Breaking Down Masculine Barriers

[Punk Hazard]

my original comment was about alpha males will always be leaders not about characteristics of a woman

What's stopping a feminine male from being the alpha male?

 

[China IL]

i will give a comparison in picture form

masculine:

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Masculine males are rough housing idiots while feminine males are male models? Sounds completely stereotypical, so I'm not surprised.

Biologically, the more masculine man is the alpha male. It has more so to do with evolution than society though. You can see it in humans just as you can see it in animals. Testosterone, which is a defining factor in masculinity, also makes people more aggressive. Traits that aren't considered "feminine" come with testosterone.

I don't know why people make it seem like gender roles are completely societal. It's natural as well. Not to say that people can't dress or act in whatever way they want.

Feminine males can still have masculine characteristics, it's not always black and white. That's the point.

 

[Ciao]

What's stopping a feminine male from being the alpha male?

like i tried to say earlier, it is impossible to be both simultaneously

Masculine males are rough housing idiots while feminine males are male models? Sounds completely stereotypical, so I'm not surprised.

well i said that we will always look for alpha males to led us because that's how the human brain is wired. if the human race were still hunter-gatherers, would you want the man in the first picture to lead your tribe or the man in the second picture?

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

Masculine males are rough housing idiots while feminine males are male models? Sounds completely stereotypical, so I'm not surprised.

When you're talking about masculine and feminine, if not stereotypes, what else do you define them by?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Come on riker, you're reaching with this one.

I don't see how you got that implication. Strength and aggression are generally masculine traits. And that has to do with nature more than society. He didn't say lack of those two traits make you inferior.

Refer to this quote.

feminine men are fine but alpha males will always dominate and lead. its how we are wired biologically.

This explicitly says feminine men cannot be alpha males, and will be inferior to men who can be alpha males, as they will dominate, something feminine men cannot do. Now, if feminine men can't be the alpha males, who does that leave to be the alpha males? Since the thread is about masculine males vs feminine males, that leaves masculine males. Add 2 and 2 together.

Masculine males will dominant over feminine males.
The thread is masculine males compared to feminine males.
The difference between masculine males and feminine males are one is masculine, and the other is feminine.
Therefore, masculine traits dominate over feminine traits. Masculine traits are those found more commonly in men over women.
Therefore, the common man dominates over the common woman because, as Ciao has made clear, masculine traits>feminine traits.

It's not a reach, it's ****ing math.

 

[Ciao]

Refer to this quote.



This explicitly says feminine men cannot be alpha males, and will be inferior to men who can be alpha males, as they will dominate, something feminine men cannot do. Now, if feminine men can't be the alpha males, who does that leave to be the alpha males? Since the thread is about masculine males vs feminine males, that leaves masculine males. Add 2 and 2 together.

Masculine males will dominant over feminine males.
The thread is masculine males compared to feminine males.
The difference between masculine males and feminine males are one is masculine, and the other is feminine.
Therefore, masculine traits dominate over feminine traits. Masculine traits are those found more commonly in men over women.
Therefore, the common man dominates over the common woman because, as Ciao has made clear, masculine traits>feminine traits.

It's not a reach, it's ****ing math.

i have no idea what point you are trying to make now?

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

Refer to this quote.



This explicitly says feminine men cannot be alpha males, and will be inferior to men who can be alpha males, as they will dominate, something feminine men cannot do. Now, if feminine men can't be the alpha males, who does that leave to be the alpha males? Since the thread is about masculine males vs feminine males, that leaves masculine males. Add 2 and 2 together.

Masculine males will dominant over feminine males.
The thread is masculine males compared to feminine males.
The difference between masculine males and feminine males are one is masculine, and the other is feminine.
Therefore, masculine traits dominate over feminine traits. Masculine traits are those found more commonly in men over women.
Therefore, the common man dominates over the common woman because, as Ciao has made clear, masculine traits>feminine traits.

It's not a reach, it's ****ing math.

Dominate in terms of what though? In strength, yeah, they will. As strength is found in males more than females therefore it is a masculine trait. I don't think leadership qualities are defined by masculinity and femininity though.

 

[Punk Hazard]

i have no idea what point you are trying to make now?

Simple.

Therefore, the common man dominates over the common woman because, as Ciao has made clear, masculine traits>feminine traits.

Men>women because the traits common to men are superior to the traits common to women, right? Unless the woman is more like a man, or the man is more like a woman, the average man is just a superior leader.

 

[China IL]

like i tried to say earlier, it is impossible to be both simultaneously

When you're talking about masculine and feminine, if not stereotypes, what else do you define them by?

Feminine males are males who have the characteristics of the average female, some more than others. Masculine males, in this sense ig, are the alpha males. The leader of the pack. I thought that was Ciao's point. So my point is that feminine males can still be the alpha male, the leader.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Dominate in terms of what though? In strength, yeah, they will. As strength is found in males more than females therefore it is a masculine trait. I don't think leadership qualities are defined by masculinity and femininity though.

Did I make the claim?

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

Feminine males are males who have the characteristics of the average female, some more than others. Masculine males, in this sense ig, are the alpha males. The leader of the pack. I thought that was Ciao's point. So my point is that feminine males can still be the alpha male, the leader.

Are we not working with stereotypes, then?

Did I make the claim?

No, I was asking you because I don't know what we're arguing about then. So it's settled, masculinity and femininity have nothing to do with leadership skills. A feminine man is less likely to be a leader then a masculine man, feminine or even masculine woman though just because the image doesn't sit right with society.

 

[Ciao]

Simple.

Men>women because the traits common to men are superior to the traits common to women, right? Unless the woman is more like a man, or the man is more like a woman, the average man is just a superior leader.

well i am lost. idk if you are agreeing with me or disagreeing.

Feminine males are males who have the characteristics of the average female, some more than others. Masculine males, in this sense ig, are the alpha males. The leader of the pack. I thought that was Ciao's point. So my point is that feminine males can still be the alpha male, the leader.

can you show me an example of a feminine male in a leadership position

 

[China IL]

Are we not working with stereotypes, then?

If you're referring to the bold, no, we're not. The term feminine is a stereotype itself.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

If you're referring to the bold, no, we're not. The term feminine is a stereotype itself.

Exactly, so when talking about femininity or masculinity, two concepts based on stereotypes, why be surprised when someone's input is stereotypical?

 

[Angelic.]

fabulous>masculine xD

 

[China IL]

can you show me an example of a feminine male in a leadership position

Honestly, RuPaul himself. He started as small time drag star and got his own talk show and interviewed some of the biggest celebrities at the time. Now he has his own show, which is a hit on TV and has a large dedicated fanbase.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

Honestly, RuPaul himself. He started as small time drag star and got his own talk show and interviewed some of the biggest celebrities at the time. Now he has his own show, which is a hit on TV and has a large dedicated fanbase.

I guess he was thinking about the traditional leadership position.

 

[Ciao]

Honestly, RuPaul himself. He started as small time drag star and got his own talk show and interviewed some of the biggest celebrities at the time. Now he has his own show, which is a hit on TV and has a large dedicated fanbase.

i was looking for the leader of something that actually mattered. of course a show about drag queens is going to be feminine. next are you going to tell me the leader of the catholic church is a catholic?!

 

[China IL]

Exactly, so when talking about femininity or masculinity, two concepts based on stereotypes, why be surprised when someone's input is stereotypical?

I explained what I meant by masculine already. I've discovered that feminine is not always a skinny gay boy posing in spandex. I'm not surprised that the term is stereotyped, it's the image that was provided that made me mention the term. It's what everyone thought of gay people in 2005

 

[The Work]

They're not a real man if they want to dress as a female.