BSM Naruto VS EMS Madara

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Nowhere near the databook says ''Senpou''. It said Odama and that is it. Same as tank.​

The databook doesn't call it senpou, yet the description explicitly states that it's created by using senjutsu, something we know naruto didn't use in his COR because he was in base. In addition to that, jiraiya's rasengan was far larger than that base COR that hit madara's ribcage. Therefore it doesn't get jiraiya's destruction hype.

The bold is irrelevant as Sasuke's Susanoo and Kurama's flesh do not compare to Madara's defensive feats. It tanked the Tenepanchii. [ ] It tanked Odama Rasengan and multiple attacks of Gokage.
What you just typed is irrelevant. The only way the bolded is true is if you show that Sasuke's susanoo would have taken more damage than madara's susanoo if they both used one of the same level and size. None of madara's susanoo durability feats put it above Sasuke's if both susanoos are of the same level. Tanking tenpenchi isn't impressive at all as that attack barely even damaged the fodder alliance members when protected by a V1 chakra shroud. Madara's susanoo didn't tank oodama rasengan as explained, and Sasuke's susanoo tanked multiple attacks from the gokage members as well. He tanked attacks from Mei, Ei, and Gaara. So until you show some kind of evidence for madara's susanoo being significantly more durable than sasuke's at the same level, Madara's susanoo gets destroyed just as easily.

Not only that, but how in the world is FRS doing more damage than an army of SM Chou oodama rasengans irrelevant? If Madara's ribcage gets shredded by a base COR, obviously a sennin mode version is going to do much more, and a FRS is going fodderize it.



Irrelevant. I rely on feats and they say Susanoo bitchslaps Naruto's little clones.
You've literally given zero arguments for how that is true, while ignoring my own that show how madara couldn't even kill a single kage with 5 of his susanoos while a single KCM clone from naruto took out people like muu and sandaime raikage. You've given no argument as to how madara's susanoo clone would even be able to tag KCM Naruto, no arguments about how much damage madara's susanoo clone would take from a FRS, or that a susanoo clone would be able to pop a KCM clone with a slap. Thus until you bring up evidence to support your assertions, your arguments are worthless and thus you'd concede that KCM clones > Susanoo clones.

He absorbed after the gunbai took the hit.
The bijuudama didn't even explode, so any 'hit' the gunbai took has absolutely nothing to do with taking the power of a bijuurasengan.

It's irrelevant only because you think it is. To feats, it's not and feats showed Madara low diffs Naruto in Taijutsu. I am going to need a manga statement that Hashirama's cells made Madara better Taijutsu. The opponents Naruto went up against, first - he needed assistance. Second - He is facing Madara.​
So you've basically said 'my argument is wrong' without giving any reason, then went on to compare how madara faired against SM Naruto, and said 'naruto needs assistance when going up against opponents' both having absolutely nothing to do with how Madara fairs against BSM NAruto in taijutsu since SM Naruto =/= BSM Naruto, and 'needing assistance' means jack without analyzing why he needed assistance, what powers naruto was using and who he needed assistance against. So nope, Madara doesn't dominate BSM Naruto in taijutsu, he gets picked apart.


Like he did against Obito? Lel, not to mention Madara can manifest his own Chakra arm. [ ]​
Once again, you're comparing KCM Naruto to BSM Naruto which is completely disingenuous. Sure madara can manifest his own chakra arm, but then it's no longer a taijutsu battle.


Irrelevant. The example is to show why cutting attacks can do something blasts can't. It's horns were even cut by Ay. Are you blind? The blood can be seen at his tails. It hit him everywhere.​
I didn't say the blast didn't hit his tails, I said the blast didn't hit his tails DIRECTLY which is why they don't get blown up. Sure its horns were cut by Ei, his horns are far less durable as the body as well considering the hachibi's face is completely intact and barely bleeding yet his horns are vaporized.

You've also straight up ignored Kakashi doing jack squat to the bijuu's body shroud when he shoves a raikiri into it, and since you've ignored that then you've conceded the implication of that point: that the bijuu's bodies are far more durable then the extendable chakra limbs.

So once again, nope, your examples are of a cutting attack hitting a far less durable part of a bijuu while the exploding attack hits bee right in his chest.


Irrelevant again. As I said, the example is to show why cutting attacks can penetrate a durability that blasts fail to do. The bold applies only in Chakra. Their raw power and overall skills have proven to be equal. We have Orochimaru who took hits from Tsunade's destructive punches, yet his wrist was pierced by Chidori. Get the point right now?​
Yet once again, your example doesn't prove your point as you have a cutting attack used on a far weaker part of the bijuu while the exploding attack explodes far away from the bijuu.
The bolded absolutely does not apply to chakra, the hachibi was taken out by its own bijuudama and impaled by the gobi's horn. Kurama has taken SM FRS and SM COR barrage to the chest and doesn't even bleed. Not only that but the kyuubi's chakra was explicitly stated to be extremely powerful/potent even when compared to the other tailed beasts, so obviously a V2 shroud using kurama's chakra would be more powerful than one that doesn't use its chakra.

Tsunade's punches weren't even that powerful in part 1, in the war arc her punches are so powerful that she thinks she blasted madara into pieces with a strike to the chest. Not only that, but orochimaru took more damage from tsunade's punch to the face than he did from sasuke's chidori eiso stab to the hand, so at the end of the day, the power of the technique = damage it does.


But rather, it deals with cutting attacks. So, wrong.​
You've literally given no argument or reason for what you've just stated, so nope. If FRS damaged kurama so much because it was a cutting attack rather than being straight up more powerful than a SM COR barrage, then you should be able to show me why that is so. What feats of SM COR put it on the same level as a FRS?


Blast attack, nuclear attack and energy kinetic attack all deal with same principle. Cutting attacks don't.​

That's literally just an assertion with no evidence behind it. The laser isn't an energy kinetic attack, it's a piercing attack which is why unlike every other bijuudamam or even laser we've seen in the manga, it doesn't explode when it hits naruto's avatar.

As the examples I posted above, PS slashes Bijuu mode like a banana.
Again, you've given zero, literally ZERO reason to believe that is so. You've given no evidence of the Bijuu mode going up against a cutting attack and zero evidence for why a PS slash would be a strong enough cutting attack to get through the avatar.

PS slashes only cut mountains. The juubi's laser goes through entire mountain ranges. Any way you look at it, the juubi's laser has far more penetrating power than a PS slash, yet it doesn't get through naruto's tails.

The bold is a wank, fanboying and trash that will be ignored.
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That would be you conceding the bolded. When you have to ignore the other person's argument then it pretty much means that you are incapable of coming up with a logical response. So, i accept your concession that a PS slash is only as powerful as a bijuudama and thus BM Naruto can take them.

Thus, BSM Naruto blocks Madara's slashes and ends him with a super senpou bijuudama.
 
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Eirther way high dif.
 

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Bsm naruto for sure... Only thing madaras ps has over his kurama avatar is size... Naruto beats him in speed\mobility, destructive capacity etc. to the people who are saying madara wins, how does he take down Kuramas bsm avatar if his bm avatar tanked a juubi lazer
 

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BSM Naruto med - high diff

I assume Madara doesn't have Kurama on his side, would be stupid for both sides to be using Kurama anyway. Madara needed to obtain the strongest Tailed beast to even compete with Hashirama, yet he still lost. When Madara was restraining Naruto and Bee, he was using Hashirama's wood dragon to do so, not his own abilities.

And there seems to be a bit of a misconception on this base, actually 2. One of which is that people think PS is stronger than Bijuu Mode/tailed beast, obviously this is false. PS is only comparable/rivals a Bijuu and in no way surpasses a bijuu's power. The other misconception is that people think 50% Kurama isn't as strong as the original. When in fact, a perfect Jinchuuriki is more powerful than multiple tailed beasts at once. Naruto fought 5 of them at once and matched a combined tailed beast bomb (of 5 tailed beasts) with just his own. Now add sage mode to Narutos abilities, giving him increased power, speed, perception and strength.. Well sorry but he surpasses EMS Madara.

Edo Madara on the other hand is a different story, even without Hashirama's powers, Madara's Rinnegan abilities are enough to take down or at least rival BSM Naruto.
 

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Madara wins with mid to high diff (leaning toward high diff).
 
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