BSM is not BM with better sensor. BSM>BM

[Xāvî1]

you made these threads before. it's no use.

I agreee

 

[riley freeman]

You're trying too hard. At least try to be more creative than a four year old next time you insult us.

Also;

'Sasuke fan-boys disagree with you anyways.'*​

Bro, she IS four years old

 

[Shura]

I don't care, as long as you keep your evidenceless opinions for yourselves.

That wasn't aimed at you. I was being a grammar nazi and correcting her.​

 

[obito uchiha the wraith]

dude read you havent debunked anything you post absurd analogies with nothing to back them up more than your assumptions.

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Quote exactly what you are trying to get at from he wiki I just read it and also searched sage mode wiki. NEITHER of which says sm MULTIPLIES CHAKRA they both say they can enhance attacks and make them stronger that's completely different from multiplying. This automatically debunks his theory because he starts off suing that. It blends senjutsu with chakra and spirit it does not amplify them or increase them. When naruto uses a senjutsu attack it is not AMPLIFIED the senjutsu chakra is much more powerful than regular chakra that's why the attack is more powerful. If the attack was being amplified/multiplied senjutsu wouldn't need to be stronger than normal chakra.

 

[obito uchiha the wraith]

Nigga you know you butt hurt when you makethe same thread twice

Ot:I haven't seen any feat bsm that suggest you're right

EXACTLY this guy says bsm is a multiplied version of bm if that was true the kyuubi avatar would've multiplied in size because it is made of chakra narto is emitting.

 

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Quote exactly what you are trying to get at from he wiki I just read it and also searched sage mode wiki. NEITHER of which says sm MULTIPLIES CHAKRA they both say they can enhance attacks and make them stronger that's completely different from multiplying. This automatically debunks his theory because he starts off suing that. It blends senjutsu with chakra and spirit it does not amplify them or increase them. When naruto uses a senjutsu attack it is not AMPLIFIED the senjutsu chakra is much more powerful than regular chakra that's why the attack is more powerful. If the attack was being amplified/multiplied senjutsu wouldn't need to be stronger than normal chakra.

amplify/enhance means you make something stronger than normal, if you amplify a signal its stronger and more powerful dude:|. sage art giant rasengan is more powerful than a normal giant rasengan because senjustu amplified the power output why is this so hard for you to comprehend?

from the wiki
Naruto can also combine his Tailed Beast Mode with

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to greatly enhance his abilities, giving him a further increase in speed, strength, durability, ninjutsu and taijutsu

 

[Turson]

Once ahain... in order to produce Senjutsu chakra user has to absorb right amount of natural enrgy. Normal chakra cantains of physical and spiritual power, with Senjutsu chakra we have thrid element - natural energy. That third element is not wasted, that energy dont just disappear.

Base Narutos chakra pool:
(1111) + (2222)

SM Narutos chakra pool:
(1111) + (2222) + (3333)

SM does not multiply ones chakra, but it still makes it bigger.

 

[obito uchiha the wraith]

dude read you havent debunked anything you post absurd analogies with nothing to back them up more than your assumptions.

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Show me the scan saying sm MULTIPLIES chakra like you say then ill believe you but it clearly doesn't. Even the wiki of sage mode specifies that senjutsu is stronger than regular chakra.

 

[Wolfus]

Quote exactly what you are trying to get at from he wiki I just read it and also searched sage mode wiki. NEITHER of which says sm MULTIPLIES CHAKRA they both say they can enhance attacks and make them stronger that's completely different from multiplying. This automatically debunks his theory because he starts off suing that. It blends senjutsu with chakra and spirit it does not amplify them or increase them. When naruto uses a senjutsu attack it is not AMPLIFIED the senjutsu chakra is much more powerful than regular chakra that's why the attack is more powerful. If the attack was being amplified/multiplied senjutsu wouldn't need to be stronger than normal chakra.

You do realise that when something is multiplied, it increases from it's original value, right? You know that, right?
Increased in proportions, is still increased.
What are schools teaching these days...

And anyway, it would still contribute to me, because I said, BSM> BM, which is what is stated there. The power, the strength, it increases.
"Naruto can also combine his Tailed Beast Mode with Sage Mode to greatly enhance his abilities, giving him a further increase in speed, strength, durability, ninjutsu and taijutsu.[34] The markings of the Sage also reflect on Kurama's tailed beast-cloak as well"
This is what's there.

If we get a regular rasengan, it's something. A senjutsu rasengan is more powerful, this was explained by the frog, which was in the thread. Senjutsu = Natural energy balance with chakra(physical energy+ spiritual energy). So yeah, SM aplifies the power. Explained by fukasaku.

As for the attributes, the wiki speaks for itself.

But this is it: Through absorbing natural energy and balancing that energy within your chakra system, your attributes increase in proportions.

With this explained, let's go again. While in BM, naruto syncs with kurama, and all of kurama's chakra joins within naruto's chakra system, in an active form, whereas while naruto is in base form, kurama's chakra is "hidden", passive in the chakra system.

So, in base form, naruto has to balance natural energy only with his own chakra.

Now, while in BM, naruto will have to gather natural energy and balance it with all of his and kurama's chakra, as now, kurama's chakra isa active, flowing in the system, as they are linked.

 

[Wolfus]

EXACTLY this guy says bsm is a multiplied version of bm if that was true the kyuubi avatar would've multiplied in size because it is made of chakra narto is emitting.

The size wouldn't change. Senjutsu chakra is more powerful than regular chakra, as stated by fukasaku.

 

[Wolfus]

Show me the scan saying sm MULTIPLIES chakra like you say then ill believe you but it clearly doesn't. Even the wiki of sage mode specifies that senjutsu is stronger than regular chakra.

I said it in the thread: SM was portrayed as a multiplier due to the gap between naruto and naruto SM, as his speed and strength more than doubled.

 

[Turson]

I said it in the thread: SM was portrayed as a multiplier due to the gap between naruto and naruto SM, as his speed and strength more than doubled.

Yes, but remember one thing: SM multiplies chakras strenght, not quantity. Chakras indeed becomes bigger in SM, but the change is not that drastic.

 

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Show me the scan saying sm MULTIPLIES chakra like you say then ill believe you but it clearly doesn't. Even the wiki of sage mode specifies that senjutsu is stronger than regular chakra.

sage mode enhances abilities and power. this is exactly what sage mode does.

• The user's physical strength, speed,
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  , reflexes, perception and durability dramatically increase.
• The user's
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  ,
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  , and
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  become more powerful.
• The user can
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  the natural energy surrounding them, turning it into an extension of their body, which increases the reach of their attacks.
• The user gains the ability to
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  around them.

 

[obito uchiha the wraith]

The size wouldn't change. Senjutsu chakra is more powerful than regular chakra, as stated by fukasaku.

Kuramas chakra is not normal chakra it is dese and actually a solid object. Senjutsu enhances chakra techniques the avatar would be bigger its made of chakra. Bsm=bm bsm has no feats above bm except sensing show me a scan saying otherwise.

 

[Wolfus]

Yes, but remember one thing: SM multiplies chakras strenght, not quantity. Chakras indeed becomes bigger in SM, but the change is not that drastic.

Yeah, I know. It's the power that is amplified, not the size, That's why I said that BSM Naruto and BM naruto having the same size with kurama avatar wouln't prove anything.

Kuramas chakra is not normal chakra it is dese and actually a solid object. Senjutsu enhances chakra techniques the avatar would be bigger its made of chakra. Bsm=bm bsm has no feats above bm except sensing show me a scan saying otherwise.

You got everyone against you here. First, Naruto can control the size of the avatar at some extent. And second, as I said, the whole chakra gets balanced with senjutsu, so it doesn't have to be bigger to be more powerful.

Bsm> bm. Manga logic(the way SM works) + stated in the wiki.

Stop being one of those mindless idiots "Oh, give scan, I can't think by myself, scan or you're wrong". This doesn't disprove anyone. It just shows that you have no arguments left.

 

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Kuramas chakra is not normal chakra it is dese and actually a solid object. Senjutsu enhances chakra techniques the avatar would be bigger its made of chakra. Bsm=bm bsm has no feats above bm except sensing show me a scan saying otherwise.

kurama chakra doesn't contain natural energy which means it can be amplified by senjutsu.

scan to prove that senjutsu added to kurama power does make it stronger.

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[obito uchiha the wraith]

kurama chakra doesn't contain natural energy which means it can be amplified by senjutsu.

scan to prove that senjutsu added to kurama power does make it stronger.

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That bijuu bomb had the same size and power as a normal bijuu bomb the only difference is it had senjutsu in it. You are basically trying to argue a nuke with gasoline in it is stronger than a normal nuke. It's already so powerful the difference is not relevant.

 

[Wolfus]

That bijuu bomb had the same size and power as a normal bijuu bomb the only difference is it had senjutsu in it. You are basically trying to argue a nuke with gasoline in it is stronger than a normal nuke. It's already so powerful the difference is not relevant.

No. It was stated by fukasaku that senjutsu increases the power of ninjutsu. A senpou rasengan is stronger than a regular rasengan(same size). The same for the bijuu dama.
You're going against stuff stated in the wiki, you'r going against the logic put about how SM and senjutsu works.
That is enough to show that you're wrong.

Oh, and about your neg rep, no. Manga logic states that senjutsu, SM, amplifies the attributes, and the wiki says the same.

 

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That bijuu bomb had the same size and power as a normal bijuu bomb the only difference is it had senjutsu in it. You are basically trying to argue a nuke with gasoline in it is stronger than a normal nuke. It's already so powerful the difference is not relevant.

what does size have to do with it? they clearly believe senjutsu would make it stronger else the wouldnt added it to the bijuudama use a scan to disprove me and stop using rubbish analogies.