BSM does have a feats

[xcoyote]

More like Minato's feat since it's his rasengan. Naruto only added sennin attack to it :|

Its not like Naruto can replicate the feat alone :|

 

[VongolaX]

Fanboys will say so anyway, but I'll keep showing this when they do.





Why is it so hard for people to read threads thoroughly? Reread it, I already addressed your argument.

Your not getting it, that attack is stronger than any ttb kurama can produce.

In that rasengan it was the power of both yin and tang enhance with sage mode chakra.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

More like Minato's feat since it's his rasengan. Naruto only added sennin attack to it :|

You do realize that's why it was so powerful right? Sage jutsu multiplies the effectiveness of an attack, so any of Naruto's attacks can be enhanced as much as he did Minato's, but I'm convinced they both put actual chakra into it, but Naruto put in more than half its force.

it worked simply because it was senjutsu enhanced. obitos onmyoudon turns all ninjutsu(chakra) to nothing. senjutsu bypasses this. if people read the manga, they would know this.

Are you suggesting that's the only reason the ransengan did damage?:|

The Juubi is made of Sage chakra. It's TBB's are sage jutsu in other words. The black orb withstood it. The black orb had trouble with Naruto and Minato's ransengan, meaning that it had more force than the TBB's.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Your not getting it, that attack is stronger than any ttb kurama can produce.

In that rasengan it was the power of both yin and tang enhance with sage mode chakra.

I know, but Naruto still contributed more than half of the total power.


Edit: Unless you're suggesting that they put their chakra into it then enhanced it with SM. However, Naruto would have half the power in that case, which means that it's still comparable or equal to a juubi TBB.

 

[Sea Of Thy Soul]

other than significantly slowing the user down and granting natural energy based attacks... what else can bsm do? lol

 

[Bogard]

You do realize that's why it was so powerful right? Sage jutsu multiplies the effectiveness of an attack, so any of Naruto's attacks can be enhanced as much as he did Minato's, but I'm convinced they both put actual chakra into it, but Naruto put in more than half its force.

He contributed in nothing powerwise. He only transferred senjutsu in it. Minato said it himself. Naruto only added his senjutsu in the rasengan:

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[Wolfus]

other than significantly slowing the user down and granting natural energy based attacks... what else can bsm do? lol

SM amplifies all the atributes of the base form, that, in this case, would be naruto BM. His speed, strenght, durability, etc were all increased.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

He contributed in nothing powerwise. He only transferred senjutsu in it. Minato said it himself. Naruto only added his senjutsu in the rasengan:

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Brogard, be reasonable. The black orbs tanked 4 of the juubi's strongest attacks. If what you're saying is true, then this is nothing more than full Kurama or half Kurama if you insist that Naruto had nothing to do with the ransengan's power. And how did Kurama compare himself to the juubi?

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[Bogard]

Brogard, be reasonable. The black orbs tanked 4 of the juubi's strongest attacks. If what you're saying is true, then this is nothing more than full Kurama or half Kurama if you insist that Naruto had nothing to do with the ransengan's power. And how did Kurama compare himself to the juubi?

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Don't misunderstand. I'm not saying Naruto can't replicate such a feat if not even better. He has more powerful moves than Minato after all, but on that particular panel, Naruto only added Senjutsu to Minato's rasengan. It's directly stated by the manga(Minato). So how can you refute something like this is beyond me hmm

Btw it's Bogard, not Brogard Lol

Just to make it more visible i edited a pic of it anyway to contribute with your thread =D

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[VongolaX]

I know, but Naruto still contributed more than half of the total power.


Edit: Unless you're suggesting that they put their chakra into it then enhanced it with SM. However, Naruto would have half the power in that case, which means that it's still comparable or equal to a juubi TBB.

Yes I'm trying to point out here that full kurama (like the one that fought with madara) enhanced with sage mode chakra on top of that was put into that attack.


Remember that the juubi's kryptonite is a simple sage mode chakra too.

Madara knew that, and kept Hashirama at bay by preventing that from happening....

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Don't misunderstand. I'm not saying Naruto can't replicate such a feat if not even better. He has more powerful moves than Minato after all, but on that particular panel, Naruto only added Senjutsu to Minato's rasengan. It's directly stated by the manga(Minato). So how can you refute something like this is beyond me hmm

Btw it's Bogard, not Brogard Lol

Just to make it more visible i edited a pic of it anyway to contribute with your thread =D

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I hold nothing against Minato being OP as well, but the idea that 50% non-enhanced Kurama did this is impossible. Sage jutsu must have enhanced the ransengan's power.

 

[KidGamer65]

Are you suggesting that's the only reason the ransengan did damage?:|

The Juubi is made of Sage chakra. It's TBB's are sage jutsu in other words. The black orb withstood it. The black orb had trouble with Naruto and Minato's ransengan, meaning that it had more force than the TBB's.

Are you trying to imply that the Sage Rasengan they used is more powerful than those 4 Bijuu Dama?

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Are you trying to imply that the Sage Rasengan they used is more powerful than those 4 Bijuu Dama?

It is a collaboration technique. Look Kidgamer, it may be ridiculous, but these are the facts from the manga.

 

[KidGamer65]

It is a collaboration technique. Look Kidgamer, it may be ridiculous, but these are the facts from the manga.

Can't even believe what I'm reading here....Its just a Bijuu sized Rasengan with Senjutsu chakra added into it by Naruto. How you can actually try and claim that it alone would be more powerful than 1 let alone 4 Mountain Busters+ is baffling.

The Juubi isn't even made of Senjutsu chakra,

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. A component of the former.

What it most likely does is collects Nature Energy and somehow converts it into chakra as Kurama states here

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Not to mention if the Juubi didn't have chakra, then the 9 Bijuu (The Juubi's chakra) couldn't and wouldn't exist.

So the Juubi's attacks are not Senjutsu attacks and that is why Obito tanked them with his black substance. This Rasengan isn't going to be stronger than 1 let alone 4 Bijuu Dama. The thought alone is ridiculous.

 

[ANiMUS]

Wasn't the cracking of orb just because it was a big attack that could not be erased like the other jutsu and probably the bijuudamas that obi to used. Rather than say this is a BSM feat I would rather call it a marker on how much damage the orbs can take from an affective attack

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Can't even believe what I'm reading here....Its just a Bijuu sized Rasengan with Senjutsu chakra added into it by Naruto. How you can actually try and claim that it alone would be more powerful than 1 let alone 4 Mountain Busters+ is baffling.

The Juubi isn't even made of Senjutsu chakra,

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. A component of the former.

What it most likely does is collects Nature Energy and somehow converts it into chakra as Kurama states here

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Not to mention if the Juubi didn't have chakra, then the 9 Bijuu (The Juubi's chakra) couldn't and wouldn't exist.

So the Juubi's attacks are not Senjutsu attacks and that is why Obito tanked them with his black substance. This Rasengan isn't going to be stronger than 1 let alone 4 Bijuu Dama. The thought alone is ridiculous.

Manga disagrees with your concept.

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[ballerjordan]

He contributed in nothing powerwise. He only transferred senjutsu in it. Minato said it himself. Naruto only added his senjutsu in the rasengan:

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Exactly. Minato said transfer your senjutsu. Did Minato say "Transfer some natural energy into this", nope. Naruto gave it atleast 50% of the power thanks to his senjutsu chakra.

 

[KidGamer65]

Manga disagrees with your concept.

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Manga disagrees with the fact that the Juubi was storing up chakra?

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Manga disagrees with the Juubi using chakra with the 9 Bijuu being proof of this?

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Manga disagrees with the fact that Senjutsu chakra=/=Nature Energy?

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No, No and No. Manga agrees with everything I stated. Senjutsu chakra=Nature Energy+Spiritual Energy+Physical Energy. Senjutsu chakra=/=Nature Energy. Are you going to tell me the Juubi doesn't use chakra despite 2 things in the manga showing that you're wrong?

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Manga disagrees with the fact that the Juubi was storing up chakra?

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Manga disagrees with the Juubi using chakra with the 9 Bijuu being proof of this?

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Manga disagrees with the fact that Senjutsu chakra=/=Nature Energy?

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No, No and No. Manga agrees with everything I stated. Senjutsu chakra=Nature Energy+Spiritual Energy+Physical Energy. Senjutsu chakra=/=Nature Energy. Are you going to tell me the Juubi doesn't use chakra despite 2 things in the manga showing that you're wrong?

We can argue and debate on what specifically is the juubi's weakness, but the manga clearly stated that the way to fight the juubi is to use something that the juubi uses. That's a manga fact. This means that the juubi is weak against its own attacks.

 

[KidGamer65]

We can argue and debate on what specifically is the juubi's weakness, but the manga clearly stated that the way to fight the juubi is to use something that the juubi uses. That's a manga fact. This means that the juubi is weak against its own attacks.

The Juubi's weakness being Natural Energy doesn't mean that all its attacks use Natural Energy. The manga stated that since the Juubi is pretty much natural energy, it can be hurt by natural energy. Its already an undeniable fact that the Juubi uses chakra as mentioned by Kurama, the fact that the Bijuu who exist from being made out of the Juubi's chakra, and the fact that the Juubi is the progenitor of all chakra.

You saying that chakra isn't used in its attacks make absolutely zero sense. Bijuu Dama requires a raito of 8:2 Black to White chakra. How can the Juubi use Bijuu Dama if it only uses pure Natural Energy? Which ISN'T Chakra.

There should be no debate here. Its a fact that the Juubi has chakra and uses it for its attacks. Nor is a Rasengan of all things going to be stronger than 4 Bijuu Dama. That just makes no sense. At all.