Boruto's premises, why it doesn't make sense.

[Vulpini]

Nice thread.

 

[Guntah]

Wow...I actually read through that.

I see your point, but I respectfully disagree.

The Jougan was something created on the fly, that's true...but that's not necessarily something bad by default. We still have no idea what it does or where it really came from, whether it was gifted to Boruto or if it awakened on him as a mutation, and if so why that mutation happened. The fact that we do not though does leave a lot of room for possibility open. After all, while normally improvising things with a story like that can be for the worst, it does not mean its doomed for failure from the start. Take Dragon Ball for example. Goku being a Saiyan was obviously a very improvised plot twist. There's nothing hinting at it in the original series, and it really comes the hell out of nowhere, but it really was for the best, as it led the series to places it would have otherwise never gone to and attained it the iconic status we know it to have today.

As for Boruto's fate, I also argue its not set in stone. Kawaki might seem like the final opponent now, but if Part 2 of Naruto started with a flashforward of Pain destroying the Leaf Village, we would've jumped to the conclusion that this was the final battle too, which would be quite misleading. There is still a possibility that the story of Boruto goes past his conflict with Kawaki, and we actually get to see more of the Otsusuki clan later.

 

[Glad Of War]

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I swear you wouldn't have complained if Sarada was in the center of the story, talk about hypocrisy :lol

Anyway, as stated above Jougan's explanation will come in due time, but you have to be patient when it comes to the Boruto series. I'm still trying to understand why to you the Jougan doesn't make sense, I'm sorry but your thread is a mess.

Salty usually cause for character basing and lowballing, neither which I showed.

"Jougan's explanation will come in due time"

I'm glad you agreed it needs an explanation to make sense out of it.

Well according to your logic the Sharingan shouldn't make sense because it came from the Rinnegan.

That's not my logic.

Not really since unlike with the end of Naruto the Byakugan's backstory is absolutely zero compared to the sharringan that now has an origin point for its power.

They can go about it in anyway when explaining Boruto's Jougan with the pieces that Kishi gave them with Kaguya.

Think about it this way:

Why do the Otsutsuki harvest chakra trees anyway? (For Power? Power against what?)
Why would they even risk eating the said tree if it messes with your sanity? (The higher the fruit it seems the more of a chance for you to completely lose it like Kaguya who became a puppet for the 10 tails)
Why did the main branch not act on Kaguya for thousands of years even though apparently they knew?
Why did they eventually begin to move when Boruto awakened his Jougan?
Why did Toneri hasten the awakening of Boruto's eye instead of letting it naturally awaken later on?
Why is Boruto's Jougan only applicable with his right eye?



Pretty much the questions above can all connect with one another in one way or form. The origin of the eye and the founding of the Otsutsuki clan is also free to go in any directions without certain rulings as the Otsutsuki are not even human but aliens from somewhere else.


Why they want power? Why they didn't care about the RinneSharringan but cared about Boruto? What makes the Jougan different and why is it only for a single eye, does it come with another part of the pair?



The whole door swung open when Kishi pushed the Uchiha stuff down our thoughts so much that he had to explain why they were so OP and where it all came from.

He could've just made the Sharringan some clan thing and some clan thing alone but what Part2 built open literally flung open the door for the byakugan to go even beyond as it predates it.


So the problem isn't that the Jougan doesn't make sense since currently it has no backstory.

The problem was that the Rinnegan opened up Pandora's box to and endless possibility to explain the whole reasoning behind Kaguya's decent.

It's not because it has no backstory, which is why it doesn't make sense.

Contrariwise, it doesn't make sense because of the process it was achieved.

 

[kiiro]

You dont think that much. She watch each chapter and knot each one.

 

[Hag0r0m0 0tsutsuki]

I disagree. While it is a new dojutsu much like chino ketsuryugan(butchered I know), boruto’ jougan is more than likely a result of hamura and hagoromo chakra mixing. I have a few reasons for believing this. Among those reason is the one you mentioned. Hagoromo and hamura Both got partial abilities of kaguya. In mixing those two chakras, you recreate some greater than each component. You essentially get kaguya’ chakra. Now the other reason I believe thisbro be true is mentioned on my recent post.

 

[Glad Of War]

Wow...I actually read through that.

I see your point, but I respectfully disagree.

The Jougan was something created on the fly, that's true...but that's not necessarily something bad by default. We still have no idea what it does or where it really came from, whether it was gifted to Boruto or if it awakened on him as a mutation, and if so why that mutation happened. The fact that we do not though does leave a lot of room for possibility open. After all, while normally improvising things with a story like that can be for the worst, it does not mean its doomed for failure from the start. Take Dragon Ball for example. Goku being a Saiyan was obviously a very improvised plot twist. There's nothing hinting at it in the original series, and it really comes the hell out of nowhere, but it really was for the best, as it led the series to places it would have otherwise never gone to and attained it the iconic status we know it to have today.

As for Boruto's fate, I also argue its not set in stone. Kawaki might seem like the final opponent now, but if Part 2 of Naruto started with a flashforward of Pain destroying the Leaf Village, we would've jumped to the conclusion that this was the final battle too, which would be quite misleading. There is still a possibility that the story of Boruto goes past his conflict with Kawaki, and we actually get to see more of the Otsusuki clan later.

Fair enough.

But I would have you know there's a general consensus on the proposition Boruto's Jougan was awakened as a result of Toneri's interference. The proposition suggests Jougan was an inherent ability, genetically inbuilt within Boruto.
It would seem you're not aware of this, or an advocate..?

 

[Reviewing Logic]

It's not because it has no backstory, which is why it doesn't make sense.

Contrariwise, it doesn't make sense because of the process it was achieved.

To which we see that the Otsutuski have a reason or purpose for their space expeditions

and in order for it to revolve around the Narutoverse they need to have a reason as to why the Earth is connected to all of this

it can't be the Rinnegan or anything Hagoromo or Kaguya related as that was just reactionary to the events of the expeditions and their said goals


also having the Otsutsuki know of Earth makes sense since they keep track of all their members and it would be silly if the Otsutsuki were just plaininly ignorant about Kaguya for thousands of years.


We saw that the chakra trees are not exclusive to earth and we also saw that the Main branch put rules in how to acquire those said trees.

Also to report any anomaly but they didn't act until Boruto's eye started happening to which the plot of Earth, Kaguya and the Otsutsuki can all be connected as one.


You can't have that with anyone else because a rinnegan is a dime of a dozen for them and we saw with this last episode that they didn't even care when Kaguya acquired it, let alone make an army to defend it.

Her power grab scenario was just her trying to hoard power that she acquired and to defend herself from an Upper Otsutsuki threat for going against one of the laws.


Plus her sanity was lost when she acquired the 10 tail fruit as the tree slowly took over her mind.


As to how Boruto genetically has this eye and why it is only for one eye and not both is up to SP the plot slate is completely empty and they can explain it by any means without it being a retcon due to the fact that the byakugan and its origins have never been explained.

 

[Jiren]

Yeah doesn't really make sense does it considering all the abilities were watered down from kaguya who never had the Jougan. It appeared out of nowhere honestly and genetics don't seem like a reasonable explanation here

 

[123fire]

I kinda disagree. his eye is a mutation of naruto's kyuubi and hinata's bayakugan

 

[Guntah]

Fair enough.

But I would have you know there's a general consensus on the proposition Boruto's Jougan was awakened as a result of Toneri's interference. The proposition suggests Jougan was an inherent ability, genetically inbuilt within Boruto.
It would seem you're not aware of this, or an advocate..?

Well, I know about it, but to my knowledge nothing of the sort has been confirmed yet, so I wouldn't advocate it as factual.

But I agree with it, especially because it kind of happened already. Pretty much the same thing went down with Naruto and Sasuke, I believe. Naruto had nine Bijuu's chakra in him, while Sasuke had Hashirama's chakra, an EMS and was Indra's incarnate. Hagoromo gifted them his own chakra, and that triggered Sasuke to get his Rinnegan and Naruto to achieve RSM.

 

[Glad Of War]

To which we see that the Otsutuski have a reason or purpose for their space expeditions

and in order for it to revolve around the Narutoverse they need to have a reason as to why the Earth is connected to all of this

it can't be the Rinnegan or anything Hagoromo or Kaguya related as that was just reactionary to the events of the expeditions and their said goals


also having the Otsutsuki know of Earth makes sense since they keep track of all their members and it would be silly if the Otsutsuki were just plaininly ignorant about Kaguya for thousands of years.


We saw that the chakra trees are not exclusive to earth and we also saw that the Main branch put rules in how to acquire those said trees.

Also to report any anomaly but they didn't act until Boruto's eye started happening to which the plot of Earth, Kaguya and the Otsutsuki can all be connected as one.


You can't have that with anyone else because a rinnegan is a dime of a dozen for them and we saw with this last episode that they didn't even care when Kaguya acquired it, let alone make an army to defend it.

Her power grab scenario was just her trying to hoard power that she acquired and to defend herself from an Upper Otsutsuki threat for going against one of the laws.


Plus her sanity was lost when she acquired the 10 tail fruit as the tree slowly took over her mind.


As to how Boruto genetically has this eye and why it is only for one eye and not both is up to SP the plot slate is completely empty and they can explain it by any means without it being a retcon due to the fact that the byakugan and its origins have never been explained.

Ad verbosium..

 

[Glad Of War]

Well, I know about it, but to my knowledge nothing of the sort has been confirmed yet, so I wouldn't advocate it as factual.

But I agree with it, especially because it kind of happened already. Pretty much the same thing went down with Naruto and Sasuke, I believe. Naruto had nine Bijuu's chakra in him, while Sasuke had Hashirama's chakra, an EMS and was Indra's incarnate. Hagoromo gifted them his own chakra, and that triggered Sasuke to get his Rinnegan and Naruto to achieve RSM.

I'm supposing you are saying Boruto unlocked the doujutsu jougan after receiving some sort of chakra, but that would remove the suggestion he unlocked it unaidedly