anyone who knows how the shadow clone technique works would know this. He only needed 1 for his 3 head dog tech.

As much as he pleases? Lol... Shadow clones is something Naruto is skilled at using.

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Naruto mocks Kiba for just having 1 and says "Even from back then I could still"..Meaning he improved the number in which he could create as he grew ...Therefore it requires skill and not just chakra.

Kiba never indicated he could create more than one when Naruto says "Just one extra"..Further showing he can't really create more.

No there's not. Unless your saying part 1 academy naruto is more skilled than the creator Tobirama.

Lol the fact that you think there's no limit is just funny to me..Once again Tobirama while restricted could only create 2 at a time and Hashirama said "This is my limit in this barrier" Meaning Naturally, there's a limit to clones. Not to mention both had chakra to use other techniques..the chakra used for those should be more than enough to use 2 more at the very least...Tobirama like you said only used ftg and even though he had enough chakra, he couldn't create more than 2 in that barrier. Tobirama at that point shouldn't have been drained down far more than Kakashi was when he used multiple.

Seriously imma need Bogard/Minator (can't remember which one did it) to explain the basics of that technique to you.

Get them to explain to yourself first seeing as you think there's no limit Lol.

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

1. But not doing so cuts his already small arsenal.

The only ranged technique he has is FRS, and it's not really needed in this fight
2.

They both had high levels of chakra. . They both were they're when it spawned.

Naruto had the highest levels of

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as he was in a BM cloak while Minato was in a KCM cloak. The tree favored Naruto and only chased him. Not to mention that he wasn't in SM

3.In thus situation the only true advantage is durability and strength. Everything thing else is inferior to Minato's abilities. Yet when minato/sasuke was first using ftg/ rinnegan shift naruto couldn't react.

In both of those times, Naruto was focusing on the enemy. If Naruto has his sights on Minato, he'll be able to track his movements and when he teleports. Can Minato even damage Naruto? There's nothing that can actually put Naruto down for good in his arsenal.

4.Exactly. since rasengan dosent explode upon impact (but some time after) there's no reason why minato can't ftg it or himselfaway upon contact, heck if he has a clone out he can do revolving swap, marking the real naruto via his clone after naruto failed "well timed" rasengan.

Anticipating an attack is a different storyIf Minato was surprised by Naruto, he wouldn't just instantly FTG away. Minato has already been proven to be a derp under

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, and even Naruto's chakra arms reached him before he used FTG

6. No. Once naruto's chakra arms come into contact with minato's he gains the ability to ftg through them, as it's already been shown. Naruto or his clones using chakra arms would only lead to their downfall.

I said mark, not FTG. Using FTG on Naruto would do nothing unless Minato has a Volcano marked somewhere. No clones would be able to best him if Minato decides to teleport him to one. And like I said, Naruto's Senjutsu Chakra arms would wreck Minato's regular ones.

7.He still has it, therefore won't be in the dark, bm or bsm naruto isn't something minato (even in base) can't react to.

Lol

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[ARGUS]

But Naruto was constantly moving. Of course Ay is going to reach minato faster and be closer to him because minato was completely still. On the other hand Naruto was constantly moving at high speed, so of course it will look like Naruto reacted faster.

naruto moving doesnt change anything at all, since he uses his shunshiin,, whilst minato uses FTG (which isnt movement its teleportation)
KCM Naruto still reacted to V2 A before Minato did,
him moving is irrelevant since his reaction feats are still better

I don't see how you can even think to compare the reactions of someone whose back is turned away from their opponent and barely even trying. Compared to that of Naruto who was giving it his all to try and outspeed Ay. Minatos facial expression the second time says it all really. Did he look like someone who was even bothered at all?

i used the scenario where Minato had his head aimed right towards and even focused towards A, but his reaction to A was still slightly slower than KCM naruto,
Minato was calm since his FTG was much faster than A's speed, and he was capable of reacting to A's speed
thhe only difference is that naruto reacted to him slightly earlier and thats all that matters interms of reflexes
speed =/= reflexes

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Is that your attempt to downplay the wood clones?...Madara created how many?

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Multiple from what I recall...Going by them not using the same amount wouldn't help you.

Can't remember when Hiruzen attempted to use a clone and didn't..Scan? Hashirama while holding it had enough Chakra to use Deity gates yet after not being able to use more than that amount of clone

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There's a limit to clones. Not to mention he says "this is my limit in this barrier" meaning Naturally, there's a limit regardless of chakra.

What does deity gates have to do with this? He used it straight after yet again after he said he couldn't create more clones. Surely creating one more clone would be useful and requires less chakra than the gates



This doesn't make any sense..The point is why would Gaara be surprised at such amount..Especially when Kakashi showed the ability to create multiple as well. He doesn't know the mechanics behind a clone? Stop right there. Not when they were surprised at seeing soo many..Knowing the mechanics is irrelevant when they saw him use clones against Kiba before that.

A jinchuuriki should have no problem with creating as much giving the enormous chakra of a tailed beast..whether an inferior beats or not.

Once again stop with this crappy logic of saying "He doesn't know the mechanics behind a clone" More than one sand clone can be created

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This mechanics thing is irrelevant.




Multiple wood clones can be used....stop with this logic of not knowing the mechanics behind clones..Having reserves is different..Kisame, Nagato and some others have extremely high but can't use Sage Mode...Most likely higher than even Kabuto. Saying Tobirama doesn't have comparable to Minato because he is a Sage is speculation.



The more reason why it shows it takes skill. Are we going to go by the fact that as long as you have the chakra, you can create multiple at the same time?..Kiba definitely had more chakra than Kakashi at that point when he was low but yet could only make 1.

Funny, because Kakashi was really low and then used it. Meanwhile Hashirama and Tobirama said they had a limit to it at that point but still used other techniques after that.

Lol random earth nin? Just stop right there..that's skill.


As much as he pleases? Lol... Shadow clones is something Naruto is skilled at using.

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Naruto mocks Kiba for just having 1 and says "Even from back then I could still"..Meaning he improved the number in which he could create as he grew ...Therefore it requires skill and not just chakra.

Kiba never indicated he could create more than one when Naruto says "Just one extra"..Further showing he can't really create more.


Lol the fact that you think there's no limit is just funny to me..Once again Tobirama while restricted could only create 2 at a time and Hashirama said "This is my limit in this barrier" Meaning Naturally, there's a limit to clones. Not to mention both had chakra to use other techniques..the chakra used for those should be more than enough to use 2 more at the very least...Tobirama like you said only used ftg and even though he had enough chakra, he couldn't create more than 2 in that barrier. Tobirama at that point shouldn't have been drained down far more than Kakashi was when he used multiple.



Get them to explain to yourself first seeing as you think there's no limit Lol.

So you don't know how shadow clone technique works ..

 

[Haizaki]

So you don't know how shadow clone technique works ..

Uhmm no..you're giving no limits to each and every user despite them being different from Naruto.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

The only ranged technique he has is FRS, and it's not really needed in this fight
2.
Naruto had the highest levels of

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as he was in a BM cloak while Minato was in a KCM cloak. The tree favored Naruto and only chased him. Not to mention that he wasn't in SM

In both of those times, Naruto was focusing on the enemy. If Naruto has his sights on Minato, he'll be able to track his movements and when he teleports. Can Minato even damage Naruto? There's nothing that can actually put Naruto down for good in his arsenal.

Anticipating an attack is a different storyIf Minato was surprised by Naruto, he wouldn't just instantly FTG away. Minato has already been proven to be a derp under

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, and even Naruto's chakra arms reached him before he used FTG

I said mark, not FTG. Using FTG on Naruto would do nothing unless Minato has a Volcano marked somewhere. No clones would be able to best him if Minato decides to teleport him to one. And like I said, Naruto's Senjutsu Chakra arms would wreck Minato's regular ones.



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1. Rasengan isn't doing anything to minato though. . .sm or otherwise.
2.nope it went after all 3 jinchuuriki. Even bee was singled out.
3.No the first time naruto himself said he didn't know what's going on.
4.not really since it still hit him and he still jumping them. Minato didn't anticipate getting trapped by obito's chains yet jumped away. Rasengan no matter how "well timed" will be no different. Just like how he jumped madara's tsb's away before they even burned through his cloak. Minato can yank kurama outta his chest via his one handed sealing tech. Or repeatedly slam him with Odama rasengans. Unlike minato naruto can't ftg away b4 any real damage is done.
5.do nothing? Lol the arms come into contact, he jumps naruto to a Kunai in his pocket then tags him manually. If it's a clone he just rasengans it.

7.what is that scan proving? Its still minato's ftg that got them away.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Uhmm no..you're giving no limits to each and every user despite them being different from Naruto.

Shadow clone technique splits the users chakra evenly amongst the clones. Meaning the user can make however many he/she pleases. Because the chakra is split evenly making too many clones with poor reserves causes the user to run out quickly.

That's shadow clone technique's mechanic, and only risk. Wood clones don't split evenly, therefore bringing them up is pointless, same goes for sand clones, water clones (they use 10% of chakra and can't stray to far from the user according to Zabuza and kakashi) whatever.

If user makes 1000 the users chakra drops to 1/1001.

Tobirama said his limit was 2 since making any more would drop his chakra below what's necessary to maintain the barrier. With two clones out his chakra levels dropped to 33%.
Kakashi was able to create 20 despite having low chakra Because shadow clones technique would still split it evenly. Notice how how the clones he made only spoke? They didn't even move or use techniques. Why? Cuz he made clones on already low chakra levels. Hence why he's always only makes 1 at a time. It's pointless making more if they can't use techniques. But in naruto's case since his reserves are so big(4 times kakashi(who made 20 on E) even in part 1) so making 1000+ wouldn't matter. They're still able to use rasengan and taijutsu.

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

1. Rasengan isn't doing anything to minato though. . .sm or otherwise.

Senpou Rasengan will kill Minato. The KCM cloak doesn't grant durability, and if it does, it's a miniscule amount.

2.nope it went after all 3 jinchuuriki. Even bee was singled out.

In the scan posted earlier, it showed Minato yelling Naruto's name while chilling on the Shinju, but it doesn't matter because Naruto wasn't in SM making that argument invalid.

3.No the first time naruto himself said he didn't know what's going on.

Because he was focusing on the enemy?
If you are watching TV and through your peripheral vision you see a baseball come out of nowhere and break your wall, you're going to be confused.

4.not really since it still hit him and he still jumping them. Minato didn't anticipate getting trapped by obito's chains yet jumped away. Rasengan no matter how "well timed" will be no different. Just like how he jumped madara's tsb's away before they even burned through his cloak. Minato can yank kurama outta his chest via his one handed sealing tech. Or repeatedly slam him with Odama rasengans. Unlike minato naruto can't ftg away b4 any real damage is done.

Naruto was able to touch Minato literally right before he jumped, that says a lot.
Minato literally saw Obito's chains right in front of him and had all the time in the world to jump. A rasengan
from his blindside would be a different story. Naruto has a new seal that Minato doesn't have the key to, so yanking out Kurama isn't even an option. Naruto in SM is not going to be hit by an Oodama rasengan once, let alone multiple times, and with his heightened durability and advanced healing rate, it wouldn't even do too much to him.

5.do nothing? Lol the arms come into contact, he jumps naruto to a Kunai in his pocket then tags him manually. If it's a clone he just rasengans it.

Are you under the impression that Minato can just teleport to Naruto without consequences?
If Minato get's into close proximity with Naruto, he'll be manhandled by Naruto with relative ease.

7.what is that scan proving? Its still minato's ftg that got them away.

It proves that
A) Naruto's reaction rate is faster than his fathers
B) Naruto is a quick thinker
C) Minato is slow while under pressure

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Senpou Rasengan will kill Minato. The KCM cloak doesn't grant durability, and if it does, it's a miniscule amount.

In the scan posted earlier, it showed Minato yelling Naruto's name while chilling on the Shinju, but it doesn't matter because Naruto wasn't in SM making that argument invalid.
Because he was focusing on the enemy?
If you are watching TV and through your peripheral vision you see a baseball come out of nowhere and break your wall, you're going to be confused.

Naruto was able to touch Minato literally right before he jumped, that says a lot.
Minato literally saw Obito's chains right in front of him and had all the time in the world to jump. A rasengan
from his blindside would be a different story. Naruto has a new seal that Minato doesn't have the key to, so yanking out Kurama isn't even an option. Naruto in SM is not going to be hit by an Oodama rasengan once, let alone multiple times, and with his heightened durability and advanced healing rate, it wouldn't even do too much to him.


Are you under the impression that Minato can just teleport to Naruto without consequences?
If Minato get's into close proximity with Naruto, he'll be manhandled by Naruto with relative ease.


It proves that
A) Naruto's reaction rate is faster than his fathers
B) Naruto is a quick thinker
C) Minato is slow while under pressure

1.Kcm cloak tanked tenpachi... base sm rasengan isn't doing anything.
2.Naruto most definitely was using bsm b4 obito summoned the tree. BSM was the only way to damage obito.
3.Poor excuse. Sasuke reacted quite fine.
4.Minato only jumped because naruto touched him with his chakra arm. It would be pointless for minato to use ftg prior to that since it would leave naruto and sasuke behind.(the point was to save them) Minato tried using ftg to get to naruto and sasuke but couldn't since obito was no longer marked. So instead he attempted to Shunshin to them and then ftg away. Naruto meets him half way with a chakra arm and they all leave together. A) it's the same reverse tetagram seal.
B) if it changed (which it didn't) that means minato's changed as well, still resulting in the same seal.
C) he dosent need the key just a equal or superior sealing tech (according to chiyo) which he already desplayed when he removed yang kurama with one hand.
5.Given how nauto reacts every time he's teleported against his will yes. Minato teleports him ( which catches him by surprise as it does in cannon) then at the very least marks him.
7.Read. above.

 

[Gold Lightning]

naruto moving doesnt change anything at all, since he uses his shunshiin,, whilst minato uses FTG (which isnt movement its teleportation)
KCM Naruto still reacted to V2 A before Minato did,
him moving is irrelevant since his reaction feats are still better


i used the scenario where Minato had his head aimed right towards and even focused towards A, but his reaction to A was still slightly slower than KCM naruto,
Minato was calm since his FTG was much faster than A's speed, and he was capable of reacting to A's speed
thhe only difference is that naruto reacted to him slightly earlier and thats all that matters interms of reflexes
speed =/= reflexes

Of course it does matter. You're always going to reach something faster (that's not moving), than something that's mobile. Even if the idle thing is a bit further away that the moving object you're chasing, you'll still most likely reach the further idle object.

And what's hilarious is that you're making a huge deal out of no more than half an inch difference. That's all it was, the gap was so small, yet you're acting like Naruto reacted when Ay was 5 feet away. You again disregard the fact that minato wasn't even expecting it the first time, it was his first time seeing Ay ever, he had only heard rumours of his speed. It's no different than Naruto, at first he couldn't get past Ay because he knew nothing about him and was surprised at his speed. But then it later became easier for Naruto to react to him, it's exactly the same thing that happened to minato. Difference is that Ay never laid a finger on minato unlike that several blows he landed on Naruto, but you won't talk about that now will you -_-

Why don't you stop comparing two different scenarios. Naruto was prepared for Ay, while minato wasn't, Ay even told Naruto that he was coming, while minato had to be alert himself. Instead compare the 2 scenarios where they were prepared and look at the difference. The one with Minatos head turned is a better comparison, the gap that time is arguably bigger than Ay against Naruto. In this case, Ay was closer to Narutos face than he was to minato.

 

[Great Master Minato]

In Case Of BM Minato VS BSM Naruto I'll Take KG's Opinion...

Minato probably wins. Though it could go either way.

 

[Haizaki]

Shadow clone technique splits the users chakra evenly amongst the clones. Meaning the user can make however many he/she pleases. Because the chakra is split evenly making too many clones with poor reserves causes the user to run out quickly.

That's shadow clone technique's mechanic, and only risk. Wood clones don't split evenly, therefore bringing them up is pointless, same goes for sand clones, water clones (they use 10% of chakra and can't stray to far from the user according to Zabuza and kakashi) whatever.

If user makes 1000 the users chakra drops to 1/1001.

Tobirama said his limit was 2 since making any more would drop his chakra below what's necessary to maintain the barrier. With two clones out his chakra levels dropped to 33%.
Kakashi was able to create 20 despite having low chakra Because shadow clones technique would still split it evenly. Notice how how the clones he made only spoke? They didn't even move or use techniques. Why? Cuz he made clones on already low chakra levels. Hence why he's always only makes 1 at a time. It's pointless making more if they can't use techniques. But in naruto's case since his reserves are so big(4 times kakashi(who made 20 on E) even in part 1) so making 1000+ wouldn't matter. They're still able to use rasengan and taijutsu.

Once again you're facing the fact that one has the chakra for it which isn't necessary. It takes more than chakra as skill is involved. I've mentioned this over and over again..read my previous post where I explain it fully well. I'm not going to repeat it again.

I see you're trying to differentiate the clones and say because they have different mechanics, multiple can't be used or more so one can't understand shadow clones. This is irrelevant so I don't even know what to say...Multiple versions can be used for the ones we've seen so why bring up this irrelevant topic? It's moot in the sense that we've seen multiple wood clones, we've seen more than 2 can be used for each version.

@bold and how many did Minato create in that Barrier? Lol just 1. You seem to not understand that Hashirama created 6 and said it himself that it was his limit in that barrier but yet again still used chakra for the Deity gates after that. If you were correct, then the barrier would have dropped after the Deity gates but what I'm saying is that the chakra he used for the Deity gates was more taxing than creating just one more clone.

Go and reassess the Kakashi situation and understand that it's not just chakra. If he was low on chakra and still created that much, why should more than 2 be a problem for Tobirama despite holding up the barrier?

Read my previous post as you didn't which is obvious...Oh and I hope you weren't implying half of the user chakra would be used for clones since it's evenly?