Boruto's premises, why it doesn't make sense.

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From the get go, we were introduce to premises that seemed eye-catching and attention-grabbing, which brought in optimism normally unavailable during sequels. However as the premises unfolded, it became clear the authors forsook the state of the story for the appearance. As a result, most of the premises was immersed in the negative tropes of a story, such as Writing by the Seat of Your Pants and Shocking Swerve.

Boruto's Jougan.

The awakening of Boruto's Jougan is a quinessential of Writing by the Seat of Your Pants, such that it was an idea that had no prior planning. According to Ikemoto, Boruto's adult form was created quickly to meet a single purpose; . For that reason, the concepts surrounding Boruto's doujutsu had the symptoms of being incomplete. Rightly so as Kishimoto intended for Boruto to possess the Byakugan, thus the supposition Boruto got the Jougan because of his genetics is erroneous following Kishimoto preference for him to get the Byakugan and the series overarching theme of abilities acquisition. He got it due to the writers intention to add impact into the story. And then, Kishimoto has always maintained the idealogy; an offspring acquisition of an ability is an assimilation of the parent ability. For example, Hagoromo and Hamura both got parts of Kaguya abilities, namely the Byakugan and the Rinnegan. Tsunade acquired Senju's large reserves of chakra, and Uzumaki's unusual life force. Sarada attained Sasuke's inherent ability and Sakura's chakra control. These are examples that consigned with Kishimoto's entrenched ideology, which continued with Kishimoto originally preference of Boruto's doujutsu. The introduction of Jougan doesn't adhere to what Kishimoto entrenched, seeing as neither Naruto or Hinata possessed the Jougan. We can assume Boruto's doujutsu is a mutation of the Byakugan (NOT from a combination of Uzumaki genes and Hyuga genes as Boruto's Byakugan blood has been the major reference responsible for his Jougan justification) and remained logical. Albeit that would posit his doujutsu is an underlying of the Byakugan for the reason that mutated abilities in the series is most often in a mitigated form. Ergo, Byakugan is superior to the Jougan. The only cases registered to be different is a common scenario where a recipient receives a form of chakra or a combination of secondary genetics. For example Sasuke's Mangekyo sharingan attained a higher form when he received chakra from Hagoromo. Toneri attained the Tenseigan by combining the Byakugan with Otsutsuki chakra (Note the transcedence of the Sharingan to the Mangekyo Sharingan doesn't adhere to this on the grounds that the Sharingan and Mangekyo Sharingan is written within the genetic codes of an Uchiha, and as such, any Uchiha can achieve both variations if the right conditions are met). Boruto Jougan wasn't as a result of him receiving some sort of chakra, or combination with a genetically induced ability underwent after birth, hence giving validation to the description; Jougan makes no sense.

In an attempt to be fair, Jougan making no sense was somewhat inevitable by the virtue it was always going to be difficult adhering with the established notion in the series. Being that this is something the author should have made a passive consideration, it doesn't excuse the consequence of failing to consign with these concepts.

Boruto's fate.

Boruto's fate has been subjected to different interpretations by two major characters. One which comes from Toneri perspective, stating implicitly Boruto ultimate opponents is the Otsutsuki clan. This directly assumes the reason why he aided Boruto to unlock the Jougan. However, the case of battling the Otsutsuki make no sense as per the opening premise of the Manga, which posit Kawaki is going to be his ultimate opponent. Kawaki Otsutsuki gives a much needed reasonable outlook to it, but taking into account members of the Otsutsuki clan remains predisposed to their traditions and have a common doujutsu, the suggestion of Kawaki being an Otsutsuki has no room for substantiation and possibly won't ever. Such is the insensible nature of Toneri's belief, it seems to have affected his deductive reasoning. For example the latest episode seem to indicate Toneri's would have prefer members of the Otsutsuki clan to appear much later, enough for Boruto to master the Jougan. Evidently so, this is because he thinks only Boruto can defeat them, an inference from his mono-reference of Boruto. However, if history as shown anything, it is that Naruto and Sasuke are capable of making quick work of these threats, which they did unironically. Clearly, Toneri needs to revise his interpretations of Boruto's fate and this goes to the writers of the show.
 
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Every doujutsu originated at some point under certain conditions and was passed down from generation to generation, it evolved and devolved as well and Jougan is no different. I am sure the explanation will come in time. They're already working on it and Boruto's fate explanation as we've got the hints in the nue arc, manga and in the most recent episode.
 

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I swear you wouldn't have complained if Sarada was in the center of the story, talk about hypocrisy :lol

Anyway, as stated above Jougan's explanation will come in due time, but you have to be patient when it comes to the Boruto series. I'm still trying to understand why to you the Jougan doesn't make sense, I'm sorry but your thread is a mess.
 

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From the get go, we were introduce to premises that seemed eye-catching and attention-grabbing, which brought in optimism normally unavailable during sequels. However as the premises unfolded, it became clear the authors forsook the state of the story for the appearance. As a result, most of the premises was immersed in the negative tropes of a story, such as Writing by the Seat of Your Pants and Shocking Swerve.

Boruto's Jougan.

The awakening of Boruto's Jougan is a quinessential of Writing by the Seat of Your Pants, such that it was an idea that had no prior planning. According to Ikemoto, Boruto's adult form was created quickly to meet a single purpose; . For that reason, the concepts surrounding Boruto's doujutsu had the symptoms of being incomplete. Rightly so as Kishimoto intended for Boruto to possess the Byakugan, thus the supposition Boruto got the Jougan because of his genetics is erroneous following Kishimoto preference for him to get the Byakugan and the series overarching theme of abilities acquisition. He got it due to the writers intention to add impact into the story. And then, Kishimoto has always maintained the idealogy; an offspring acquisition of an ability is an assimilation of the parent ability. For example, Hagoromo and Hamura both got parts of Kaguya abilities, namely the Byakugan and the Rinnegan. Tsunade acquired Senju's large reserves of chakra, and Uzumaki's unusual life force. Sarada attained Sasuke's inherent ability and Sakura's chakra control. These are examples that consigned with Kishimoto's entrenched ideology, which continued with Kishimoto originally preference of Boruto's doujutsu. The introduction of Jougan doesn't adhere to what Kishimoto entrenched, seeing as neither Naruto or Hinata possessed the Jougan. We can assume Boruto's doujutsu is a mutation of the Byakugan (NOT from a combination of Uzumaki genes and Hyuga genes as Boruto's Byakugan blood has been the major reference responsible for his Jougan justification) and remained logical. Albeit that would posit his doujutsu is an underlying of the Byakugan for the reason that mutated abilities in the series is most often in a mitigated form. Ergo, Byakugan is superior to the Jougan. The only cases registered to be different is a common scenario where a recipient receives a form of chakra or a combination of secondary genetics. For example Sasuke's Mangekyo sharingan attained a higher form when he received chakra from Hagoromo. Toneri attained the Tenseigan by combining the Byakugan with Otsutsuki chakra (Note the transcedence of the Sharingan to the Mangekyo Sharingan doesn't adhere to this on the grounds that the Sharingan and Mangekyo Sharingan is written within the genetic codes of an Uchiha, and as such, any Uchiha can achieve both variations if the right conditions are met). Boruto Jougan wasn't as a result of him receiving some sort of chakra, or combination with a genetically induced ability underwent after birth, hence giving validation to the description; Jougan makes no sense.

In an attempt to be fair, Jougan making no sense was somewhat inevitable by the virtue it was always going to be difficult adhering with the established notion in the series. Being that this is something the author should have made a passive consideration, it doesn't excuse the consequence of failing to consign with these concepts.

Boruto's fate.

Boruto's fate has been subjected to different interpretations by two major characters. One which comes from Toneri perspective, stating implicitly Boruto ultimate opponents is the Otsutsuki clan. This directly assumes the reason why he aided Boruto to unlock the Jougan. However, the case of battling the Otsutsuki make no sense as per the opening premise of the Manga, which posit Kawaki is going to be his ultimate opponent. Kawaki Otsutsuki gives a much needed reasonable outlook to it, but taking into account members of the Otsutsuki clan remains predisposed to their traditions and have a common doujutsu, the suggestion of Kawaki being an Otsutsuki has no room for substantiation and possibly won't ever. Such is the insensible nature of Toneri's belief, it seems to have affected his deductive reasoning. For example the latest episode seem to indicate Toneri's would have prefer members of the Otsutsuki clan to appear much later, enough for Boruto to master the Jougan. Evidently so, this is because he thinks only Boruto can defeat them, an inference from his mono-reference of Boruto. However, if history as shown anything, it is that Naruto and Sasuke are capable of making quick work of these threats, which they did unironically. Clearly, Toneri needs to revise his interpretations of Boruto's fate and this goes to the writers of the show.
TL: DR

Boruto's Jougan makes no sense, rightly so as he wasn't suppose to have it.

Toneri's view on Boruto's fate makes even less sense.
Agree and agree, I would rep you if I could. Also 1 of the many reasons I dislike Boruto's character.
 

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From the get go, we were introduce to premises that seemed eye-catching and attention-grabbing, which brought in optimism normally unavailable during sequels. However as the premises unfolded, it became clear the authors forsook the state of the story for the appearance. As a result, most of the premises was immersed in the negative tropes of a story, such as Writing by the Seat of Your Pants and Shocking Swerve.

Boruto's Jougan.

The awakening of Boruto's Jougan is a quinessential of Writing by the Seat of Your Pants, such that it was an idea that had no prior planning. According to Ikemoto, Boruto's adult form was created quickly to meet a single purpose; . For that reason, the concepts surrounding Boruto's doujutsu had the symptoms of being incomplete. Rightly so as Kishimoto intended for Boruto to possess the Byakugan, thus the supposition Boruto got the Jougan because of his genetics is erroneous following Kishimoto preference for him to get the Byakugan and the series overarching theme of abilities acquisition. He got it due to the writers intention to add impact into the story. And then, Kishimoto has always maintained the idealogy; an offspring acquisition of an ability is an assimilation of the parent ability. For example, Hagoromo and Hamura both got parts of Kaguya abilities, namely the Byakugan and the Rinnegan. Tsunade acquired Senju's large reserves of chakra, and Uzumaki's unusual life force. Sarada attained Sasuke's inherent ability and Sakura's chakra control. These are examples that consigned with Kishimoto's entrenched ideology, which continued with Kishimoto originally preference of Boruto's doujutsu. The introduction of Jougan doesn't adhere to what Kishimoto entrenched, seeing as neither Naruto or Hinata possessed the Jougan. We can assume Boruto's doujutsu is a mutation of the Byakugan (NOT from a combination of Uzumaki genes and Hyuga genes as Boruto's Byakugan blood has been the major reference responsible for his Jougan justification) and remained logical. Albeit that would posit his doujutsu is an underlying of the Byakugan for the reason that mutated abilities in the series is most often in a mitigated form. Ergo, Byakugan is superior to the Jougan. The only cases registered to be different is a common scenario where a recipient receives a form of chakra or a combination of secondary genetics. For example Sasuke's Mangekyo sharingan attained a higher form when he received chakra from Hagoromo. Toneri attained the Tenseigan by combining the Byakugan with Otsutsuki chakra (Note the transcedence of the Sharingan to the Mangekyo Sharingan doesn't adhere to this on the grounds that the Sharingan and Mangekyo Sharingan is written within the genetic codes of an Uchiha, and as such, any Uchiha can achieve both variations if the right conditions are met). Boruto Jougan wasn't as a result of him receiving some sort of chakra, or combination with a genetically induced ability underwent after birth, hence giving validation to the description; Jougan makes no sense.

In an attempt to be fair, Jougan making no sense was somewhat inevitable by the virtue it was always going to be difficult adhering with the established notion in the series. Being that this is something the author should have made a passive consideration, it doesn't excuse the consequence of failing to consign with these concepts.

Boruto's fate.

Boruto's fate has been subjected to different interpretations by two major characters. One which comes from Toneri perspective, stating implicitly Boruto ultimate opponents is the Otsutsuki clan. This directly assumes the reason why he aided Boruto to unlock the Jougan. However, the case of battling the Otsutsuki make no sense as per the opening premise of the Manga, which posit Kawaki is going to be his ultimate opponent. Kawaki Otsutsuki gives a much needed reasonable outlook to it, but taking into account members of the Otsutsuki clan remains predisposed to their traditions and have a common doujutsu, the suggestion of Kawaki being an Otsutsuki has no room for substantiation and possibly won't ever. Such is the insensible nature of Toneri's belief, it seems to have affected his deductive reasoning. For example the latest episode seem to indicate Toneri's would have prefer members of the Otsutsuki clan to appear much later, enough for Boruto to master the Jougan. Evidently so, this is because he thinks only Boruto can defeat them, an inference from his mono-reference of Boruto. However, if history as shown anything, it is that Naruto and Sasuke are capable of making quick work of these threats, which they did unironically. Clearly, Toneri needs to revise his interpretations of Boruto's fate and this goes to the writers of the show.
Well according to your logic the Sharingan shouldn't make sense because it came from the Rinnegan.
 

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Not really since unlike with the end of Naruto the Byakugan's backstory is absolutely zero compared to the sharringan that now has an origin point for its power.

They can go about it in anyway when explaining Boruto's Jougan with the pieces that Kishi gave them with Kaguya.

Think about it this way:

Why do the Otsutsuki harvest chakra trees anyway? (For Power? Power against what?)
Why would they even risk eating the said tree if it messes with your sanity? (The higher the fruit it seems the more of a chance for you to completely lose it like Kaguya who became a puppet for the 10 tails)
Why did the main branch not act on Kaguya for thousands of years even though apparently they knew?
Why did they eventually begin to move when Boruto awakened his Jougan?
Why did Toneri hasten the awakening of Boruto's eye instead of letting it naturally awaken later on?
Why is Boruto's Jougan only applicable with his right eye?



Pretty much the questions above can all connect with one another in one way or form. The origin of the eye and the founding of the Otsutsuki clan is also free to go in any directions without certain rulings as the Otsutsuki are not even human but aliens from somewhere else.


Why they want power? Why they didn't care about the RinneSharringan but cared about Boruto? What makes the Jougan different and why is it only for a single eye, does it come with another part of the pair?



The whole door swung open when Kishi pushed the Uchiha stuff down our thoughts so much that he had to explain why they were so OP and where it all came from.

He could've just made the Sharringan some clan thing and some clan thing alone but what Part2 built open literally flung open the door for the byakugan to go even beyond as it predates it.


So the problem isn't that the Jougan doesn't make sense since currently it has no backstory.

The problem was that the Rinnegan opened up Pandora's box to and endless possibility to explain the whole reasoning behind Kaguya's decent.
 
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