BSM Naruto VS EMS Madara

[ForbiddenUzumaki]

Madara high diff, PS is too much.

 

[Tylerrg]

The only reason madara beat the nine bijuu was because of the rinnegan. The only thing he did against them was use rinbo and seal them with the mazou, which he can't do without the rinnegan. I think bsm naruto wins high difficulty I think madaras ps can only handle so many bijuu damas

 

[Unorthodox]

Madara wins

 

[Young Vongola]

If Madara can use stabilized PS he takes it. If not, Naruto may stand a chance.

 

[A$AP Wap]

If Madara can use stabilized PS he takes it. If not, Naruto may stand a chance.

Are you talking about EMS Madara? The one who coated the Kyuubi with his Perfect Susano'o armor?[SUB]

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[Styles]

Madara wins he was beating BM Naruto with only wood dragon and i don't believe he used Rinnegan or EMS in that fight, if he was serious i say he would have won.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

If Madara has the 9 tails, he might win. Otherwise, Naruto wins for sure.

 

[lanakui8]

Without 100% Kurama, how exactly does Madara's PS deal with

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powered up by sennin mode?
Or how does it deal with a

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powered up by sennin mode,

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can fire off

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Without 100% Kurama, how exactly does Madara's PS deal enough damage against a BM avatar that can block

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without the massive durability boost of sennin mode, and can be easily reformed?

Seriously how does Madara win this without 100% Kurama's power? Other than sheer size, he's beat in every other aspect.

 

[Mad Daz]

BM Naruto would win high difficulty imo. Sage infused TBBs would be on par with shinsuushinju, not to mention madara wouldnt have Kurama.

The reason i say high diff is because madaras PS slashes are pretty intense, and could also end things with repeated hits. However i feel BSM wins more times than not.

 

[BloodSeed]

naruto destroys him negative diffculty, ems madara no senju dna is a fodder

 

[AlphaMaleLion]

If Madara is fighting serious he can take him out low diff, if he's playing around mid diff

 

[AlphaMaleLion]

naruto destroys him negative diffculty, ems madara no senju dna is a fodder

Trolllllllllllll, EMS Madara and Hashirama where still the strongest Shinobi ever until Rikudou power ups

 

[lanakui8]

Trolllllllllllll, EMS Madara and Hashirama where still the strongest Shinobi ever until Rikudou power ups

EMS MAdara w/ 100% Kurama and Hashirama were still the strongest shinobi ever until the rikudou powerups. Without 100% Kurama, EMS MAdara gets stomped by shinsuusenjuu. Hashi might not even have to use sennin mode to win.

The Madara that fought hashi as an edo was rinnegan madara w/ unlimited chakra, regeneration, senjuu enhanced body, and the ability to use all of hashirama's base mokutons. That madara >> EMS Madara w/o Kurama.

If you say 'well Madara only used PS and EMS MAdara can use PS', then i'll say 'hashirama never used shinsuusenjuu', and thus either both were holding back, or Hashirama would have stomped that madara with shinsuusenjuu.

So there's absolutely no hype argument that says EMS Madara w/o kurama > BSM Naruto. And we all know that by feats BSM Naruto would handily win.

 

[Kagustuchi]

Naruto wins on the lower end of Mid diff.​

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[Bronze]

EMS Madara mid difficulty. As shown in the latest chapter, he is capable of creating a Kage Bunshin and considering the supplies of Chakra he possess,

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and keep up with Hashirama's reserves, he will have no trouble creating multiple Bunshin with

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. He outclasses Naruto in Taijutsu and Ninjutsu. Sharingan is capable giving the user a reading movements and grants predictions for next attacks. Especially, with Choku Tomoe. [

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Not to mention, he wields the gunbai, capable of repelling and withstanding Naruto's mini-TBB. [

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] Madara's Perfect Susanoo overwhelms Naruto's Bijuu mode in every way. The slash is so fast and powerful, it can cut multiple mountains in one-shot. [

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] Madara overwehelms Naruto in every possible way.​

 

[lanakui8]

When you make an argument about a matchup, you have to compare how the abilities of both shinobi stack up against each other. You can't just list the stuff madara has, and say 'madara wins X difficulty'. Sure madara might have that stuff, but what if naruto has BETTER stuff? Or stuff that can overcome what madara can dish out. That's how you analyze a versus match.

EMS Madara mid difficulty. As shown in the latest chapter, he is capable of creating a Kage Bunshin and considering the supplies of Chakra he possess,

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and keep up with Hashirama's reserves, he will have no trouble creating multiple Bunshin with

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Don't see what good that will do, KCM clones would wreck the clones that fought the gokage, or naruto could simply nuke all of madara's clones with a SM COFRS or TBB.

He outclasses Naruto in Taijutsu and Ninjutsu. Sharingan is capable giving the user a reading movements and grants predictions for next attacks. Especially, with Choku Tomoe. [

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BSM NAruto has the

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Madara was talking about. Madara absolutely does not outclass naruto in the reactions department.
I don't understand where you are getting madara outclassing Naruto in taijutsu either. This isn't a BM clone, this is BSM Naruto who has BM Naruto's power stacked with the super strength, durability, and invisible punches of sennin mode. Madara would get wrecked in taijutsu.

Not to mention, he wields the gunbai, capable of repelling and withstanding Naruto's mini-TBB. [

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so what? The gunbai doesn't even come into play when Madara has PS.

Madara's Perfect Susanoo overwhelms Naruto's Bijuu mode in every way. The slash is so fast and powerful, it can cut multiple mountains in one-shot. Madara overwehelms Naruto in every possible way.[/indent][/FONT]

Madara's slash is only comparable to the power of a Tailed beast bomb.
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That laser was so powerful it overpowered 9 mountain vaporizers without even losing strength.

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BSM Naruto on the otherhand can use bijuudamas more powerful than

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, which created that gigantic crater that PS and mokujin are in

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Not only that, but Naruto can also use clones in his avatar and have them fire off powerful things like SM COFRS or FRS.

So we have naruto being able to block far more powerful attacks than what PS can dish and we have naruto being able to output far more powerful attacks than what PS can take. BSM Naruto should decisively win this.

 

[Bronze]

Don't see what good that will do, KCM clones would wreck the clones that fought the gokage, or naruto could simply nuke all of madara's clones with a SM COFRS or TBB.

Be more reasonable with your argument. KCM clones have no chance in hell. The Bunshin maintain the same power EMS Sasuke had. Susanoo's defence is capable of tanking what they throw, considering a ribcage tanked Odama Rasengan (said to hallow a mountain). [

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] Giant Futon Rasenshuriken takes prep time, which can be intercepted. [

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] Mini-TBB was tanked by gunabai alone. Naruto's clones will be babyshaked with Susanoo's Bunshin. [

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BSM NAruto has the same reactions as the EMS Madara was talking about. Madara absolutely does not outclass naruto in the reactions department.
I don't understand where you are getting madara outclassing Naruto in taijutsu either. This isn't a BM clone, this is BSM Naruto who has BM Naruto's power stacked with the super strength, durability, and invisible punches of sennin mode. Madara would get wrecked in taijutsu.

Madara overwhelmed Naruto with a blitz. [

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] That Naruto was at Sennin mode state at the time. He couldn't even compete with Obito in CQC. [

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] Madara with his vast experience, Choku Tomoe Mangekyou Sharingan, and gunbai's defence will make him the superior.​

so what? The gunbai doesn't even come into play when Madara has PS.

When Naruto tries to go in hand to hand, gunbai will come handy.​

Madara's slash is only comparable to the power of a Tailed beast bomb.
Naruto has blocked attacks with BM that make Madara's PS slashes look like a joke. That laser was so powerful it overpowered 9 mountain vaporizers without even losing strength. The same laser vaporized an entire mountain range, and we didn't even see the full extent of its destruction on that panel.
BSM Naruto on the otherhand can use bijuudamas more powerful than this one, which created that gigantic crater that PS and mokujin are in here. Not only that, but Naruto can also use clones in his avatar and have them fire off powerful things like SM COFRS or FRS.

So we have naruto being able to block far more powerful attacks than what PS can dish and we have naruto being able to output far more powerful attacks than what PS can take. BSM Naruto should decisively win this.

Fallacious argument; nuclear attacks doesn't function the principles of a cutting attacks. For example:

• Hachibi's tails were cut off by
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  . However, it tanked it's own Bijuu Dama. [
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• Bijuu cloaks can be cutted by
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  . However, it can survive a TBB. [
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• Kyuubi tanked Odama Rasengan, but it had limitless number of scratches over it when it took Futon Rasenshuriken. [
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In other words, cutting attacks do no operate like nuclear attacks would. In this case, Perfect Susanoo would tear Bijuu cloak apart with it's highly slashes. [

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] Even if Naruto tanks it (WHICH HE WON'T), Madara simply throws multiple numbers of katana. [

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[lanakui8]

Be more reasonable with your argument. KCM clones have no chance in hell. The Bunshin maintain the same power EMS Sasuke had. Susanoo's defence is capable of tanking what they throw, considering a ribcage tanked Odama Rasengan (said to hallow a mountain). [

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] Giant Futon Rasenshuriken takes prep time, which can be intercepted. [

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] Mini-TBB was tanked by gunabai alone. Naruto's clones will be babyshaked with Susanoo's Bunshin. [

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Senpou Chou oodama rasengan is the one that can hollow out a mountain, naruto hit madara's ribcage with a base rasengan, and Ribcage didn't tank oodama rasengan, madara saw the rasengan grinding his susanoo and disrupted it before it could end him. FRS did more damage to kurama than

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. FRS destroys those susanoos.

Naruto's clones slaughter those susanoo clones, madara's clones couldn't even kill any of the gokage when it was 5 vs 1 while naruto's clone beat muu and saindaime raikage.

Madara's gunbai didn't tank a mini BB, it absorbed it and sent the attack back at naruto, and madara only has one gunbai, whom the original would be using.

Madara overwhelmed Naruto with a blitz. [

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] That Naruto was at Sennin mode state at the time. He couldn't even compete with Obito in CQC. [

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] Madara with his vast experience, Choku Tomoe Mangekyou Sharingan, and gunbai's defence will make him the superior.​

Since none of those instances are of Bijuusage mode Naruto, then what you've just typed is completely irrelevant to the naruto in this thread. Plus, that was madara w/ hashirama's chakra who's much more powerful than madara w/o hashirama's chakra. Vast experience means nothing, naruto has always gone up against opponents who have far more experience than he does.

When Naruto tries to go in hand to hand, gunbai will come handy.​

Why? Naruto knows what it does, he grabs it with a chakra arm and bashes madara's face in.

Fallacious argument; nuclear attacks doesn't function the principles of a cutting attacks. For example:

• Hachibi's tails were cut off by
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  . However, it tanked it's own Bijuu Dama. [
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  tails are the weakest part of a bijuu, the hachibi's body was hit directly by its own bijuudama, the tails weren't. We don't even see how much damage the hachibi's chest took from the bijuudama, but we know that Bee took far more damage from the bijuudama than any cutting attack he was hit with as he wasn't even able to move after getting hit, was heavily injured and couldn't continue to fight.
  
  
  

  [*]Bijuu cloaks can be cutted by

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  bijuu-cloak extended arms are far less durable than the cloak around the actual body as we saw
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  KN6 naruto wasn't anywhere near the center of that bijuudama considering Deva survived it, yet was taken out by a base rasengan.
  ANd the kyuubi >> the other bijuu.
  
  
  

  [*]Kyuubi tanked Odama Rasengan, but it had limitless number of scratches over it when it took Futon Rasenshuriken. [

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That's because FRS is literally much stronger than SM COR barrage

In other words, cutting attacks do no operate like nuclear attacks would. In this case, Perfect Susanoo would tear Bijuu cloak apart with it's highly slashes. [

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] Even if Naruto tanks it (WHICH HE WON'T), Madara simply throws multiple numbers of katana. [

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The juubi's laser isn't a nuclear attack, it's a penetrating laser, which is why it doesn't explode when it hits BM Naruto's chakra cloak. Yet despite being a penetrating attack and far more powerful than a bijuudama or PS slash, it only destroyed six of naruto's 9 tails. And that's BM Naruto not BSM Naruto.

Next you've given absolutely no positive argument for why a susanoo slash would do that to BM NAruto's avatar let alone BSM. All you've argued is that nuke =/= slash or cutting attack, yet you haven't shown that BM Naruto is weaker against these slashing attacks versus a nuke. And then from there you just assume that the slash does that to Naruto.

Finally, Madara explicitly stated that the bijuu could match the power of his PS, which means the slashes are only as powerful as a normal TBB. Sure attacks of same power can have different effects. For instance chidori can punch a hole in a person while rasengan messes up their insides, however in the end both attacks pretty much do the same amount of damage to the target. And thus Naruto isn't going to take more damage from a PS slash than he does from a TBB.

I'm guessing that since you didn't respond to the other parts of my arguments like how naruto would blow PS up with a bijuudama, you agree that naruto would do that.

 

[Bronze]

Senpou Chou oodama rasengan is the one that can hollow out a mountain, naruto hit madara's ribcage with a base rasengan, and Ribcage didn't tank oodama rasengan, madara saw the rasengan grinding his susanoo and disrupted it before it could end him. FRS did more damage to kurama than this attack and Sasuke's V3 susanoo was blown open by a far weaker fuuton than FRS. FRS destroys those susanoos.

Naruto's clones slaughter those susanoo clones, madara's clones couldn't even kill any of the gokage when it was 5 vs 1 while naruto's clone beat muu and saindaime raikage.

Madara's gunbai didn't tank a mini BB, it absorbed it and sent the attack back at naruto, and madara only has one gunbai, whom the original would be using.

Nowhere near the databook says ''Senpou''. It said Odama and that is it. Same as tank. The bold is irrelevant as Sasuke's Susanoo and Kurama's flesh do not compare to Madara's defensive feats. It tanked the Tenepanchii. [

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] It tanked Odama Rasengan and multiple attacks of Gokage.

Irrelevant. I rely on feats and they say Susanoo bitchslaps Naruto's little clones.

He absorbed after the gunbai took the hit.​

Since none of those instances are of Bijuusage mode Naruto, then what you've just typed is completely irrelevant to the naruto in this thread. Plus, that was madara w/ hashirama's chakra who's much more powerful than madara w/o hashirama's chakra. Vast experience means nothing, naruto has always gone up against opponents who have far more experience than he does.

It's irrelevant only because you think it is. To feats, it's not and feats showed Madara low diffs Naruto in Taijutsu. I am going to need a manga statement that Hashirama's cells made Madara better Taijutsu. The opponents Naruto went up against, first - he needed assistance. Second - He is facing Madara.​

Why? Naruto knows what it does, he grabs it with a chakra arm and bashes madara's face in.

Like he did against Obito? Lel, not to mention Madara can manifest his own Chakra arm. [

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tails are the weakest part of a bijuu, the hachibi's body was hit directly by its own bijuudama, the tails weren't. We don't even see how much damage the hachibi's chest took from the bijuudama, but we know that Bee took far more damage from the bijuudama than any cutting attack he was hit with as he wasn't even able to move after getting hit, was heavily injured and couldn't continue to fight.

Irrelevant. The example is to show why cutting attacks can do something blasts can't. It's horns were even cut by Ay. Are you blind? The blood can be seen at his tails. It hit him everywhere.​

bijuu-cloak extended arms are far less durable than the cloak around the actual body as we saw kakashi's raikiri couldn't even penetrate the cloak with a direct
KN6 naruto wasn't anywhere near the center of that bijuudama considering Deva survived it, yet was taken out by a base rasengan.
ANd the kyuubi >> the other bijuu.

Irrelevant again. As I said, the example is to show why cutting attacks can penetrate a durability that blasts fail to do. The bold applies only in Chakra. Their raw power and overall skills have proven to be equal. We have Orochimaru who took hits from Tsunade's destructive punches, yet his wrist was pierced by Chidori. Get the point right now?​

That's because FRS is literally much stronger than SM COR barrage

But rather, it deals with cutting attacks. So, wrong.​

The juubi's laser isn't a nuclear attack, it's a penetrating laser, which is why it doesn't explode when it hits BM Naruto's chakra cloak. Yet despite being a penetrating attack and far more powerful than a bijuudama or PS slash, it only destroyed six of naruto's 9 tails. And that's BM Naruto not BSM Naruto.

Next you've given absolutely no positive argument for why a susanoo slash would do that to BM NAruto's avatar let alone BSM. All you've argued is that nuke =/= slash or cutting attack, yet you haven't shown that BM Naruto is weaker against these slashing attacks versus a nuke. And then from there you just assume that the slash does that to Naruto.

Finally, Madara explicitly stated that the bijuu could match the power of his PS, which means the slashes are only as powerful as a normal TBB. Sure attacks of same power can have different effects. For instance chidori can punch a hole in a person while rasengan messes up their insides, however in the end both attacks pretty much do the same amount of damage to the target. And thus Naruto isn't going to take more damage from a PS slash than he does from a TBB.

I'm guessing that since you didn't respond to the other parts of my arguments like how naruto would blow PS up with a bijuudama, you agree that naruto would do that.

Blast attack, nuclear attack and energy kinetic attack all deal with same principle. Cutting attacks don't. As the examples I posted above, PS slashes Bijuu mode like a banana. The bold is a wank, fanboying and trash that will be ignored.​

 

[ARGUS]

BSM Naruto beats EMS Madara high diff
VOTE Madara beats BSM Naruto mid/high diff