Broken System

[-Yard-]

Lol.. That's just another point I can add to the list of people who have things granted that no one else is able to now get...

And? I can fuse with both of my summoning animals but no one else can create a summoning animal they can fuse with anymore. It wasn't anything recently granted, it was before the rules were made. Trying to complain about that would be like taking away Goro's kisame with gates biography and Hell's dragon contract. You will find that there are many people like that.

 

[Sanzen]

You two missed the point. The point is that it is not the NB sage mode. Yes it does allow manipulation of Nature chakra, but it is not the NB cannon Sage mode and to use the mode the member must have been taught the Cannon Sage mode to use it. It is not the cannon sage mode, it's a generic version of sage mode opposed to the Name brand sage mode. There are a lot of differences but yes you can still manipulate nature energy.

So what your telling me is since it isnt a Cannon Sage mode and even though its the same thing as Cannon sage mode just with slight differences then its aloud?
Thats BS imo. If is the same thing with just slight differences then it shouldnt have been approved in the CJ thread. Now if you open up that can you have to go back and look at the hypocrisy of the CJ thread Mod at the time. It was against the rules but because person A was friends with the Mod, it was over looked. Again showing the corruption of our system, back then and now.

 

[Heister]

Those will be your last words! :scorps:

*Takes my stick out of my pants*

*unknown to you I hid a wooden club in my pants, I take it out and rush towards you swinging*

 

[Typhon]

So what your telling me is since it isnt a Cannon Sage mode and even though its the same thing as Cannon sage mode just with slight differences then its aloud?
Thats BS imo. If is the same thing with just slight differences then it shouldnt have been approved in the CJ thread. Now if you open up that can you have to go back and look at the hypocrisy of the CJ thread Mod at the time. It was against the rules but because person A was friends with the Mod, it was over looked. Again showing the corruption of our system, back then and now.

Again, its not even close to the cannon sage mode. It doesn't let them use the cannon sage techniques, which is half the reason why the cannon sage mode is restricted. There are plenty of custom modes that give higher bonuses than Hawk Mode, but the only reason it seems you're complaining about it is because it happens to use natural chakra.

 

[The Riddlerr]

No its not. Hawk Mode is not Sage Mode. It doesn't allow the user to use the sage mode techniques on the jutsu list, and doesn't give the same bonuses as the canon sage mode. They're completely different modes, based on the same idea.

Here is the Toad Sage mode:

(Sennin Modo) – Sage Mode
Rank: S
Type: Supplementary
Range: N/A
Chakra cost: N/A
Damage points: N/A (+ 10 to Taijutsu)
Description: The user stands still in a motionless state to gather natural chakra to then enter Sage Mode. The user can eliminate the weakness of remaining still by using a shadow clone to stand still and absorb natural chakra whilst the main body remains in combat and by dispersing the clone the user will gain the natural chakra thus entering Hermit mode. This mode causes the user to take on characteristics of a frog. Red pigments surround the eyes and their pupils take on a rectangular shape. The user also gains the ability to sense chakra and the mode increase the power of the Taijutsu by +10.
Note: Sage Mode lasts for a total of 5 turns.
Note: if user uses Frog Katas length of Sage mode is cut by two turns.

And by having that you can use all of these canon techniques:

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Here is Hawk Mode:

(Shodai Taka Shukun) – Majestic Hawk Lord
Rank: S
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short
Chakra cost: 40
Damage points: N/A
Description: The user will focus their wind chakra with natural chakra into their body to then enter the Majestic Hawk Lord mode (must be standing still). Within this mode the gains abilities of the Hawk, gaining oval red patches covering their eyes and extending from the temple to the end their nose. They gain wings made of concentrate natural and wind chakra coated with natural chakra making the wings fire resistant form on their shoulders giving the user the ability to fly. They gain heightened eyesight and reaction capabilities and they are provided with additional strength in their physical capabilities making taijutsu stronger by +15 damage points.
Note: Mode lasts for 5 turns
Note: Can only be used once.
Note: Leaves the user unable to perform wind element for two turns.


Its pretty clear that the two are completely different things.

I'm gonna go and create a Kekkei Genkai... Does that mean it's suddenly NOT a Kekkei Genkai because it isn't Canon and doesn't have the same Boosts? Obviously no, it's still a Kekkei Genkai just like that's still a type of Sage Mode.

The Manga has just introduced us to a DIFFERENT type of Sage Mode, which means it's more than possible to attain OTHER variations of Sage Mode.

Sage Mode is dictated by the ability to use Natural Chakra.. Meaning anything that uses Natural Chakra is a TYPE of Sage Mode. I didn't say it was THE Sage Mode... I said it was a TYPE.

EDIT: Kabuto is doing things that Naruto isn't able to do, is he suddenly not using a type of Sage Mode? -.-" Please think about your responses before replying...

And? I can fuse with both of my summoning animals but no one else can create a summoning animal they can fuse with anymore. It wasn't anything recently granted, it was before the rules were made. Trying to complain about that would be like taking away Goro's kisame with gates biography and Hell's dragon contract. You will find that there are many people like that.

You do realize you're only adding more fuel to the fire, right? And you're not helping your argument AT ALL. All you're doing is telling everyone how there's more people than those listed with custom abilities that no one else is allowed to have... So thanks for that, you're actually helping those who are agreeing with Xanthe...

 

[XZA]

*Throws rock at Gaara*

*gets hit by rock*

who threw it?

 

[Madara..]

Out of all the senseless arguing I've read, you should have done a better job at the way you handled solving your problems man. If you felt that the system needed to be re-thought, why didn't you bring it straight to the man in charge of the system you feel to be corrupted?

Do you realize that time and time again people VM + PM mods/Nexus for permission and favors but yet they sometimes use word trickery and divisive techniques to achieve what they want? Place yourself in one of their shoes, where you're constantly being manipulated with words to have someone get something out of you. Welcome to Nexus' world, as well as a mod. What would you do in that particular situation.....trust those you know. Which contradicts the "people kiss ass" for what they want idea. How can you expect to achieve things in a system by being anti-social and just having things handed to you? You cant.

You made yourself look a fool by posting this here, although I respect your thoughts your whole argument is now tainted with being so off topic with so many pages of nonsense. You basically brought raw meat into a lions den dude.

 

[Jack Spicer]

*gets hit by rock*

who threw it?

*Emerges from a bush*

It was I! Evil Boy Genius! Jack Spicer!

 

[Typhon]

I'm gonna go and create a Kekkei Genkai... Does that mean it's suddenly NOT a Kekkei Genkai because it isn't Canon and doesn't have the same Boosts? Obviously no, it's still a Kekkei Genkai just like that's still a type of Sage Mode.

The Manga has just introduced us to a DIFFERENT type of Sage Mode, which means it's more than possible to attain OTHER variations of Sage Mode.

Sage Mode is dictated by the ability to use Natural Chakra.. Meaning anything that uses Natural Chakra is a TYPE of Sage Mode. I didn't say it was THE Sage Mode... I said it was a TYPE.







You do realize you're only adding more fuel to the fire, right? And you're not helping your argument AT ALL. All you're doing is telling everyone how there's more people than those listed with custom abilities that no one else is allowed to have... So thanks for that, you're actually helping those who are agreeing with Xanthe...

So why does it matter whether or not its a type of sage mode? Custom sage modes aren't restricted by the rules, anyone can have them in any bio. The restrictions apply only to the cannon sage mode because it also comes with tons of powerful techniques.

 

[-Yard-]

That's the whole point of my post <.<"

If you're going to allow 1 type of 'mode' that IS 'Sage Mode' but you've somehow stated it isn't... Then why can't other people make one?

In all forms, 'Hawk Mode' IS 'Sage Mode'... They're just lying to themselves and trying to lie to us if they think differently.


@Yard - But nevertheless, it is STILL Sage Mode. After everyone trying to state that it ISN'T Sage Mode, you just told us it wasn't the Generic Sage Mode... That doesn't mean it isn't a type of Sage Mode.

Until a few chapters ago, Kabuto's Dragon Mode wouldn't have been a Canon type of 'Sage Mode' yet it suddenly is.. Which means this 'Hawk Mode', whilst it always should have, will now fall under the category of Sage Mode.

It's like creating a Custom Kekkei Genkai... Just because it isn't a Canon Kekkei Genkai, doesn't mean it isn't a Kekkei Genkai... So just because this person has a Custom Sage Mode, doesn't mean it isn't a Sage Mode... It's just a different variation to it.

Can you use Hawk mode in a cannon battle? No. Once again, if people have a problem with someones cj's, modes or anything CJ/ability related, just make the fight a cannon fight. If anyone still has a problem with that, then they are merely trying to fix the fight for themselves. It is also common sense in rpg's that you do not fight a level 80 if you are a level 40. Don't want to fight someone op? Then do not fight them. There are very few op people still left in this rp if you compare those people to the new members of today. So if you can just restrict the fight to no cj's/abilities or just not fight the op person then why complain? It all just leads to people complaining because they aren't as op. Basically saying if I can't be that op then no one should be.

 

[Sanzen]

Again, its not even close to the cannon sage mode. It doesn't let them use the cannon sage techniques, which is half the reason why the cannon sage mode is restricted. There are plenty of custom modes that give higher bonuses than Hawk Mode, but the only reason it seems you're complaining about it is because it happens to use natural chakra.

No its not. Hawk Mode is not Sage Mode. It doesn't allow the user to use the sage mode techniques on the jutsu list, and doesn't give the same bonuses as the canon sage mode. They're completely different modes, based on the same idea.

Here is the Toad Sage mode:

(Sennin Modo) – Sage Mode
Rank: S
Type: Supplementary
Range: N/A
Chakra cost: N/A
Damage points: N/A (+ 10 to Taijutsu)
Description: The user stands still in a motionless state to gather natural chakra to then enter Sage Mode. The user can eliminate the weakness of remaining still by using a shadow clone to stand still and absorb natural chakra whilst the main body remains in combat and by dispersing the clone the user will gain the natural chakra thus entering Hermit mode. This mode causes the user to take on characteristics of a frog. Red pigments surround the eyes and their pupils take on a rectangular shape. The user also gains the ability to sense chakra and the mode increase the power of the Taijutsu by +10.
Note: Sage Mode lasts for a total of 5 turns.
Note: if user uses Frog Katas length of Sage mode is cut by two turns.

And by having that you can use all of these canon techniques:

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Here is Hawk Mode:

(Shodai Taka Shukun) – Majestic Hawk Lord
Rank: S
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short
Chakra cost: 40
Damage points: N/A
Description: The user will focus their wind chakra with natural chakra into their body to then enter the Majestic Hawk Lord mode (must be standing still). Within this mode the gains abilities of the Hawk, gaining oval red patches covering their eyes and extending from the temple to the end their nose. They gain wings made of concentrate natural and wind chakra coated with natural chakra making the wings fire resistant form on their shoulders giving the user the ability to fly. They gain heightened eyesight and reaction capabilities and they are provided with additional strength in their physical capabilities making taijutsu stronger by +15 damage points.
Note: Mode lasts for 5 turns
Note: Can only be used once.
Note: Leaves the user unable to perform wind element for two turns.


Its pretty clear that the two are completely different things.

Where did I say the were the exact same thing? Please tell me.
I said the same thing with differences. Read the bold parts, can you tell whats the same thing? I could go on and on saying your just kissing yard and Dans asses but I won't because thats not entirely true.
Now we are getting off topic, so lets get back to the corruption of the system and not about who has what modes and why its not right that they have them.

So what your telling me is since it isnt a Cannon Sage mode and even though its the same thing as Cannon sage mode just with slight differences then its aloud?
Thats BS imo. If is the same thing with just slight differences then it shouldnt have been approved in the CJ thread. Now if you open up that can you have to go back and look at the hypocrisy of the CJ thread Mod at the time. It was against the rules but because person A was friends with the Mod, it was over looked. Again showing the corruption of our system, back then and now.

You obviously overlooked my part about the hypocrisy and corruption of the system. *quotes and bold that part*

 

[The Riddlerr]

So why does it matter whether or not its a type of sage mode? Custom sage modes aren't restricted by the rules, anyone can have them in any bio. The restrictions apply only to the cannon sage mode because it also comes with tons of powerful techniques.

lemme refer you to this comment from Yard... "And? I can fuse with both of my summoning animals but no one else can create a summoning animal they can fuse with anymore. It wasn't anything recently granted, it was before the rules were made. Trying to complain about that would be like taking away Goro's kisame with gates biography and Hell's dragon contract. You will find that there are many people like that."



And lol Yard, you still don't seem to grasp the context at which people are arguing... So let me bring you to this quote just above... The words in italics...

That's a Canon Character with Canon Abilities... But those aren't their abilities from the Manga. Get it?

 

[Wesobi]

You obviously overlooked my part about the hypocrisy and corruption of the system. *quotes and bold that part*

It's funny how all of you a such hypocrits yourself, complaining about corruption, but being the first ones to ask your friend "senseis" if you could get training without filling an application/waiting/etc.

Honestly, it's just so stupid to go whining about this, as I'm pretty sure everyone tries to find a loophole here or there, or uses his "friendship" status to get CJ's.

Yea, let the flaming on me begin, I don't care, but it's funny to see all of the complaints about something so trivial because of a simple thing called jealousy.



(And yes, I don't like a lot of corruption going on either, but honestly, it's pointless to make a thread about is as EVERYONE tries to use it some way)

 

[The_Empire]

Okay with all the complaining can someone close this thread please? I am tired of reading about Sage Mode and Hawk Mode, Gates, Ms and other bs. Those abilities doesn't mean anything. I think I know the reason for the creator of this thread making this thread. He can't face against any user with the any of the above ablitiies. I wounder could you face me becasue I have no kind of ability anymore because I dropped it the started of my journey of meeting the Bears.

 

[-Cerberus-]

Things are getting hot now :rag::devil:

 

[Sanzen]

It's funny how all of you a such hypocrits yourself, complaining about corruption, but being the first ones to ask your friend "senseis" if you could get training without filling an application/waiting/etc.

Honestly, it's just so stupid to go whining about this, as I'm pretty sure everyone tries to find a loophole here or there, or uses his "friendship" status to get CJ's.

Yea, let the flaming on me begin, I don't care, but it's funny to see all of the complaints about something so trivial because of a simple thing called jealousy.



(And yes, I don't like a lot of corruption going on either, but honestly, it's pointless to make a thread about is as EVERYONE tries to use it some way)

Please show me where I have asked a sensei without filling out an application? I've waited a shit ton of time, just as others have. I might have senseis on my friends list but please show me where I asked a sensei to train me because they were my friend.

 

[Typhon]

Where did I say the were the exact same thing? Please tell me.
I said the same thing with differences. Read the bold parts, can you tell whats the same thing? I could go on and on saying your just kissing yard and Dans asses but I won't because thats not entirely true.
Now we are getting off topic, so lets get back to the corruption of the system and not about who has what modes and why its not right that they have them.





You obviously overlooked my part about the hypocrisy and corruption of the
system. *quotes and bold that part*

Why would I be kissing Yard or Dan's asses? I'm their elder on here so if anything they should be kissing mine.

Dan's bio was used as an example of corruption. Earlier people said it was unfair for him to have MS/Sage Mod/Heat Sensing and Smoke all in one bio, and that it was somehow corruption that allowed it. But that's not true, he gained the MS via winning a tournement, the bio doesn't have the cannon sage mode (which is the one that's restricted), heat sensing was given to him by Kagutsuchi and smoke didn't have restrictions. So I'm failing to see where the corruption is here.

This whole thread seems to me like people who got denied permission for something complaining that it must have been corruption that they got denied, without any actual proof.

 

[Wesobi]

Please show me where I have asked a sensei without filling out an application? I've waited a shit ton of time, just as others have. I might have senseis on my friends list but please show me where I asked a sensei to train me because they were my friend.

Do I honestly have to go through IRC chat logs?

 

[Sanzen]

Do I honestly have to go through IRC chat logs?

Why would you bring IRC chat logs here?

 

[Black Adam]

Anybody can get this with Nexus' permission? Are you kidding me? This was given to the Sage of Fire in the NB role-play system and now, anyone can get it with Nexus' permission. It doesn't even exist in the Narutoverse and it is the equivalent of having Advanced Chakra Sensing and basically the Byakugan. You can't suppress your heat.

A couple of bios with it.

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-Gyojin
-Ink (Breaking the newly established rules as KG bios can't have Ink, Smoke, or Paper)
-Heat Sensing

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-MS
-Rain
-Smoke (See Above)
-Heat Sensing
-Sage Mode

Neither of them are Sages of Fire. There are literally no restrictions for what can be considered one of the most overpowered abilities in the whole role-play and all you need is permission and you can have it on any biography? No matter what it has already? That makes no sense.

Balance in the role-play can be gained by kissing up to Nexus? Where is the fairness? Where is the equality? I used these two examples because they are "higher" level people in the role-play. Isn't the role-play supposed to be aimed to have fun? What fun is it if anybody can gain an immensely over-powered ability just with the permission from one person.

The permission system is broken. Any mod can refuse permission to someone just because they don't "like" that person. Why not extend the whole knowledge of elements or other abilities? Anybody can kiss up to someone or be friends with mods and gain abilities. That is what our whole role-play has come to and it's ignorant. Should our role-play be based upon being friends to gain bonuses? No. No it shouldn't because that is corrupt system. Anybody in power can deal out permission to their friends and get near anything they need just by being friends.

My suggestion is strip this away from people who aren't Sages of Fire, put damn restrictions on it that don't just require permission of one person, and change the entire permission system.

Also, mods shouldn't disable PM's and VM's. Rules need to be made concerning a lot of things. Write things down, makes it a lot easier to understand.

Any objections or questions can be answered/retorted.

You know as a black man in America...oops sorry....African American male between the ages of 18-30 I ask myself these same questions everyday..