BSM Naruto vs Minato
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BenjerminGaye
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Your point? Its like your not aware of how hax st techs are.
Ftg/kamui/rinnegan shift/ dimension shift all out weigh sm.
Increased durability doesn't matter since your getting hit by your own techs.
Even with sm naruto's reactions are still inferior to Minato's
Strength? yeah you got that.
Speed? Naw can't beat instant.
Ninjutsu is chucked back or dodged
What genjutsu does naruto have? Anyways neither frog song or frog call is stopping minato from using ftg.
Kumite? You got that, but I doubt Kumite is being used in Bm avatar.
Minato's a sensor. Not to mention kcm/Bm automatically gives passive danger sensing.
Considering how fast base minato is (which is multiplied by kcm/bm) he should have 0 problems spreading tags far and wide enough to insure they don't all get destroyed. Not to mention naruto has no legitimate way to find and destroy all of them, since he can't sense them.
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While minato is spreading tags, he gets nuked by naruto and all the tags in the general area are gone as well as minato. It doesnʻt even matter how fast he is, narutoʻs clones can be in multiple places at once and destroys the tags at a far greater rate than minato places them. Why canʻt naruto sense the tags with bijuusennin mode?
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Not that haxxed if the other guy knows exactly how it works
Kamui is the only one I'll accept
Rinnegan
shifting is countered by enhanced reaction rate, unless it's being used by a Demi-God like Sasuke
(Which Naruto could counter using RSM)
FTG is no way in hell better
Dimension Shifting is also the same technique used by a Goddess, you're basically comparing a Shuriken to a Bijuudama.
Lol, forgetting that Naruto knows about the S/T barrier?
Pix or it didn't happen
Funny how Naruto could blitz Kaguya while Sasuke couldn't do that to an injured version of her.
There have been multiple occasions where Minato has been caught off guard or couldn't react to an attack.
On the off chance that Naruto for some reason does decide to throw an FRS, which is highly unlikely due to him knowing of Minato's speed and S/T barrier, he could certainly dodge it and avoid the explosion. All Naruto needs to do is land a well timed Rasengan to end Minato
Avatars are restricted, Minato would get destroyed in a CQC plain and simple.
Sensing requires focus, which would leave Minato open, and KCM doesn't give him danger sensing, it provides him with the ability to sense bad intentions, which is not very useful at all.
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BenjerminGaye
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1. Knowing about the barrier doesn't really stop barriers use.
2. Minato getting away from God tree, naruto didn't.
3.Naruto has 9 different beats in him. You can't attribute that completely to sm. It's only been twice both juubi jins.
4.well timed rasengan? Didn't kcm minato tank a ama-frs? Lol anyways I don't see naruto not getting marked.
5.Not with chakra arms, which not only out range frog Kumite (by a long shot) but enables greater ftg usage. In close range Minato still has the advantage. But tbh I meant bm minato vs bsm naruto since that's what you said in the post I replied to.
It was pretty useful against rinne obito... anyways all attacks carry bad intentions, this isn't a friendly spar.
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Clones counter clones. If naruto takes it upon himself to drop tbb's a clone redirects it to one of the tags the real one is placing. If naruto sends clones to attack they get ftg'd via chakra arms to the original and promptly destroyed. Or do it the other way around. The real minato fights the real naruto while a fleet of clones spreads tags. Naruto's clones get delt with by the real minato or tagged and jumped by minato's clones.
Bm/kcm provides bad intentions sensing
SM provides chakra sensing
The seal's contain neither.
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Naruto isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, but he isn't stupid. He won't use ranged attacks knowing that Minatocan redirect them.
Scans? Last I checked, that was right after the Shinju fist spawned. Naruto wasn't aware that it was able to chase him, and he was also the only one being chased due to his high levels of Chakra.
All I'm saying is that having FTG doesn't really give that much of an advantage in speed when the other guy can catch you off guard and react to you.
Minato tanked it for about a second before he got switched with Juubito, added to the fact that it didn't een explode which is where the real power of the Rasengan/FRS comes from. If Minato tries to mark Naruto, Frog Kumite will take care of
him.
Naruto's Senjutsu enhanced Chakra arms would make short work of Minato's, and I'm pretty sure that he can't mark things using them
Not as useful as SM Sensing, as it hasn't shown to be anywhere near as accurate as it.
aand how many clones can minato use? 1?
rapidfire Tbb, tbbs not directly aimed at them, the fact that minatoʻs clone has never performed the S/T barrier, or rasenshuriken variant and detonate it bbefore minato tries to warp it away.
Once again, where does minatoʻs ability to create a fleet of clones come from? And how can they even deal with narutoʻs clones when narutoʻs clones have bijuu sennin mode/ksm clones? all narutoʻs clone has to do is let one bijuudama go off and all of minatoʻs clones as well as his tags in the area are gone.
Plus, if itʻs BM Minato vs BSM Naruto, and minatoʻs FTG tags are destroyed Naruto wins.
Bm/kcm provides bad intentions sensing
SM provides chakra sensing
The seal's contain neither.[/QUOTE]
Are you insisting that until Minato makes more than 1 clone then that's his limit?
Are you insisting here that Minatos clones can't use his other jutsu?
Hmm. Just curious, Interesting.
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Naruto and Ay were constantly clashing due to both of them using their shunshin, whilst minato was standing still because he was using FTG
and even in ur second case where minatos head was slightly turned, his reaction to V2 Ay was still slower than KCM Narutos
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But Naruto was constantly moving. Of course Ay is going to reach minato faster and be closer to him because minato was completely still. On the other hand Naruto was constantly moving at high speed, so of course it will look like Naruto reacted faster.
I don't see how you can even think to compare the reactions of someone whose back is turned away from their opponent and barely even trying. Compared to that of Naruto who was giving it his all to try and outspeed Ay. Minatos facial expression the second time says it all really. Did he look like someone who was even bothered at all?
Edo Madara showed comparable if not better reaction speed than BSM Naruto(without kurama avatar) and himself is slower than alive Madara who is slower than Tobirama himself slower than base Minato, so i'd say base Minato would win in the speed department. The chakra arms(with mini bijudama) can be evaded via dodging, shunshin or FTG. Not to mention he can still use clones for diversions or even boost his physical stats for a moment with SM(if allowed). A hiraishin+rasengan combo will rapidely arrive and with a marking on the body from that point in time, he would be like a dead meat
So i see scenario1 in Minato's favor. The second on final scenario will just be a decrease in terms of difficulty
So i see scenario1 in Minato's favor. The second on final scenario will just be a decrease in terms of difficulty
S1: Minato wins Med Diff
S2: Minato stomps
S3: Minato wins High Diff
Now before we go on start bashing Minator mission let me make it clear why the outcome.
The set conditions actually favor Minato a lot! All Minato needs is a single touch, 1 touch and it's over like no tomorrow. If Naruto gets marked and he does easily in 1st two scenarios thanks to restriction on his Shadow Clones it's over. And not even talking about the Kunai to throat, Minato can simply undo the Hakke-no-Fuuin and Kurama get's extracted causing Naruto's immediate death
Just insert Naruto in this pic,
Instead of contract seal, he'll undo the Hakke fuuin.
In the third scenario both have Shadow Clones and Kurama's power. Minato takes this despite Naruto possesing 100x more chakra.
I'll say this one more time, no matter how powerful Naruto gets Minato with his Hiraishin and "Sealing Techs" is Naruto's worst matchup U_U
S2: Minato stomps
S3: Minato wins High Diff
Now before we go on start bashing Minator mission let me make it clear why the outcome.
The set conditions actually favor Minato a lot! All Minato needs is a single touch, 1 touch and it's over like no tomorrow. If Naruto gets marked and he does easily in 1st two scenarios thanks to restriction on his Shadow Clones it's over. And not even talking about the Kunai to throat, Minato can simply undo the Hakke-no-Fuuin and Kurama get's extracted causing Naruto's immediate death
Just insert Naruto in this pic,
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Instead of contract seal, he'll undo the Hakke fuuin.
In the third scenario both have Shadow Clones and Kurama's power. Minato takes this despite Naruto possesing 100x more chakra.
I'll say this one more time, no matter how powerful Naruto gets Minato with his Hiraishin and "Sealing Techs" is Naruto's worst matchup U_U
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BenjerminGaye
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1. But not doing so cuts his already small arsenal.
2.They both had high levels of chakra. . They both were they're when it spawned.
3.In thus situation the only true advantage is durability and strength. Everything thing else is inferior to Minato's abilities. Yet when minato/sasuke was first using ftg/ rinnegan shift naruto couldn't react.
4.Exactly. since rasengan dosent explode upon impact (but some time after) there's no reason why minato can't ftg it or himself away upon contact, heck if he has a clone out he can do revolving swap, marking the real naruto via his clone after naruto failed "well timed" rasengan.
6. No. Once naruto's chakra arms come into contact with minato's he gains the ability to ftg through them, as it's already been shown. Naruto or his clones using chakra arms would only lead to their downfall.
7.He still has it, therefore won't be in the dark, bm or bsm naruto isn't something minato (even in base) can't react to.