[Discussion] Brook Vs Gladius

[Tomato God]

2. It has a charge time and Franky inflating would change the direction of his attack.
3. Coup de Vent uses up cola, so if Gladius can just keep doing that until Franky is out of cola. Assuming Franky could even stop the inflation that way.

2. but franky has rockets and bullets and none of those things are restricted nor is him breathing fire on gladuis at first contant.
3. Could gladuis last that long? probably not.

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This mother hugger is like sonic. He just gotta go fast.

In lists, you rank the characters based on who is stronger. For example, Enel would be higher than Pre-TS Luffy in a tier list.

I thought it was relative to all the characters.

Like if it was a list of Pre-Ts Luffy enel, Don kreig, Prime Red legg zeff, and captian kuro

I would have to list it like this
Zeff
Enel
Luffy
Krieg
Kuro

Not because Enel can be beat by Zeff but zeff with both his legs could beat the most people on that list

Robin can beat the second most strawhats. The only one she couldn't beat is Luffy imo

Just ignore that last part of my post, I said it in the spur of the moment and don't really mean it.

Its quite alright, What are friends for? Lol

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

2. but franky has rockets and bullets and none of those things are restricted nor is him breathing fire on gladuis at first contant.
3. Could gladuis last that long? probably not.

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This mother hugger is like sonic. He just gotta go fast.

I thought it was relative to all the characters.

Like if it was a list of Pre-Ts Luffy enel, Don kreig, Prime Red legg zeff, and captian kuro

I would have to list it like this
Zeff
Enel
Luffy
Krieg
Kuro

Not because Enel can be beat by Zeff but zeff with both his legs could beat the most people on that list

Robin can beat the second most strawhats. The only one she couldn't beat is Luffy imo

Its quite alright, What are friends for? Lol

1. Those puny rockets aren't hurting Gladius if a Jet Stamp barely did any damage to him. Gladius can dodge Franky's fire. If Franky is constantly having to remove air from his body, he won't be able to attack, besides I don't think that Franky could just use Coup de Vent like that to remove the air. From the looks of it, he sucks it in from his hands and then holds the air in his forearm, and then releases it. Baby Buster did quite a number on Franky, so imagine what Punk Rock Fest or Punk Super Arena would do.

2. Zeo isn't strong compared to Gladius, Franky, and others on their level, so showing Brook speed blitzing someone that Gladius is two or three tiers above at least isn't enough to show that Brook is faster than Gladius. Not to mention that Gladius has crazy reaction speed.

3. That makes no sense when compared to your previous posts in this thread.

 

[Tomato God]

1. Those puny rockets aren't hurting Gladius if a Jet Stamp barely did any damage to him. Gladius can dodge Franky's fire. If Franky is constantly having to remove air from his body, he won't be able to attack, besides I don't think that Franky could just use Coup de Vent like that to remove the air. From the looks of it, he sucks it in from his hands and then holds the air in his forearm, and then releases it. Baby Buster did quite a number on Franky, so imagine what Punk Rock Fest or Punk Super Arena would do.

As soon as gladuis touches franky. Franky could use the self aiming rockets in his shoulders to blast him away. Not hurt him but remove contact. And then they should be close enough where franky can hit him.

All I am saying is if Gladius gets close franky blast him back with all the hidden weapons he's got inside of him. And then pummles him.

2. Zeo isn't strong compared to Gladius, Franky, and others on their level, so showing Brook speed blitzing someone that Gladius is two or three tiers above at least isn't enough to show that Brook is faster than Gladius. Not to mention that Gladius has crazy reaction speed.

Its a speed feat not a "wow" feat

3. That makes no sense when compared to your previous posts in this thread.

I made a new thread so it makes more sense.

 

[chopstickchakra]

And yet the Pre-TS Straw Hats beat him and Nighmare Luffy curbstomped his ass even though he had help from Moria.

So I guess Brook>>Roger since all he needs to do is start playing the song to make the victim fall asleep. What proof do you have that he doesn't need to complete the song before it effects the victim?

That's not how VS threads work dude.

Zoro said that he would be interested in learning that technique. Doesn't make Kin'emon strong. Nami wanted to learn about the weather from the Weatherians, so I guess they are stronger than we thought.

Still doesn't make him faster than Gladius.

Not if that stab shatters his bones.

Still not impressive since fodders got up a few minutes after that attack.

Don't act like a simple-minded plebeian. I said the version Kuma used on the SHs is weaker than Barto's barriers. Just because Kuma is stronger than Barto doesn't mean that his attacks, no matter what, will be stronger than Barto's. The version of Ursus Shock that Kuma used on the SHs is weaker than Barto's barriers.

Plot doesn't affect this match, so Brook isn't going to randomly have a bottle of milk on him. As long as his bones are not hurt any attacks will not go to his core like when Zeo beheaded Brook, his soul managed to repair it and connect his bones together again. An explosion would damage his bones, and he would die if it was severe enough.

Are you really trying to use Main Character shield as a reason why Oars should be considered weak? Nightmare Luffy didn't curbstomp him either, it took all of the SH's to bring him down.

The manga showed it. What proof do you have it doesn't.

They probably are stronger than you thought because you seem to think a lot of people are weak, but no they are not strong. Go ahead and keep telling yourself Wano Samurai and Kinemon aren't strong fighters. You know, despite what Oda says, I'm sure it will work out for you.

The two are incomparable at the moment, I never said he was faster I said if Gladius is faster it's not by much the same applies for Brook. Whichever is actually faster it's not by a significant margin.

Right remaining conscious after being attacked by Kuma is no point of endurance at all.

Speaking of Kuma, "I said the version Kuma used on the SHs is weaker than Barto's barriers" I know you did that's why I quoted it why are you re-saying it as if I ignored it? You have no proof that Kuma's Ursus shock was weaker than normal plus he was mostly WG property at that point so I doubt he reduced the power much if at all.

Even if that were the case, it'd still be double death which means no winner which means the initial claim of mid-diff is still wrong it'd be high-diff with likely double death.

 

[MickNerks]

I see Brook with Mid Diff

Gladius, would be hypnotized the moment brook pulls our his violin. The description read from wikia defines brooks hypnotizing power as his ability to affect other individuals souls. Gladius would either fall asleep due to "Nemuriuta Flanc" or fall victim to an illusion, meanwhile brook would simply freeze him or slice him to pieces. Especially if we take the speed of his Humming Technique into account:

[video=youtube;Xd8rDas-rrQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xd8rDas-rrQ[/video]


Brook Kills the spider between 1:45 and 1:48, yet he doesnt even realized he has been defeated yet. Gladius wont even realize he was slashed until it was too late.

I find the underestimation of brooks power extremely disturbing.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

I see Brook with Mid Diff

Gladius, would be hypnotized the moment brook pulls our his violin. The description read from wikia defines brooks hypnotizing power as his ability to affect other individuals souls. Gladius would either fall asleep due to "Nemuriuta Flanc" or fall victim to an illusion, meanwhile brook would simply freeze him or slice him to pieces. Especially if we take the speed of his Humming Technique into account:

[video=youtube;Xd8rDas-rrQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xd8rDas-rrQ[/video]


Brook Kills the spider between 1:45 and 1:48, yet he doesnt even realized he has been defeated yet. Gladius wont even realize he was slashed until it was too late.

I find the underestimation of brooks power extremely disturbing.

Wow I never realized Brook was so OP! Big Mom is lucky that Brook hasn't pulled his violin since he could solo her entire crew with it. I'm pretty damn sure that he has to get far enough into his song in order for it to work, or else what's stopping him from soloing every enemy by playing just one note from his song?

 

[chopstickchakra]

Wow I never realized Brook was so OP! Big Mom is lucky that Brook hasn't pulled his violin since he could solo her entire crew with it. I'm pretty damn sure that he has to get far enough into his song in order for it to work, or else what's stopping him from soloing every enemy by playing just one note from his song?

Is that your only defense, why hasn't he? Because the author chose not to, it's a work of fiction not real people that's the reason Brook doesn't put everyone to sleep right away. Isn't this supposed to be a non author restricted scenario? If that's true than Brook can start off with his lullaby song, if this is plot restricted scenarios then Brook won't use it.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Is that your only defense, why hasn't he? Because the author chose not to, it's a work of fiction not real people that's the reason Brook doesn't put everyone to sleep right away. Isn't this supposed to be a non author restricted scenario? If that's true than Brook can start off with his lullaby song, if this is plot restricted scenarios then Brook won't use it.

I want some proof that Brook can make people fall asleep the instant he starts playing the song.

 

[chopstickchakra]

I want some proof that Brook can make people fall asleep the instant he starts playing the song.

Seriously I already had to show you Machvise hit birdcage now you need me to find you the page of lullaby flanc,

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1 swipe of his sword and the music notes come out

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Literally the next panel they're falling asleep, the panel after that they are. Not like you claiming Gladius tanked Jet Stamp even though it was 16-ish panels before he got back to his feet.


That was pre time skip post skip he can manipulate an opponents behavior stopping Gladius from inflating anything. And before you say he can't

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Again the next panel the music takes effect. You can't get more instant than that. Sound travels far, as long as Gladius is in range, he's lost. It took Brook 6 panels to take out a whole squad with that tech how long do you think it'd take for one person?

Brook is designed as comedy relief over impressive feats, but that doesn't discount his abilities.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Seriously I already had to show you Machvise hit birdcage now you need me to find you the page of lullaby flanc,

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1 swipe of his sword and the music notes come out

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Literally the next panel they're falling asleep, the panel after that they are. Not like you claiming Gladius tanked Jet Stamp even though it was 16-ish panels before he got back to his feet.


That was pre time skip post skip he can manipulate an opponents behavior stopping Gladius from inflating anything. And before you say he can't

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Again the next panel the music takes effect. You can't get more instant than that. Sound travels far, as long as Gladius is in range, he's lost. It took Brook 6 panels to take out a whole squad with that tech how long do you think it'd take for one person?

Brook is designed as comedy relief over impressive feats, but that doesn't discount his abilities.

1. Machvise never did hit the Birdcage. Some of the soldiers said he was getting close to the Birdcage and then the dialogue between Hajrudin and Zoro pretty much confirmed that he didn't hit it.
2. Brook's attack as a limited range and Gladius is a long range fighter, so he should be alright as long as Brook doesn't get close. The victim doesn't instantly fall asleep, as seen when Chopper noticed he was falling asleep. If Brook gets close and tries to use it, Gladius can quickly use Blackium on Brook before he temporarily falls asleep.
3. Panels aren't an accurate measure of time, so saying it took Gladius 16 panels to get up doesn't mean much. All Jet Stamp did was knock him back and did minimal damage, Gladius didn't even spit out blood or even say something like "Ugh" after he was hit by the attack.
4. Brook has only used those two songs against fodders, so we don't know how it would effect people of relevance. It could just be similar to CoC.

 

[chopstickchakra]

1. Machvise never did hit the Birdcage. Some of the soldiers said he was getting close to the Birdcage and then the dialogue between Hajrudin and Zoro pretty much confirmed that he didn't hit it.
2. Brook's attack as a limited range and Gladius is a long range fighter, so he should be alright as long as Brook doesn't get close. The victim doesn't instantly fall asleep, as seen when Chopper noticed he was falling asleep. If Brook gets close and tries to use it, Gladius can quickly use Blackium on Brook before he temporarily falls asleep.
3. Panels aren't an accurate measure of time, so saying it took Gladius 16 panels to get up doesn't mean much. All Jet Stamp did was knock him back and did minimal damage, Gladius didn't even spit out blood or even say something like "Ugh" after he was hit by the attack.
4. Brook has only used those two songs against fodders, so we don't know how it would effect people of relevance. It could just be similar to CoC.

1. The Dialogue absolutely confirmed he did what are you talking about? He's in mid air flying towards birdcage then he yells AIIIIIEEEEE-IIIN which is his character ending. Then Zoro makes a joke about him not being a bird. Where in that page do you get that he didn't hit Birdcage?

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2. Gladius is a long range fighter, since when? He fought Bart and Cavendish in close proximity the whole time, he never tried to make distance in that fight. Sound has a long range, if a sound is loud enough it can be heard for miles(not that Brooks can but it's an example, Gladius would have to be far away to not go to sleep instantly and even if he managed to inflate 1 or 2 things before falling asleep that's no threat.

3. He did say ugh and he got knocked back a good distance, his face is covered how's he gonna split up blood?. You're the one who acted like he took Jet stamp and tanked it, but he didn't. Also panel rates are pretty much the only way to gauge time in a still form piece like a comic what are you talking about? We have no real time indicator except what happens in following panels. Here's proof Gladius showed signs of the impact, the exclamation marks and cough...who are you show he took damage. And Brooks music effect is still quicker than it took Gladius to get up from jet stamp.

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4. It started working on Luffy, and your point is exactly why you can't defend against it we don't know that it will but we've seen it can.

You wanted your proof there's your proof Lullaby flanc takes effect the moment it's heard end of discussion, you can continue to ignore and refute the manga all you want that doesn't change the facts Oda has drawn.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

1. The Dialogue absolutely confirmed he did what are you talking about? He's in mid air flying towards birdcage then he yells AIIIIIEEEEE-IIIN which is his character ending. Then Zoro makes a joke about him not being a bird. Where in that page do you get that he didn't hit Birdcage?

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2. Gladius is a long range fighter, since when? He fought Bart and Cavendish in close proximity the whole time, he never tried to make distance in that fight. Sound has a long range, if a sound is loud enough it can be heard for miles(not that Brooks can but it's an example, Gladius would have to be far away to not go to sleep instantly and even if he managed to inflate 1 or 2 things before falling asleep that's no threat.

3. He did say ugh and he got knocked back a good distance, his face is covered how's he gonna split up blood?. You're the one who acted like he took Jet stamp and tanked it, but he didn't. Also panel rates are pretty much the only way to gauge time in a still form piece like a comic what are you talking about? We have no real time indicator except what happens in following panels. Here's proof Gladius showed signs of the impact, the exclamation marks and cough...who are you show he took damage. And Brooks music effect is still quicker than it took Gladius to get up from jet stamp.

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4. It started working on Luffy, and your point is exactly why you can't defend against it we don't know that it will but we've seen it can.

You wanted your proof there's your proof Lullaby flanc takes effect the moment it's heard end of discussion, you can continue to ignore and refute the manga all you want that doesn't change the facts Oda has drawn.

1. Oops didn't notice that.
2. Gladius is the crew's marksman, so he obviously can fight at long range. He wanted to finish off Cavendish quickly because Robin was going to Level 4, so he tried to use Punc Rock Fest to end him quickly. The SHs, excluding Luffy and Chopper, didn't fall asleep and neither did the rest of the Flying Fish Riders. Luffy and Chopper only fell asleep for comedic relief.
3. Pre-TS Franky knocked a Pacifista back by a good distance, but he still did barely any damage to it. Luffy's punch knocked Garp back at MF, but Garp still took next to no damage. Gladius's only reaction to Jet Stamp was a cough, no blood. He clearly wasn't hurt much by the attack.
4. It didn't work on Nami, Sanji, Robin, Usopp, or Franky, and they were on the Sunny with Luffy when Brook used Lullaby Song. Luffy and Chopper only fell asleep because of comedic relief.

 

[chopstickchakra]

1. Oops didn't notice that.
2. Gladius is the crew's marksman, so he obviously can fight at long range. He wanted to finish off Cavendish quickly because Robin was going to Level 4, so he tried to use Punc Rock Fest to end him quickly. The SHs, excluding Luffy and Chopper, didn't fall asleep and neither did the rest of the Flying Fish Riders. Luffy and Chopper only fell asleep for comedic relief.
3. Pre-TS Franky knocked a Pacifista back by a good distance, but he still did barely any damage to it. Luffy's punch knocked Garp back at MF, but Garp still took next to no damage. Gladius's only reaction to Jet Stamp was a cough, no blood. He clearly wasn't hurt much by the attack.
4. It didn't work on Nami, Sanji, Robin, Usopp, or Franky, and they were on the Sunny with Luffy when Brook used Lullaby Song. Luffy and Chopper only fell asleep because of comedic relief.

1. Didn't notice? Everytime you said something about it I pointed out, you know what it's not important.

2. I don't recall it saying he was the crew's marksman, that's a little odd to not put a top exec on that detail marksman is a big role(yasopp, Usopp, Van Auger) Plus we haven't seen Trebol. Also Diamante seemed to be more of a long range fighter than Gladius did(not that that makes him a marksman though because I know he isn't) for all we know though Trebol could be, unless I missed his fighting style being shown.

3. He may not have shown "much" damage but you started off saying he tanked it and took no damage. He clearly didn't tank it and he took some damage. Can we now move past this point or are you going to continue to cling to it like it's the greatest durability feat ever?

4. Fairly certain all the riders above water at the time fell asleep. Plus as was said that was a pre skip feat they're all a lot stronger now.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

1. Didn't notice? Everytime you said something about it I pointed out, you know what it's not important.

2. I don't recall it saying he was the crew's marksman, that's a little odd to not put a top exec on that detail marksman is a big role(yasopp, Usopp, Van Auger) Plus we haven't seen Trebol. Also Diamante seemed to be more of a long range fighter than Gladius did(not that that makes him a marksman though because I know he isn't) for all we know though Trebol could be, unless I missed his fighting style being shown.

3. He may not have shown "much" damage but you started off saying he tanked it and took no damage. He clearly didn't tank it and he took some damage. Can we now move past this point or are you going to continue to cling to it like it's the greatest durability feat ever?

4. Fairly certain all the riders above water at the time fell asleep. Plus as was said that was a pre skip feat they're all a lot stronger now.

2. Read the top panel.

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3. Of course he took some damage, I was just trying to say he didn't take much damage, which is an impressive durability feat.
4. Nope, only those 3 did. Lullaby Song's range didn't increase until shown otherwise.

 

[ultraChalk]

What are the rules? Setting? Distance?

 

[chopstickchakra]

2. Read the top panel.

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3. Of course he took some damage, I was just trying to say he didn't take much damage, which is an impressive durability feat.
4. Nope, only those 3 did. Lullaby Song's range didn't increase until shown otherwise.

Hmm it appears he is, I still find it a bit odd that it isn't one of the top executives but that's just me. A little odd he never tried to create distance either. He did show he has accuracy though when he shot at Robin I just didn't assume he was the "sniper" of the crew.

You were saying it like it did nothing to him earlier though , when it clearly threw him back and surprised him, he's probably not used to being hurt at all. I still don't think getting up from a jet stamp is equivalent to being hit by an Elbaf giant's punch that pushed away 10,000 ton(even if that isn't a literal 10,000 ton I'm sure it was still heavy) If Gladius had been hit by the punch Vise was hit by he'd be KO'd as well imo from what I've seen.

Well he hasn't used it since then but why would we assume the range hasn't increased when every other aspect of every other strawhats power has increased including Brooks? Brook was even able to unlock the full potential of his fruit. Even if the sound range hasn't expanded, sound in general has a long range so it's not like that's only a close range skill. We don't know how far it reaches and we don't know how far Gladius can shoot from so right now we can't really say whether Gladius can set up at a range far enough away that's all just speculation, what we can say is if Gladius is in earshot he can be hypnotized or put to sleep.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Hmm it appears he is, I still find it a bit odd that it isn't one of the top executives but that's just me. A little odd he never tried to create distance either. He did show he has accuracy though when he shot at Robin I just didn't assume he was the "sniper" of the crew.

You were saying it like it did nothing to him earlier though , when it clearly threw him back and surprised him, he's probably not used to being hurt at all. I still don't think getting up from a jet stamp is equivalent to being hit by an Elbaf giant's punch that pushed away 10,000 ton(even if that isn't a literal 10,000 ton I'm sure it was still heavy) If Gladius had been hit by the punch Vise was hit by he'd be KO'd as well imo from what I've seen.

Well he hasn't used it since then but why would we assume the range hasn't increased when every other aspect of every other strawhats power has increased including Brooks? Brook was even able to unlock the full potential of his fruit. Even if the sound range hasn't expanded, sound in general has a long range so it's not like that's only a close range skill. We don't know how far it reaches and we don't know how far Gladius can shoot from so right now we can't really say whether Gladius can set up at a range far enough away that's all just speculation, what we can say is if Gladius is in earshot he can be hypnotized or put to sleep.

Gladius probably didn't create distance because he wanted to quickly get rid of Cavendish so he could stop Robin from reaching Level 4.

Even if Machvise has more endurance, his speed is an absolute joke, He couldn't even hit Franky with his 10 Ton Vise. Machvise wouldn't be able to hit Gladius. Gladius can just dodge and while Machvise is in pain (it hurts him whenever he misses), Gladius can use Punk Hair to poison Machvise and eventually paralyze him. Gladius can then use Punc Bala to get out of Machvise's range for a while until the poison settles in.

The song he used on the fishman was also short range since it only affected that group, so I don't see why Lullaby Song's range would be much different. The range of Lullaby Song is pretty short since it only affected the 3 Flying Fish Riders directly above the Sunny. Shirahoshi was within earshot of Brook's song, but it didn't effect her. So you have to be very close to be effected by the songs instead of just being within earshot.